Fwck gun control

[cbr6fs]

if a person ( kid or adullt ) wants to get thier hands on a gun....like the ones we are taling about.....doing hanus crimes.....
they will

there is nothing we can do that will prevent it.
they will plan, and scheme, untill they know where you keep the key, or untill
they get enough cash to buy one from a gangbanger.

Travel to England or Europe and try to buy a semi automatic assault rifle, then come back and tell me that again.

If tight control is put on guns then it eventually becomes EXTREMELY difficult for criminals never mind shy kids to buy guns.

Even then they're often converted single shot guns.

did you watch the video dkf posted....in its entirety?
if not, watch it...listen to every word she has to say.....
take notice when she speaks of the reason for the 2nd amendment....high capacity clips...ect.

lots of underatnding and trueth in her words.

I've watched it many times, as it's always the "go to" when i talk about US gun laws with mates.

It's madness to think that any civilian on the street has the capacity to shoot someone, or has the foresight to check for backstops, civilians behind the shooter schools kids etc.

I've seen with my own eyes hard as nails trained soldiers unable to return fire.
Pointing a gun at someone with the intention of killing them is an extremely difficult thing.

Doing so while also evaluating risks and checking where your shots might go is monumentally difficult.

If she'd have had her gun then i'd put money on it that all that would have been is more ammunition and a extra gun for George Hennard.

Besides having firearms close at hand did absolutely NOTHING for the victims of the Fort Hood massacre did it.

 

[ghtpdm5]

that's the terrible thing about blanket labeling a weapon as the cause of the crime. mental illness is a bitch, and even more of a bitch to unravel and diagnose properly. took test after test to get myself nailed down, and took a couple months for me to accept that guns are a no-go for me. policing yourself, your family, and your friends are the biggest factors in gun control, and they are so often ignored in all the high level debates that go into gun control acts.

prevention of mental health problems is a pretty far off concept. brain scans, personality tests, etc all help in that, but its a damn long project to complete. you're not going to prevent the issue, there is only symptom recognition and treatment.

there is no foreseeable solution to treating people with mental health issues completely. to treat one person completely is very difficult, treating a population is near impossible. the biggest part is your friends and family, mine would pretty much drag me out of the house when i went into depressed or full on hermit mode, my family (my mother in particular, who i still live with, mock that if you want, but she's pulled many irons out of many mental fires for me) would start asking about it, and when they got really worried, the police where called in. was i happy about it then, no. hell no. did it help me recognize that i have problems, yes, and looking back it was for the better.

 

[rock hard]

Travel to England or Europe and try to buy a semi automatic assault rifle, then come back and tell me that again.

If tight control is put on guns then it eventually becomes EXTREMELY difficult for criminals never mind shy kids to buy guns.

Even then they're often converted single shot guns.




I've watched it many times, as it's always the "go to" when i talk about US gun laws with mates.

It's madness to think that any civilian on the street has the capacity to shoot someone, or has the foresight to check for backstops, civilians behind the shooter schools kids etc.

I've seen with my own eyes hard as nails trained soldiers unable to return fire.
Pointing a gun at someone with the intention of killing them is an extremely difficult thing.

Doing so while also evaluating risks and checking where your shots might go is monumentally difficult.

If she'd have had her gun then i'd put money on it that all that would have been is more ammunition and a extra gun for George Hennard.

Besides having firearms close at hand did absolutely NOTHING for the victims of the Fort Hood massacre did it.

they didint have guns on the base:roll: the shooter knew that on the way in the buiding.
regulare troops on fort hood dont carry. They was like sitting ducks.

and it doesnt6 take a geniouse to shoot a intruder/attacker
it happens all the time here is the good old USofA

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

if some one breaks into your garage, and steals your car, and drives away and kills somneone//// your a poor car owner.

if your kid sneals off in your car in the middle of the night..
then your a piss poor parent....
you should have locked uop your keys.

The difference is my car, while it is certainly capable of being used in such a manner, is not designed and built with the sole purpose of killing.

Having it in the garage and locked up is a perfectly reasonable and responsible way to secure it.

Leaving it in the street with the keys in it is wholly irresponsible, just as leaving a gun hanging on the wall or laying on the table is. That is not at all a reasonable way to secure something deadly.

 

[cbr6fs]

that's the terrible thing about blanket labeling a weapon as the cause of the crime.

I've not read anyone insinuating the gun was the cause of the crime.

I'm saying that if semi automatic weapons were not in the house and other guns were locked in a gun safe there is a good chance more kids would have got to go home that night.

There's a good chance there still would have been a tragedy, but as shit days go 2 dead kids instead or 20 is the better option.

 

[4x4Ric]

 

[cbr6fs]

they didint have guns on the base:roll: the shooter knew that on the way in the buiding.
regulare troops on fort hood dont carry. They was like sitting ducks.

and it doesnt6 take a geniouse to shoot a intruder/attacker
it happens all the time here is the good old USofA

Question

Would you support a law to have all guns locked in a safe when not in use at home if it was likely to reduce this kind of thing happening again by even 1%?

Whats so bad about not having semi automatic assault rifles at home?
What's so bad about having guns and ammunition locked up in a gun safe?

 

[dkf]

My point is, if semi automatic multi bullet weapons are around in the general public this sort of tragedy is going to happen again and again and again.
If this person hadn't had access to semi automatic big mag weapons then the more kids would have been home to their parents that night.

Or he could of backed a pickup full of a home made fertilizer bomb up to the school and leveled everything within a a 100'+ radius. (then we can use Dudes example and blame the owner of the stolen truck he used and the nursery he stole the fertilizer from, LOL)

Or he could have chained the door and set the building on fire. (then we can blame the company that made the chain and the matches)

And as for ARs not being good for hunting. LOL you are clueless. Stay in Europe please."thumbsup"

Who is "small minded" now.

 

[cuzican]

as a law abiding firearms enthusiast i want to point out, the mall was private property and had a no firearms sign posted. the CHL holder was also in the wrong and illegally carried a firearm where he should not have. one of those things you learn in a CHL class.

the shooter was also said to have discharged up to 30 rounds. he was either a terrible shot or after a specific person.

IMHO, everyone should take a firearms class such as the one needed before submitting for a CHL.

I was not aware that the mall had a no firearm sign posted, but you don't need to inform me of the laws associated with carrying a concealed weapon. I have my permit, and am aware of the laws, and have proper training, and most importantly I practice practice practice!!

Anyway, the point of my story boils down to....more properly educated and practiced citizens carrying firearms equals fewer people successfully mowing down 20+ people before being stopped.

As a CCW holder, I refuse to visit places of business with a No Firearms sign on the door.
If I can't protect myself and my family in your place of business, then you have no products or service that I can't find elsewhere.

 

[cbr6fs]

I say again.

Travel to Europe and try to buy a semi automatic assault rifle on the black market.

 

[ghtpdm5]

i see from time to time semi automatics blanketed under this, particularly the "black rifle" argument against assault style weapons. talking in broader terms here, the "black rifle" anti's will immediately latch onto the fact it was an assault style weapon used in the attack if one was used.

while i personally don't see the point in owning an assault style weapon myself, but i recognize that some people really like building, shooting, and generally tinkering with them. to each their own there.

 

[rock hard]

The difference is my car, while it is certainly capable of being used in such a manner, is not designed and built with the sole purpose of killing.

Having it in the garage and locked up is a perfectly reasonable and responsible way to secure it.

Leaving it in the street with the keys in it is wholly irresponsible, just as leaving a gun hanging on the wall or laying on the table is. That is not at all a reasonable way to secure something deadly.

Bill clintons justice department numbers ( under janet reno )
guns are used to protect life and property 6,800 times a day

You must speak and act on what you know and understand..
I have been around guns all my life, my son has had guns around him all
his life. That will not change, especially by the words or opinions of another.

If my son was autistic, or challenged likewise....ouors would be a different house ( we have an autistic in our family )
when she comes over.....EVERY THING can be dangerouse..
she requires constant attention....and even a fork/pen could be bad.

But in my house, guns are a daily accourance. we shoot targets, hunt deer on our land.

we have the need for close access to weapons for protection of our stock
we have no law enforcment in out town, county law is always at least 10 min away, and tell us thenmself....dog on property....shot it.

plus guns are fun....my son can take his shotgun, or rifle or bow out back just about any time he wants ( so long as he isnt grounded )

you rais yourr the way you see fit, I likewise will raise mine the way I see fit.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

while i personally don't see the point in owning an assault style weapon myself, but i recognize that some people really like building, shooting, and generally tinkering with them. to each their own there.

I feel the same way. I personally have no need or desire to own that style of weapon, but they are as cool as hell.

 

[cbr6fs]

Or he could of backed a pickup full of a home made fertilizer bomb up to the school and leveled everything within a a 100'+ radius. (then we can use Dudes example and blame the owner of the stolen truck he used and the nursery he stole the fertilizer from, LOL)

Or he could have chained the door and set the building on fire. (then we can blame the company that made the chain and the matches)

And as for ARs not being good for hunting. LOL you are clueless. Stay in Europe please."thumbsup"

Who is "small minded" now.

Come on.
We are having a reasonable chat here between what i thought were reasonable adults.

Even the most staunch gun supporter can see that if guns are locked away many of these tragedy's would be prevented in the future.

No matter what CSI you've been watching says making a fert bomb is extremely difficult as is getting hold of the supplies.

If my kids in a school thats about to be attacked by this kid i'd happily take my chances with fire as opposed to a semi automatic assault rifle, as i'm sure any sane person would.

 

[4x4Ric]

As a CCW holder, I refuse to visit places of business with a No Firearms sign on the door.
If I can't protect myself and my family in your place of business, then you have no products or service that I can't find elsewhere.

Hell Yea "thumbsup"

 

[rock hard]

Question

Would you support a law to have all guns locked in a safe when not in use at home if it was likely to reduce this kind of thing happening again by even 1%?

Whats so bad about not having semi automatic assault rifles at home?
What's so bad about having guns and ammunition locked up in a gun safe?

NO

I would not support any ban....of any weaon, caliber or capacity clip

I would support siffer background checks and
longer wiat times...as nether of these should bother a honest person IMO.

IMO its never proper to limit the rights of the honest, to prevent crime.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

If my son was autistic, or challenged likewise....ouors would be a different house ( we have an autistic in our family )
when she comes over.....EVERY THING can be dangerouse..
she requires constant attention....and even a fork/pen could be bad.

But in my house, guns are a daily accourance. we shoot targets, hunt deer on our land.

we have the need for close access to weapons for protection of our stock
we have no law enforcment in out town, county law is always at least 10 min away, and tell us thenmself....dog on property....shot it.

plus guns are fun....my son can take his shotgun, or rifle or bow out back just about any time he wants ( so long as he isnt grounded )

you rais yourr the way you see fit, I likewise will raise mine the way I see fit.

I have absolutely no problem with your kid having access to and shooting guns so long as he has been trained and is well aware of what they are capable of, which it sounds like he is. I have a problem with the chance of someone who isn't trained or capable having that same access.

Say someone comes into your house when you aren't there, takes those guns you've got laying around, and robs/kills someone you know, or maybe they even hang around and wait for you to come home.

 

[rock hard]

Come on.
We are having a reasonable chat here between what i thought were reasonable adults.

Even the most staunch gun supporter can see that if guns are locked away many of these tragedy's would be prevented in the future.

No matter what CSI you've been watching says making a fert bomb is extremely difficult as is getting hold of the supplies.

If my kids in a school thats about to be attacked by this kid i'd happily take my chances with fire as opposed to a semi automatic assault rifle, as i'm sure any sane person would.

I was sshooting grade on a job in denton tx they day the bomb went of in OK. I felt the ground shake under my feet.
it was about an hr later when we herd the news, that we realized what we felt that day......
its a real threat, its not hard, and if one means for a killer is to difficult to aquire, they will find another source for thier distruction.

Its a vilide remark, dont diregard.

 

[cbr6fs]

NO

I would not support any ban....of any weaon, caliber or capacity clip

I would support siffer background checks and
longer wiat times...as nether of these should bother a honest person IMO.

IMO its never proper to limit the rights of the honest, to prevent crime.

Mate I never mentioned anything about banning anything.

My question was about gun being locked in gun safes when at home.


Quick question though, do you support legalising ALL weapons, AAA, fully automatic, grenade launchers etc?

 

[4x4Ric]

I say again.

Travel to Europe and try to buy a semi automatic assault rifle on the black market.

I do NOT live in Europe, so I dont care what their laws are, and I dont plan on EVER even visiting