Apple vs FBI

[djjiz]

Sorry. Carrier unlock without permission is illegal.
Jailbreaking is only frowned on.
Is It Illegal To Root Your Android or Jailbreak Your iPhone?

Had a Best Buy and At&t employee refuse to literally hold a phone because it was jailbroken and another AT&T store wouldn't give 1 back and had to manually remove it from his hands. Wish i could remember more. Sorry for any misinformation

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

That's why jailbreaking and rooting is considered illegal. We don't own the software maybe? I'll look into it again. Haven't messed with phones in 10 months so facts are foggy.

Depends on what it says in the contract you agreed to when you activated the phone.

Apples owns their software, whereas Android is Linux based and therefor open sourced.

 

[djjiz]

Depends on what it says in the contract you agreed to when you activated the phone.

Apples owns their software, whereas Android is Linux based and therefor open sourced.

Nexus says it's ok to root but Samsung and LG for sure frown on it.

 

[WHITE-TRASH]

As soon as you bend your stance a bit in a way that benefits the .gov they will expect you to do it whenever they feel froggy in the future. I applaud apple for their stance.

 

[Chiphead]

As soon as you bend your stance a bit in a way that benefits the .gov they will expect you to do it whenever they feel froggy in the future. I applaud apple for their stance.

Chalk this up... one time I totally agree with WT. ;-)

 

[C*H*U*D]

They destroyed both of their personal phones. If there really was anything on this phone, don't you think it would have been destroyed as well?

Either way, I'm with Apple on this one. Doing this for the government would set a precedent that our goofball leaders are incapable of sorting out in the future. Best to not let them have more power than they can handle.

 

[djjiz]

Isn't dudes phone in the feds hands?

 

[WHITE-TRASH]

Best to not let them have more power than they can handle.

Little late for that don't ya think?


I wouldn't trust most elected officials to be crossing gaurds.

 

[binaryterror]

Apple has given the FBI everything that they have in their servers for the phones in question. As has the carrier of the phone. So they have all stored cloud data, incoming and outgoing calls and messages, texting.

When the FBI has requested data that’s in our possession, we have provided it. Apple complies with valid subpoenas and search warrants, as we have in the San Bernardino case. We have also made Apple engineers available to advise the FBI, and we’ve offered our best ideas on a number of investigative options at their disposal.

The Phone itself is what they want into.

 

[RANOVRU]

It's ironic how some on here choose to see govt on different issues. A high court official kills over during an election year and there's no reason not to believe the govt but god forbid they want to touch your iphone, now their the bad guy and can't be trusted.


I saw a pole on the news this morning that said something like 2/3's of Americans think that apple should cooperate and I tend to agree, but to each their own.


I think apple's actually kind of lucky. Had an agency such as the CIA been involved in this there would've been no asking for help, a couple of top guys from the valley would've just gone missing week's ago.

 

[hpiguy]

It's ironic how some on here choose to see govt on different issues. A high court official kills over during an election year and there's no reason not to believe the govt but god forbid they want to touch your iphone, now their the bad guy and can't be trusted.

Gotta save those tin foil rations for whatever emotional hot button issue they choose to get motivated about, can't be squandering them needlessly.

 

[binaryterror]

I think apple's actually kind of lucky. Had an agency such as the CIA been involved in this there would've been no asking for help, a couple of top guys from the valley would've just gone missing week's ago.

A couple guys aren't going to be able to completely rebuild the entire iOS operating system with removed encryption and a back door. You'd need to make over a hundred go missing to even have this completed in a year.

And then at that point the CIA could be sued for illegal engineering of an operating system using a closed system. This isn't wide open like Linux and Android. This is a private closed system that Apple owns all property and copyrights of.

 

[Highmark]

They destroyed both of their personal phones. If there really was anything on this phone, don't you think it would have been destroyed as well?

Either way, I'm with Apple on this one. Doing this for the government would set a precedent that our goofball leaders are incapable of sorting out in the future. Best to not let them have more power than they can handle.

Yup - I think this phone is property of the department of health if I remember correctly.

 

[Highmark]

A couple guys aren't going to be able to completely rebuild the entire iOS operating system with removed encryption and a back door. You'd need to make over a hundred go missing to even have this completed in a year.

And then at that point the CIA could be sued for illegal engineering of an operating system using a closed system. This isn't wide open like Linux and Android. This is a private closed system that Apple owns all property and copyrights of.

Plus Apples iOS's are bounced up against yet another key to verify that they're legitimate that only they have. I'd be willing to bet very few people would have access to those files.

 

[NoobCrawler]

Actually, I just read that they aren't asking Apple to crack the phone, they're asking for a whole new iOS without the encryption that they can run as an update on that phone. That's even worse.

Ahh, yeah...that's no bueno. They should focus on that phone & that phone only.
There's no reason to mess with everyone else's phone.

1. Apple themselves aren't sure they can even do it. It has never been done before.

2. If they can, and do what you said above, all the FBI has to do is give it to their own hackers to see how Apple got in, and once they do, they'll have unrestricted access to the roughly 1 billion iOS devices on the planet.

Apple has a bunch of smart people, I'm sure they can figure out how to handle prying eyes with this situation.


Then again, as someone else mentioned, they smashed two phones prior to. So there may be nothing worth value on this phone. But if they got this phone off his person, it may just may have been forgotten about.

 

[C*H*U*D]

Yup - I think this phone is property of the department of health if I remember correctly.

Good thing they didn't do anything to that phone then. You can get in a lot of trouble for destroying government property.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

It's ironic how some on here choose to see govt on different issues. A high court official kills over during an election year and there's no reason not to believe the govt but god forbid they want to touch your iphone, now their the bad guy and can't be trusted.

Different situations, different implications.

Scalias death (by foul play or no) isn't nearly as far reaching or potentially intrusive as Apple hacking into their own phones.

 

[Robbob]

Different situations, different implications.

Scalias death (by foul play or no) isn't nearly as far reaching or potentially intrusive as Apple hacking into their own phones.

No but his vote matters on A Lot more things then just a phone.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

No but his vote matters on A Lot more things then just a phone.

Yes, but the Apple thing will potentially effect the security and privacy of one billion devices world wide.

 

[RANOVRU]

In the hypothetical scenario of a supreme court justice being murdered versus a billion people getting spammed porn, or having their porn advertised, I'm pretty sure I'm more interested in the judge.

To take it a step further (hypothetically), maybe the iphone nonsense is supposed to be taking attention away from the judges death. Naw, that's too tin foilish. Your smartphone is the most important thing in the world, duh.


There's no certainty that if the FBI gets what they want that the world will end for apple nut huggers, but you sure do love that side of the spectrum Duuuuude.


That 'Taco' guy on the first page may have come off a bit nutty but a lot of what he said about lack of privacy nowadays is spot on. Any one of the alphabet agencies can see what you doing on, and what's on your phone/computer at any given time. You can argue about whether or not it's "right" but it really doesn't matter, it still happens.