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Who lifts?
- Thread starter cheapjeep2
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I lifted all the time in college. I took suppliments too. I found that after I quit lifting I lost what I had gained quicker than if I had'nt ben taking them.
FrankyRizzo
I wanna be Dave
Double J
I wanna be Dave
my $.02
I'd agree with Dirk on this. If you looking to just bulk up, up your diet enough to just feed the mucles needs. Maybe add powdered egg whites for added protien and callories.
One time I'd think about using sups is if I was going to compete in body building.
You will see slower results and you'll hit a point to not seeing additional muscle for a while. Keep at it and maybe up your diet alittle more to help get over the hump (so to speak). In the long run your body will binifit from the "natural" muscle gain. The muscle will also last longer when you quite working out. Because it was a natural muscle gain and not enhanced by sups.
The muscle gets bigger because it Rips and repairs itself. If you do this to quickly it won't repair the 1st rip all the way and will move to a New rip and the cycle will continue. When you quite working out the muscle that didn't repair will deteriorate(sp) more rapidly than the onese that had a full repair. This is also why you'll hit the "hump", because the muscles are taking longer to heel or repair while still working on previous muscle tissue.
If you want to get big and have good muscle tone. Heavy work out one week. a light or tone work out the next week. It may take twice as long to get to the "big" point you want to be at but it's well worth it.
**references: My brother is a Personal Trainer in San Dieago when not at his full time job in the Coast guard.
We bolth lifted in high school and throught the 90's (1998 ) I was more into being toned he was more mass based. He used sups to gain mass for football then in 92 quite working out for a year and it all went strait to the the waist line. he still had guns but he appeared bloted. He's never used it again. and You can see the difference.
I'd agree with Dirk on this. If you looking to just bulk up, up your diet enough to just feed the mucles needs. Maybe add powdered egg whites for added protien and callories.
One time I'd think about using sups is if I was going to compete in body building.
You will see slower results and you'll hit a point to not seeing additional muscle for a while. Keep at it and maybe up your diet alittle more to help get over the hump (so to speak). In the long run your body will binifit from the "natural" muscle gain. The muscle will also last longer when you quite working out. Because it was a natural muscle gain and not enhanced by sups.
The muscle gets bigger because it Rips and repairs itself. If you do this to quickly it won't repair the 1st rip all the way and will move to a New rip and the cycle will continue. When you quite working out the muscle that didn't repair will deteriorate(sp) more rapidly than the onese that had a full repair. This is also why you'll hit the "hump", because the muscles are taking longer to heel or repair while still working on previous muscle tissue.
If you want to get big and have good muscle tone. Heavy work out one week. a light or tone work out the next week. It may take twice as long to get to the "big" point you want to be at but it's well worth it.
**references: My brother is a Personal Trainer in San Dieago when not at his full time job in the Coast guard.
We bolth lifted in high school and throught the 90's (1998 ) I was more into being toned he was more mass based. He used sups to gain mass for football then in 92 quite working out for a year and it all went strait to the the waist line. he still had guns but he appeared bloted. He's never used it again. and You can see the difference.
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Just Find Out What "doggcrapp" Is And Do It....trust Me
http://www.thepumpingstation.com/doggcrapp.html
http://dc-training.blogspot.com/
Do it word for word and you won't be sorry.
http://www.thepumpingstation.com/doggcrapp.html
http://dc-training.blogspot.com/
Do it word for word and you won't be sorry.
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NoodleSpank
Rock Stacker
Are you working out alone...or with someone else, your current state of shape. Being up around this age(I'm one of them) what worked best for me anyway was a steady routine and trying to keep the diet reasonably under control.
Alot of the suppliments are pretty much what Dirk said earlier..........but for me I found that I wasen't as blasted the next day and this was a protien shake after a workout. I use an (Isolate) which is alittle more expensive but its not as heavy as a concentrate. The biggest thing for me though and I don't know if you have the same problem is getting enough SLEEP. Good luck!
Alot of the suppliments are pretty much what Dirk said earlier..........but for me I found that I wasen't as blasted the next day and this was a protien shake after a workout. I use an (Isolate) which is alittle more expensive but its not as heavy as a concentrate. The biggest thing for me though and I don't know if you have the same problem is getting enough SLEEP. Good luck!
DC training works well for some, I am running a Bill Starr type 5x5 right now and my strength goes up every week. The key is sleep, eat, lift, eat, and some more eating. I take ON whey for extra protein, and nothing more. I dont want any chemicals controlling my body that I dont naturally produce.
http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/5x5_Program/Linear_5x5.htm
I focus on just the big lifts (squat, deadlift, bench, row, OHP, pullup) and supplement with extra core work and ancillary work for tris and lats this month. If I cant bump up 5 pounds a week in everthing then I am not sleeping, eating, or lifting right. It isnt rocket science. Got a new personal record on deadlift of 225, not much to most people but it is 1.6 times my bodyweight and Im still a relative newbie to lifting.
http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/5x5_Program/Linear_5x5.htm
I focus on just the big lifts (squat, deadlift, bench, row, OHP, pullup) and supplement with extra core work and ancillary work for tris and lats this month. If I cant bump up 5 pounds a week in everthing then I am not sleeping, eating, or lifting right. It isnt rocket science. Got a new personal record on deadlift of 225, not much to most people but it is 1.6 times my bodyweight and Im still a relative newbie to lifting.
The 5x5 has been aorund for a long time. I even changed that part off DoggCrapp for Squats and Deadlifts to 5x5.
I can say that my strength has increased like gangbusters since switching from 3x8 (8x3 if you are russian) to the 5x5. I use a linear style routine and pyramid all my weights to the maximal last work set. Im eating 3000 to 3500 cals a day with 200grm protein, but Im still not gaining much weight. Ive always been skinny and a hard gainer, but all I really care about is the strength. Im hoping to bench 225x1 at a bw of 150 by the end of the year, and get one arm pullups within two years. Today is pull day. I love pull day. I get to see if I can do three pullups with 30lbs strapped to me today. Should be no problem.
pullups (5 sets of 3)
deadlift
row
core
rotator cuff
sometimes I do bi work, but rarely.
pullups (5 sets of 3)
deadlift
row
core
rotator cuff
sometimes I do bi work, but rarely.
Up your Protein and Calories. You should be taken in atleast 300g and 5000 Calories. Your strength will shot up aswell if you do. I have always gained really easy but always got stuck around the 200lbs weight mark. I have now been off for over a year and slower gaining it back. But I dropped down to 160lbs in 1.5yr...No matter how you gain it you lose it fast. It's the fact the longer you have it the longer you can hold on to it. Your body will always want to go back to it's natural state.
Double J
I wanna be Dave
This has made me curious as to what everyones "max" lifts are for like bench, squat and so on?
Maybe see a differnce in the sup users and natural users. Also under stand that some may not be "on their current game" because they haven't lifted in almost 10 years.
Maybe see a differnce in the sup users and natural users. Also under stand that some may not be "on their current game" because they haven't lifted in almost 10 years.
Crawler Noob
Quarry Creeper
all the kids at school (footballers) can bench like 400lb, where as i can do about 200. so you guys are saying to lift more weight with less reps to gain more mass, but do less weight and more reps to tone it all up?
ima start doing the hard work out, then the tone, and see if that helps.
ima start doing the hard work out, then the tone, and see if that helps.
my max bench is 325lbs.
i am 35 and i dont use protien supplements. i take a multi-vitamin every day and 3000mg of cherry extract a day (for gout :-( ) and i just eat healthy. genetics do play a role for me... i am more stocky, i bulk up easy, and keep the muscle longer (if i stop working out for a while).
i tend to agree with most of the posters here. you are better off to just lift correctly, eat healthy, and get enough rest.
cheapjeep2
Rock Crawler
Well I decided to just boost my protein intake a bit but not over do it. This is what I went with..
http://www17.netrition.com/designer_page.html
http://www17.netrition.com/designer_page.html
I also agree with most things posted. I have done everything from College sports, SORT Training and MMA fighting. I have been trained and trained many different ways. Eating, Sleeping and Eating are still and always have been the bread and butter to gain. Oh ever. To get that little edge on the Comp. Supplemts are a must for most. I have never been over 200lbs. But I have also never maxxed out. Maxxing out isn't that good for. At my best 2yrs ago. I was warming up with 225 and did 325 for 2 rep on Bench. I boxed Squated over 550lbs for 4 reps. That Box squats not half *** 1/4 drop squats. I belive *** in the grass squats as long as your knees are up to it. The main thing to gain weight and strength is the Main exercises. Squats, Deadlifts, Bench and Rows. Guys always say I don't want to get big, b/c I want to be able to still move. Thats not all Ture. If you strech it won't be an issue. Like I have posted above this was 1st in my life for over 5 years. But as many know and have found out. Life and Family get in the way as you get older. I'm not even that old. Only 27... In my line of work you have to be fit to win. I have let myself go and this thread here is getting me to start thinking. As some don't like....I'll still use the right supplements and always will...the 5x5 and DoggCrapp are the some of the best size and strength programs out there. The DC one is a little more involved, but is worth it. One more tip KEEP A LOG BOOK..."thumbsup" Oh One more...Don't weigh yourself everyday. Only weigh in every other week. Weighing in everyday is a big mind game and can screw with you.
A couple of years ago them and Weider got in trouble for using filler... Just a heads up. You might not be getting what the bottle says... What is your weight goal? What do you want to weigh?
cheapjeep2
Rock Crawler
Thanks for all the input, and yes I build fast. I'm a big guy, 6'3" very long arms and brod shoulders, currently weigh in a 250 but don't look fat due to the size of my frame.
But what weight do you want? You would need atleast 250g of Protein to maintain what you have, and to grow you need to take in 1.5g per weight or even 2 times oer weight. Depending how much you can take in.
Double J
I wanna be Dave
Cheapjeep2-You never really gave a specific goal as to where and what you wanted to be? That may help others point you into a specific direction and lifting rutien.
r2j- In highschool football they would make us Maxx out at least once a month. If not for anything else but for stats that the other team would see.
I haven't maxed out since then and probably couldn't do as much.
But 310 bench. 565 squat but have done 610 unofficially?(I agree with your halfA** comment about squats)
I was also the skinniest player 6'1" and only 165 pounds. But they'd bump my weight to 195 in the programs.
r2j- In highschool football they would make us Maxx out at least once a month. If not for anything else but for stats that the other team would see.
I haven't maxed out since then and probably couldn't do as much.
But 310 bench. 565 squat but have done 610 unofficially?(I agree with your halfA** comment about squats)
I was also the skinniest player 6'1" and only 165 pounds. But they'd bump my weight to 195 in the programs.
Theyy did that with me two..Being a corner back I was always small, but fast...Thats what got me a full ride to college..
