JeremyH
I wanna be Dave
Awesome!
And yeah, I agree with the rest of what you said.....which is the reason for the questions. "thumbsup"
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2013 Rules
- Thread starter Fishmaxx
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Awesome!
And yeah, I agree with the rest of what you said.....which is the reason for the questions. "thumbsup"
ROWDY RACING
I wanna be Dave
It has been addressed, just awaiting final wording. "thumbsup"
josh6575
RCC Addict
What is 2x measurements greater than 1". This would nice if it would be clarified in a measurement of area such as square inches . I want to make sure my body panels are more than legal and am confused with the current description.
Go back and read the rule again. It says you need 3.5 square inches of area and the 2x means you need 2 spots that measures 1 inch or more. hope that helps.
HARDKNOCKZ
Its a HARDKNOCKZ Life...
This is currently on the RC floor & we're working through it guys.
There are a LOT of gray areas that too many people are willing to play in so things are being addressed as quickly as possible. It's these kinds of questions that keep the rules committee working to make every event run smooth without temple scratching & conflict...so keep em coming "thumbsup"
J.D.
josh6575
RCC Addict
ROWDY RACING
I wanna be Dave
As long as the 3rd side is long enough for it to be 3.5 si then yes.
josh6575
RCC Addict
With a triangle making the third side longer decreases the si of the shape. Make it long enough and it will just be a line = 0 si
So anyway is it 3.5 square inches per panel then.
JeremyH
I wanna be Dave
Surface Area of 3.5 square inches AND you must be able to stick a ruler on there two ways and get a measurement of 1"...and yes, that is per panel.
No, it was the person replying in post #260 that confused the terms used in my question.
To me bonus points are bonus point no matter if they come from progress bonus or bonus gates...
Here's where the rules become grey...
- The designation "alternate" implies that they are to be used instead of the primary gates. ("Bonus gates" are to be taken in addition to the primary (or alternate) gates.)
- Rule 4.10.4 says the alternate gates must be taken in the designated order.
To me it would be natural to have alternate gates designated as the "B" versions of primary gates. So instead of taking gate number 2 you can opt for gate 2B.
Here's also a grey area. The cause for penalty and progress is the very same: Gate cleared (as per rule 7.2.1).
BUT rule 1.10 clearly states that "All gate penalties are assessed and given before a progress bonus is awarded." So the penalty points are given first, pushing the total to (or above) 40.
It's not crystal clear whether the progress bonus for that gate then is to be awarded AFTER the penalties hit 40...
I've also asked this question. One can for example argue that a 7" by 0.5" rectangle has two sides greater than 1"...
EvilTwin v2
I wanna be Dave
The person in post 260 was right. You are wrong. You are confusing the terms "progress bonus" with "bonus gates". Points from bonus gates are only awarded if the driver completes the course. This is made quite clear in Rule section 4.9, particularly 4.9.2. Bonus gates are purely an optional part of a course and are not required. Please go back and read section 4.9 and not just the sections of the rules you choose to quote. In fact to back read the entire rules and quit trying to make it suit your own wants.
That would work, 3.5 sq. area. But it won't mount to the rig very well and look like hell.:ror:
Isn't that wording a little flakey? I mean if the 7 x 1/2 panel is legal, then what 3.5 sq in panel wouldn't be legal? How could you not be able to find two 1" lengths somewhere on any panel? I always thought the intent was that the two 1" measurements should be at right-angle to each other...although it doesn't say that. I thought maybe an oversight.
I beg to differ about the confusion here.
I'm new to this sport and trying to get to grips with the basics first. Therefore I naturally try to skip the "optional" rules (like 4.9 and 4.10) in my reading, concentrating on the basic rules.
In post 259 I use the term "bonus points" exclusively in the context of progress BONUS points, as per rule 1.10. No confusion on my part!
It never occured to me that there might also be some other type of bonus points available, as became clear when somebody tried to give an answer to the interpretation of bonus gates (optional rule 4.9)...
The rules' use of the word "bonus" both regarding progress points and additional points from optional gates covered by different rules is what cause confusion. (At least to new readers not aware of how the rules have developed over time.)
BC-Brian
RCC Addict
Hey Guys,
I have a straddle question based on the new 2013 rules.
An interesting gate progress that lends the question to is it progress? 2013 ruling on straddles has changed. Driver straddles right gate without hitting it. then comes back within the gate, hits the left gate and then makes clean progress through the uprights. There is definitely a gate penalty for the left gate but is it 20 penalty points for both gates?
Check out the video footage. Interested to know how we should have called this. In the heat of the moment we called it a single gate penalty + progress.
Video Footage
I have a straddle question based on the new 2013 rules.
An interesting gate progress that lends the question to is it progress? 2013 ruling on straddles has changed. Driver straddles right gate without hitting it. then comes back within the gate, hits the left gate and then makes clean progress through the uprights. There is definitely a gate penalty for the left gate but is it 20 penalty points for both gates?
Check out the video footage. Interested to know how we should have called this. In the heat of the moment we called it a single gate penalty + progress.
Video Footage
EvilTwin v2
I wanna be Dave
That's a double gate or 20 points. Only one front tire entered the gate cleanly, then he drive over and hit the other gate. Had he straddled the right gate, then backed out without hitting it, then it would not have been a gate penalty, however, driving over that gate, then continuing to hit the left gate, and then progressing with no attempt to get back out of the gate for a clean attempt results in both gates being penalized.
10 ponits for the gate he hit.
10 points for not getting all 4 tires through clean.
10 points for not getting all 4 tires through clean.
BC-Brian
RCC Addict
That's what i thought. Thanks.
During event judge was not sure if he had slid back enough to count as re-entry or not.
After watching the video a bunch of times, its hard to tell if he even got either front tire through the gates. On the last attempt, it looks as though the drivers front goes around the gate instead of through.
From video watching, I would have called that gate/no progress.
From video watching, I would have called that gate/no progress.
