Apple vs FBI

[NoobCrawler]

What's your take on this?

I think it's pretty stupid that Apple is fighting this. Acting like this will kill privacy as we know it. Like they can't just take the one phone & unlock the damn thing... Tim Cook is a jackass. If I could afford it, I could afford to, I'd use my iPhone/iPad as target practice & film it on a Galaxy & send it to Apple.

There could be, likely is, some critical info on that phone. It could be the missing piece to the puzzle.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

The deal is that Apples encryption is uncrackable. Nobody has been able to do it.

IF (if) Apple can, then the hackers will know that it can be done and work even harder to accomplish it themselves. An even very slightly unsecure encryption is still an unsecure encryption.

I doubt there would be much to learn from such a low level ISIS player anyway.

 

[NoobCrawler]

I suppose...seems like a pretty stupid 'what if' scenario though. It would be figured out sooner or later, some people are just too good. There's that 'jailbreaking' stuff that people are able to do...you can tell how tech savvy I am. I'm not sure that is even comparable.

As for what may be on the phone...I'd rather know for certain that there is nothing on it rather than keep my fingers crossed & hoping there isn't. I also don't like the way Apple is voicing their "concern"...like this is some huge step in the wrong direction for privacy rights. Which, that dead jackoff has none of. How unlocking one phone will ruin privacy of everyone, I don't know.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Since all iphones run the same encryption, cracking one means that all are vulnerable. It's not at all about the privacy of the douchebag that owned it, it's about the privacy of everyone else.

Jail-breaking is nothing like breaking encryption.

 

[TacoCrawler]

The only douches that need hide what they do on their phone...
are likely criminals and asshats.

Our privacy has already been given away...
but today's younger crowd don't even know that.
Nor what has ceased to exist.

The corporate world owns all of you...
but today's younger crowd don't even know what was before...
and they likely never will.
And the corporate world is counting on that ;-)

Getting rich off you all... is their primary goal.

F apple and that stupid Disney World (advertisement) show.

The safety and well being of all...
outweighs the deception and criminal activity of the few.

Wait until someone blows up your loved ones...
and you won't be feeling or talking so rosy about it.

No worries... my time in this life is about up
and all you dipsticks get to live with your high priority pretentiousness
and the misery you've made for yourselves.

The government generally isn't your enemy
Tho' maybe the corrupt corporate owned leadership is.

So... if folk ever wake up from their fantasies...
the corporate world that owns them
may require a 2nd look.
But it'll likely be too late to do anything about it ;-)

The courts should hold them all in contempt
and throw away the key.

I have nothing to hide...
what are you hiding ?

 

[NoobCrawler]

Since all iphones run the same encryption, cracking one means that all are vulnerable. It's not at all about the privacy of the douchebag that owned it, it's about the privacy of everyone else.

Jail-breaking is nothing like breaking encryption.

See, that's what's don't see. If Apple took the guys phone into Apple's HQ, took it to their lab-without any FBI escort- unlocked that phone & gave it back to the FBI, I don't get where the privacy of everyone else is at risk. If the people doing the unlocking were the ones who could already do it in the first place...

I don't know...

 

[microcrawlers]

I have nothing to hide...
what are you hiding ?

just because you have nothing to hide doesnt mean you should be so willing to throw what little security you have out the door. privacy is a necessity for anyone who has anything to hide but also those who have nothing to hide. i get where youre coming from but i stand by apple 100%. if they unlock this phone it goves even more power over us. besides apple made it impossible after ios 8 for even them to decrypt iphones. in my opinion someone who knows what their doing can do it but it wouldnt be exactly legal. there are programs apple uses that have been leaks like purple restore that anyone cam get thier hands on. even apple cant contain a hack once its created so be careful throwing what privacy you have into the wind so readily

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

See, that's what's don't see. If Apple took the guys phone into Apple's HQ, took it to their lab-without any FBI escort- unlocked that phone & gave it back to the FBI, I don't get where the privacy of everyone else is at risk. If the people doing the unlocking were the ones who could already do it in the first place...

I don't know...

1. Apple themselves aren't sure they can even do it. It has never been done before.

2. If they can, and do what you said above, all the FBI has to do is give it to their own hackers to see how Apple got in, and once they do, they'll have unrestricted access to the roughly 1 billion iOS devices on the planet.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Actually, I just read that they aren't asking Apple to crack the phone, they're asking for a whole new iOS without the encryption that they can run as an update on that phone. That's even worse.

 

[TacoCrawler]

privacy is a necessity for anyone who has anything to hide but also those who have nothing to hide.

tell me... what privacy do you think you have ?

maybe in a box 6ft down... there's some !? Lol

suppose one could ignore reality...

but all one need do is type your full name here
piss off the right pshyco hacker
and anyone whom wants to know more about you
or cause hardship in yer life, could.

The corporate world sells your personal info for spare change
or get's hacked and the info is stolen or held ransom.

Even the hospital that retains your private records
cannot safeguard your privacy, nor security. (recent cyber ransom)

Some banking systems are under constant cyber attack
occasionally hacker's break thru.

^ These are becoming or have become regular occurrences in the US

many may buy into that their politicians support and defend their individual rights,
in that they all promise everyone protection of their amendment(s) Right to Privacy.

An easy promise for any politician serving

because defending something that no longer really exists is easy.
If folk are reminded occasionally that all is well... they'll be happy
the majority of folk are fairly complacent within their own perceived world(s) anyways.

btw from what I see...
the current defense for free speech and public demonstration (discord)
as well the media.
seemly ignores most everyone's right to any basic privacy.

Anybody that does not understand the volatility of the situation
should not wait until they are affected by the loss of their loved ones.

Great thing about the W wars is it brought many people together
as one entity in defense of life and liberty.
They were a good people whom were humbled with the experience
and privilege of surviving.

Terrorism is a war on humanity no matter how ya smell it.
Good people should defend everyone's right to exist !

Apple too

 

[microcrawlers]

to explain what duuuuuuude said

if apple were to exploit their own devices the fbi wants them to force a custom update onto the phone that will allow as many passcode attempts as possible and give the fbi a program that will rapidly put in passwords until it cracks it. if apple were to comply then every iphone thief out there knows there a new great way to f your phone up. just to give some info on what exactly the fbi is asking for

 

[binaryterror]

The only douches that need hide what they do on their phone...
are likely criminals and asshats.

Our privacy has already been given away...

...The government generally isn't your enemy

I get your tin foil hat may be too tight, however the constitution provides us protections from such government agencies. Even the founding fathers knew the government can't and shouldn't be trusted.

The government, who you blindly assume isn't our enemy, is the one trying to illegally bypass constitutional rights of all iPhone owners (and you would be even more stupid to assume if Apple is forced, Google wouldn't be next).

And the corporate world is counting on that ;-)

Tho' maybe the corrupt corporate owned leadership is.

Weird you hate Corporations, and think the government is all friendly. In this case it is exactly 100% the opposite. FACTS, not tin foil hats!

Actually, I just read that they aren't asking Apple to crack the phone, they're asking for a whole new iOS without the encryption that they can run as an update on that phone. That's even worse.

Yeah the goal is not just getting in, but keeping it running as they think the Terrorists he dealt with would keep talking to him, as if the media hasn't clearly said he was killed and being investigated for terrorism. His online presence is a ghost now in the circles that the government wants into.

Our FBI/NSA is a joke when it comes to the newer devices and the internet, compared to what is actually out there. They are so far behind.

 

[Robbob]

Im on Apples side with them on this.

Make a hack and give it to the FBI - we all know its gonna be used. We also can pretty much guarantee its gonna end up some where else.

Make a hack and keep it at Apple headquarters - how long before some rogue apple employee decides he has a price tag? how many times a day you think apple will be attacked to try and get the tool?


On the flip to this though ...........

The case would not have existed if the county government that owned the iPhone had installed a feature on it that would have allowed the FBI to easily and immediately unlock the phone. San Bernardino County had bought the technology, known as mobile device management from MobileIron Inc., but never installed it on any of the inspectors’ phones, including Farook’s, said county spokesman David Wert said.

It wouldn't even be an argument for anyone if the county installed the software on a device they own. You have no privacy when you don't own the item. ;-)

But I say the FBI cuts their loss and finds a different way to get information - get their own decryption ring.

 

[vonclod]

The only douches that need hide what they do on their phone...
are likely criminals and asshats.

Our privacy has already been given away...
but today's younger crowd don't even know that.
Nor what has ceased to exist.

The corporate world owns all of you...
but today's younger crowd don't even know what was before...
and they likely never will.
And the corporate world is counting on that ;-)

Getting rich off you all... is their primary goal.

F apple and that stupid Disney World (advertisement) show.

The safety and well being of all...
outweighs the deception and criminal activity of the few.

Wait until someone blows up your loved ones...
and you won't be feeling or talking so rosy about it.

No worries... my time in this life is about up
and all you dipsticks get to live with your high priority pretentiousness
and the misery you've made for yourselves.

The government generally isn't your enemy
Tho' maybe the corrupt corporate owned leadership is.

So... if folk ever wake up from their fantasies...
the corporate world that owns them
may require a 2nd look.
But it'll likely be too late to do anything about it ;-)

The courts should hold them all in contempt
and throw away the key.

I have nothing to hide...
what are you hiding ?

Give it a rest, if you want to bend over for inspection..fill your boots.

 

[Highmark]

The FBI wants apple to write a new IOS then push it to the phone remotely so that they can brute force the phone without it cleaning out all of the data they're after (the phone will do this automatically if they guess ten incorrect pass keys). Most phones use a 4 digit numeric pass key so it shouldn't take them too long (a half hour if iOS querys the hardware key directly) to unlock the phone using that method.

Here's what the the FBI requested:

[Apple] will bypass or disable the auto-erase function whether or not it has been enabled;
[Apple] will enable the FBI to submit passcodes to the SUBJECT DEVICE for testing electronically via the physical device port, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, or other protocol available on the SUBJECT DEVICE; and
[Apple] will ensure that when the FBI submits passcodes to the SUBJECT DEVICE, software running on the device will not purposefully introduce any additional delay between passcode attempts beyond what is incurred by Apple hardware.

There are several problems here. The FBI is asking Apple to own the FBI's problem and take the recovered phone on campus and create a method to break into it. This is a lose-lose for Apple. They're basically being forced to pay for a solution to the FBI's problem that opens them up to additional liability and undermines their corporate security strategy.

Basically the FBI is asking for a master key for a million plus personal devices to unlock one phone.

 

[59sled]

I think what some people are against Apple for, is that they have unlocked phones 70 times for the Feds since 2008. Yet this one is a little different, harder, and more time consuming.
Apple changed allot after the Snowden case.

I'm on the fence with it. Yes I would like to know more on this guy, but I also do think the government over pushes their boundaries sometimes.

One side note if the FBI does have Apple open it, Would that send a message to ISIS that we will not mess around. Not my belief, just throwing it out there.

 

[djjiz]

It's my understanding that we are considered as leasing the phone if purchased in the US. If that's the case our data is accessible.

 

[Highmark]

It's my understanding that we are considered as leasing the phone if purchased in the US. If that's the case our data is accessible.

No. No part of that statement is true. None. :ror:

 

[offroadace]

I'll send my IT guys over. They're Pros at this computer and interwebs stuff.

 

[djjiz]

No. No part of that statement is true. None. :ror:

That's why jailbreaking and rooting is considered illegal. We don't own the software maybe? I'll look into it again. Haven't messed with phones in 10 months so facts are foggy.