Apple vs FBI

[Duuuuuuuude]

In the hypothetical scenario of a supreme court justice being murdered versus a billion people getting spammed porn, or having their porn advertised, I'm pretty sure I'm more interested in the judge.

To take it a step further (hypothetically), maybe the iphone nonsense is supposed to be taking attention away from the judges death. Naw, that's too tin foilish. Your smartphone is the most important thing in the world, duh.

The judge was elderly and had a laundry list of health problems. Whether he died last week or next month or even a day after the upcoming election, it can't be too big of a shock when it actually happens. He was due for a bucket kicking. And, it's not like Congress is known for playing nice with Obama anyway, so if his death was some master plan to get a more liberal judge in the seat, it wasn't very well thought out because we all know it won't happen.

I don't own an iphone, so it doesn't really effect me directly anyway. News happens every minute of every day. Whether or not this is a narrated distraction from something more important is impossible to tell.

There's no certainty that if the FBI gets what they want that the world will end for apple nut huggers, but you sure do love that side of the spectrum Duuuuude.


That 'Taco' guy on the first page may have come off a bit nutty but a lot of what he said about lack of privacy nowadays is spot on. Any one of the alphabet agencies can see what you doing on, and what's on your phone/computer at any given time. You can argue about whether or not it's "right" but it really doesn't matter, it still happens.

True, just about anything they want to find is fairly accessible. That doesn't mean we should just willingly hand over the keys.

 

[binaryterror]

There's no certainty that if the FBI gets what they want that the world will end for apple nut huggers, but you sure do love that side of the spectrum Duuuuude.

Yet, your other option would be Android. Google/Android has already said their new messaging apps will all be compliant with security demands of the US, allowing them in as needed. Google isn't directly supporting Apple in this, which means your Androids that you "nut hug" is all about not protecting you or your phones.

But who cares, Android is an open OS, anyone can create a new OS for it and place the backdoor in easy. Likely this is already done and in multiple peoples hands, both for good and bad.

Any one of the alphabet agencies can see what you doing on, and what's on your phone/computer at any given time. You can argue about whether or not it's "right" but it really doesn't matter, it still happens.

So if they can always see what I'm doing whenever they want, which you claim. Why do they need into this specific phone? They can see what he was doing, by your own claim.

 

[djjiz]

Do corporations have the same rights as an individual?

Since Apple is not a real person do thry have constitutionally based privacy rights? Since Apple is a corporation and corporations are entities created by the state, Apples rights should be limited to the rights extended to it by the state within which it was incorporated. Correct?

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Do corporations have the same rights as an individual?

Only when there are campaign donations involved. :ror:

 

[djjiz]

Only when there are campaign donations involved. :ror:

I imagine Apple can afford the best politicians in the business.

 

[losikid]

Apple should agree, then say oops that didn't work. Sorry

 

[Peaker]

I just wish .gov would nose around in Americans stuff, but no they stick ther noce in where it bloddy well please them.
And its beyond me why anyone on my side of the pond have not punched .gov in the nose and told them to go nose around somewhere else.

Im sorry you guys, but you got to bring your house in order, and here i would like to say " before someone else do it for you" but i am affraid the house will just collapse on its own before some "saviour" kick in the door.

.gov is like Nelson in the Simpsons, the big kid in the playground every one fear cuz no one know what the hell he is going to do next.

But .gov is supposed to fear you, not the other way around ( thats just a bastart version of soviet russia )

 

[losikid]

I just wish .gov would nose around in Americans stuff, but no they stick ther noce in where it bloddy well please them.
And its beyond me why anyone on my side of the pond have not punched .gov in the nose and told them to go nose around somewhere else.

Because they know they might be able to break our nose but we can pull out a can of whoop ass in a hurry.

 

[BUBBA069]

Its also not just the gov getting a backdoor to the encryption. Look at all the data breaches in the last few years (gov and private).

Gov gets a backdoor, every hacker in the world will hunt it down. That backdoor gets into the wild THEN everything is toast. Its not just the naughty pics you have on the phone, its all the other stuff that is done on phones now. Banking, NFC payments, ect..

Now they could just update, make a new encryption, and this gets started all over again.

Basically why I don't do anything with financial stuff on my phone, unless encrypted Andriod phones can be broken into in less than 24 hrs. Android 5 has an encryption option, just not on by default because some phones don't support it. The next version of Android encryption will be mandatory from what I understand.

For my home PC I keep financial stuff on an encrypted drive, and the flash drive I have in my pocket is encrypted, 8 wrong guesses and the flash drive nukes itself.


TL;DR More worried about hackers getting my financial data than I am of the gov.

 

[wings_of_fire]

There are companies that reverse engineer softwares inside an IC chip. They do this by slicing the ic layer after layer registering the transistors that are in a binary position of 1 or 0. The completed data is then simulated with the architecture of that IC thus giving a rough idea of the software. Using this method some parts of the IC can be mechanically turned off from actuating.

There might be a possibility to turn of an iphones autoerase funtion mechanically, but it should be crazy complex.

Slicing work of the IC is within nano or pico meter.

 

[vonclod]

Do corporations have the same rights as an individual?

Since Apple is not a real person do thry have constitutionally based privacy rights? Since Apple is a corporation and corporations are entities created by the state, Apples rights should be limited to the rights extended to it by the state within which it was incorporated. Correct?

In some cases yes..check out the Hobby Lobby decision..a corp was allowed to opt out of paying for some reproductive services for it's employees based on the corps religious sensibilities..not a person.

 

[cmecha]

It's all about law and precedent, if Apple caves this will give the gov precedent to use the all writ act with out being challenged, if you look up the act, you'll see for the FBI to force Apple to hack their device under the AL writ act 4 conditions must be meet, one of those is "the absence of alternative remedies" which 1 the FBI could have gained access but changed the icloud password and 2 they can cooperate with the NSA.

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[binaryterror]

Using this method some parts of the IC can be mechanically turned off from actuating.

There might be a possibility to turn of an iphones autoerase funtion mechanically, but it should be crazy complex.

Except a chip, just processes the information. It's the actual code that tells the chip what to do. Which is why this method doesn't work in a complex full Operating System device.

"the absence of alternative remedies" which 1 the FBI could have gained access but changed the icloud password and 2 they can cooperate with the NSA.

The icloud password has nothing to do with this. Apple owns the icloud data and has already given all that data to the FBI. It is the phone itself they want into which has the encryption that will autoerase based on failed password attempts.

LOL at thinking the NSA can crack anything of current technology. I know you movie watchers think the NSA is filled with the best hackers. That's simply movie stuff, in reality their skills are far inferior to what the movies portray.
I mean their own website was hacked: A Group 'Hacked' the NSA's Website to Demonstrate the Widespread Bug FREAK | Motherboard

 

[cmecha]

I am aware, of the NSA, but that doesn't mean the FBI should not first be required to consult them. And any other government entity.

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[Natedog]

1. Apple themselves aren't sure they can even do it. It has never been done before.

2. If they can, and do what you said above, all the FBI has to do is give it to their own hackers to see how Apple got in, and once they do, they'll have unrestricted access to the roughly 1 billion iOS devices on the planet.

X2 "thumbsup" What little privacy we still have should be preserved, the FBI needs to work smarter to take care of terrorism etcetera, not be given whatever they ask for. Those who say they have nothing to hide...until somebody decides they don't like your brand of nothing to hide...then they're next. This country is founded on freedom, rights (that come with responsibilities), and the OPPORTUNITY to better themselves and those around them. "thumbsup"

 

[hpiguy]

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[binaryterror]

I love how McAfee can do it, but has consistently only talked theory and has yet to buy an iPhone, lock it down and show proof of concept in it working.

 

[hpiguy]

I love how he's all about data security and integrity and protecting PII in today's age of identity theft. He also offered the FBI the assistance of his entire team free of charge on this matter, of course they haven't offered to take him up on it though because that isn't what they want.

 

[binaryterror]

Even more odd, we find the FBI actually caused this after Apple told them exactly what to do to get the iPhone to backup again to the iCloud and Apple has no issue and has provided all iCloud data relating to this phone (since it is stored on their servers).

Instead the FBI made a mistake and caused this entire issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/t...ff-before-house-judiciary-committee.html?_r=0

I love how he's all about data security and integrity and protecting PII in today's age of identity theft. He also offered the FBI the assistance of his entire team free of charge on this matter, of course they haven't offered to take him up on it though because that isn't what they want.

Remember, he is a Presidential candidate this year. Very loony (go ahead and google search about him in the news). Most importantly not well regarded in the security or hacker communities with his McAfee software or his practices of making it very hard to uninstall his products.

He calls himself a Security Guru, he's not.

 

[hpiguy]

I never claimed he was any kind of guru, and I'm well aware of how he's regarded in the industry as I work in the industry. But, I also haven't seen anyone else step up to help out. Also, blindly handing over the keys to the kingdom for everyone's data isn't the answer here either. Not that I'm implying that's what you're saying, but I get the feeling that some around here would OK with that.