Building homemade comp rig help

[Spencecrawler]

Hi all, I am still hunting for the best cheapest MOA axles out there, I have built my own 4 links for my ax10 deadbolt and they are nice and beefy, I have it modded with a brushless combo that cost me about $60 total(HK 100 amp esc and 3650 4p 3300kv motor) esc has timing turned to low, and startup set to soft, it actually crawls pretty good lol along with the drag brake set as high as it would go..

Back to the axles tho, I was eyeing the rc4wd bully axles, (not the 2's) and I saw that everything was replaceable except the front cvds, and $160 is kinda a lot for me as I am hunting for a job right now... I mean would the bully 2 cvds fit if a cvd ever broke? I mean come on rc4wd redcat rs10 axles are fully rebuildable and they are $40 a set... I have been searching around for good MOA axles, and I have almost come up empty, the rc4wd bully 2's are too expensive to my liking, and I like the older style that they still sell, but I don't like that the cvds couldn't be replaced, maybe the bully 2 cvds would fit lol I don't really know this stuff, MOA is a new and alien thing to me. Rock crawling isn't really. Ever since I always thought MOA rigs had to cost in excess of $1500 it always pushed me away... Now that I know I can build one for hopefully around $300 ish I am going for it, but I need some help...

This comp rig is just mainly to have fun experiencing the awesome capability of a comp rig, going with an improper dig setup, its basically a hobbywing 60amp brushed esc wired with two motors on it in parallel with a 3s lipo, and a remote servo operated switch to kill the rear motor to allow dig... I was kind of going off something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_FaPCOzK7M
No shocks, no front 4 links, the whole canopy is attached to the front, I really don't care if it doesn't look the coolest it still looks awesome and can tackle a lot of stuff. I could go into details, but maybe is it that the rc4wd axles are discontinued? Is that why I cannot buy the cvds or rebuild them if I ever needed to? I always like to hear or find out that I can always buy parts for rc things... I know it wouldn't be likely that the cvds would break, but if they did lol its just a consideration. Or is the exceed mad torque good enough to go crawling with, then I could convert it to a superclass rig? I have kinda considered that... The exceed mad torque looks so good now Idk I mean ugh lol I considered the mad torque many times, I could make a custom chassis so easy and make everything lower, but I wanted quality, that is why I wanted to build my own, but I am kinda hung up, maybe the mad torque would suit my needs, I was reading the mad torque post on this forum

Any suggestions are welcome lol.


Thanks
-Spence

 

[Dezertdirt]

look through the for sale section or ebay, sometime you can find berg v1 axles or xr10 axles for cheap. All of the parts are still available for them. Also the mad torque axles can be made into good axles with some mods. Pm Dlux about them he used to make a lot of stuff for the mt, he still might be able to help you. The mt is basically the Chinese relative of the berg v1 so some the parts will work. also comp rigs don't have to be that expensive, just look for used parts.

 

[Spencecrawler]

Thanks man, it looks like I could build up some xr10 axles from parts via ebay, they still make all the parts, gears pins, axles, housings, likely fasteners too, looks kind of like a pain... I would like to do a build, but like are the exceed axles strong? I have only ever come by a handful of xr10s on ebay and cringed as I saw them for that good price and couldn't just pick them up and go crawling and finally get what I wanted... I had my mind set on doing a build, then the lack of good MOA axles put me off...

I have been hunting as we speak for berg axles, and xr10 axles and I have come up empty... I see I can browse the xr10 parts log pdf via axial's website, and order all the parts that come in each bag, then maybe I could add up the prices and end up with some new xr10 axles in the end... I am picking all the xr10 parts bags bit by bit to see how cost effective building xr10 axles is... I just like the exceed mad torque idea if the axles inside are practically bulletproof out of the box minus the junk front knuckles that can be replaced with axial alloy knuckles, and then hot rodding the whole thing with a delrin chassis and making a blown up creation of my original idea... Would the exceed axles make good reliable axles? Like what kind of mods? All I was reading about was how people with the alloy knuckles and the 4 link setup with a better mount..

 

[Dezertdirt]

The main issue I have heard on the mad torques is some of the gears are weak. You should pm Dlux about the mt. He will know more about them and may be able to hook you up with parts to fix the weak areas.
The other thing you could do is put up a wanted ad for moa axles. That is how I got my berg axles. I believe that tcs still sells stock sets of bergs sometimes. Also check rc recycler.
The Last option is to build a comp shafty which can be made or bought for cheaper prices than moas. Shafties are almost as capable as pro rigs. I have about half as much into my shafty. check out the ax10,ax10gen2 and losi comp crawler sections.

 

[Spencecrawler]

Would Dlux be able to help me fix the weak point of the MT mad torque axles? So the mad torque axles can't really be good? Idk, I really like the mad torque, but ugh idk, I just see so many super class builds using the mad torque axles.. Idk what to do here, I may just put a "Wanted berg v1/xr10 axles" ad in here somewhere.. Not really sure where I would put that, or take my time, and build an xr10 axle set from the ground up with the parts, so far no parts are not available they are all available they just don't sell any axles assembled. The axles are literally the HARDEST part of the build, finding good cheap MOA's. Welp, if I built the xr10 axles, I would be able to have a brand new set of xr10 axles ready at the expense of ordering every single part and making sure all of the parts are in stock and ordering a massive pile of parts off ebay. I Pm'd the eric d lux on rccrawler ugh this is a crazy process

 

[Dezertdirt]

it is eric dlux, sorry for the confusion. There is a wanted section at the bottom of the forum page. read this it will explain how to get to be able to see the classifieds,wanted section and other stuff.
RCCrawler Forums - Forum Rules

 

[Spencecrawler]

I already pm'd him about the mad torque and possibly strengthening the axles, I really hope the mad torque works out, I hopefully can get the mad torque in a couple of weeks. I found the berg v1 axles, although they are a little expensive. I still think if all else fails building my own xr10 axles from parts on ebay is an excellent last resort. I like the mad torque tho because it comes as an RTR, so I wouldn't be fumbling around for parts, and waiting and waiting... Just pay the $214 or so and the rig is mine... Although I would feel a sense of accomplishment if I were to scratch build a comp rig tho. I will see what eric d lux replies back about the mad torque stuff cause the mad torque may very well be excellently fitted to what I want to do. Discussing this stuff is going to help me make my decision, sorry all if its so lengthy lol:roll:

So building xr10 axles is out, $118 and I haven't even finished charting all the parts for both axles... Still having a tough time between the mad torque or getting some xr10/berg v1 axles from the classifieds somehow here, I mean well there isn't really anything to lose if somebody didn't send me the axles, if its via PayPal its pretty easy to get your money back, I have done forum transactions and trades and stuff, it just feels a little sketchy sometimes... The mad torque is looking really good for a choice, I haven't heard any other breakages internally except for the knuckles, and I wouldn't treat this truck like a rat, I would crawl with it, but not really savagely. I mean idk if anybody with a mad torque could chime in, but I see the mad torque turning into a super class rig real quick to just do its best to tackle rocks. The reason why I want a capable crawler is so that I can crawl better and go crazy crawling over all sorts of stuff... I mean making it super class would be pretty easy but not really, I just have to cut some tires, or just go right to the 3.8" 40 series rubber maybe get something from rc4wd. I just like that the mad torque I could get for $215 or less (nitro rcx sale) and have fun with it, and order a set of metal STRC knuckles and go out and crawl... I mean I see lots of positive videos on it... I guess I will just get it idk still lol. I mean lol I seen enough positive experience with the mad torque from others, I think I have decided lol, I hope I'm happy with it, it seems to be a big success via exceed, just a little unsure

Actually I found the enroute new age berg axles a pair for $200 new that is the ticket.

 

[84yoda]

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Where did you find those new berg axles for 200?

 

[Spencecrawler]

These were the axles, I feel if I link them ppl are gonna buy them like gang busters and they will be gone before I get the chance to get my hands on a pair... This is from tcs crawlers: New Age Berg V1 2.2 Complete Assembled Axle Pair (2 each)
They are new age berg v1 axles fully rebuildable cheap to fix if they ever were to break and they look beautiful. Nice beefy looking metal gears

 

[KJ10]

TCS doesn't keep many of them in stock, so as soon as someone buys them, they go "out of stock" but, they usually have another set within a week or so. If you're planning on going to the super class with them, make sure to buy all the extras that don't come with the axles, like servo mounts. I'll also recommend that you look at Dlux's website. The stock Berg shafts break VERY easily. Stock steering sucks, as well. You're going to wind up with his parts, anyway. May as well go this route and save a few bucks by getting it all at once. Yea, it seems expensive but, trust me, you will spend more (re-)building them than this: Dlux Fab

Also, if you use stock long tubes on both sides to get super-class width, the tube will need to be clearanced, re-drilled, and tapped to get the geometry to match.

 

[Spencecrawler]

The original plan was to make a 1/10 open class style homemade MOA rig that would climb practically anything just for fun, just get two sheets of delrin sheet 1/8" thick, 6"x 6" inches, MOA's sticky comp tires, one esc, fsgt3b, servo, two 35t or 55t motors, 3s single esc, servo for mechanical:electrical dig(servo operates switch, saves money) Once I get my hands on some good MOA axles, the build can take off from there. I mean idk if I should try to build it with in mind that I could blend in with the comp scene? I mean granted tho, I don't live in Canada where the rcsparks guys are, if I lived there for sure I would build a comp rig to blend into and be able to compete in a comp... So what would you suggest I do? Like are the stock berg axle shafts really really weak?


I really favor the 1/10 crawlers, like comparing my summit to my ax10, the summit can sometimes conquer bigger ledges, but has a higher cog and is much heavier and is a pain to weave in the rocks and pick your line, on the other hand the ax10 deadbolt crawls pretty good, but I just wanted a comp rig that I would be able to do more with in terms of tackling crazy climbs and what not...

I guess it is sadly true that I have to fork out almost 1/2 a g to get some good axles? I am nuts I was going between the mad torque and now I am back at square 1 well... I mean I am trying to find employment and it isn't making the process any more fun thinking how now I am trying to figure it out and I don't have the funds yet... Just trying to figure out a good MOA setup... I mean sadly I may want to save up really really big bucks? The big big bucks are kinda sucking away the fun and interest of this build...

The mad torque had something going for it in it of the fact that I could have fun with it until I go to mod it majorly, I feel now I am going to be greeted with a big parts bill and lots of parts, sure I like doing builds but ugh tough... Thank you guys for still bearing with me, but maybe I should just wait and get some second hand berg or xr10 axles when I get access to the classifieds, I am sure even secondhand they would be good tho... Maybe? I really wished axial didn't stop making the xr10, I really think people would still be buying xr10 kits today probably?

I think so anyway, I would have bought one for sure! Or the axles... Its just ugh I really don't know what to do. I mean would second hand be the way to go if I am more patient and I get all the other goodies before hand? Like a second hand xr10 axle set or the bergs? I think I would prefer the xr10 axle set tho. Still not sure if I should go back to the idea of building the xr10 axles lol still adding prices and documenting parts. I kinda like the ultra light Dlux axles for $425 but yeesh pricey but likely top of the line, maybe I should like wait a little while until I have sufficient funds, maybe the interest will blow over who knows...


So I guess I will get some second hand axles, like xr10 or bergs... Idk its such a pain that I have to wait this long to even browse the classifieds, what a bummer... I guess I like the xr10 axles because its axial, and if one was broken, parts are always easy to find... Wow this is going to be a painfully long wait, maybe who knows I may have $425 to spend on axles who knows in a little while I hope. I guess I am going back to the fact that comp rigs are kind of a crazy expensive unobtanieum thing, I wanted cheap, I mean it would be nice if companies made a pretty darn good starter rig that is RTR for like $500 I would even pay... Its just blowing my mind how expensive this stuff is, I mean all the RTR rig would need to have was a good quality MOA axle set and the whole thing for $500 ish and I would be happy to mod the crap out of it... So I mean in the classfieds I will just drop a "wanted this" post in there when I am allowed access via rccrawler, I would end up with a better deal in the end, plus the time that it would take, I may be able to get some funds to purchase the MOA's who knows

Welp, Ima do my best to forget about the whole comp crawler deal for now, once I have sufficient funds, I will find what is best lol so tough to keep in the excitement about the comp crawler