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Chevy Volt to get 230 mpg rating
- Thread starter constantmotion
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Code454
Hateraide
"thumbsup"
i like the new ford taurus turbo
i like the new ford taurus turbo
binaryterror
I wanna be Dave
It's not EPA rated at 230mpg and after the EPA said "hold up".
Nissan also just released their EV mpg ratings. 367mpg: http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/11/nissan-pokes-fun-at-the-volt-claims-367-mpg-equivalent-for-leaf/
Nissan also just released their EV mpg ratings. 367mpg: http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/11/nissan-pokes-fun-at-the-volt-claims-367-mpg-equivalent-for-leaf/
constantmotion
On the lookout for Rocks
RANOVRU
Quarry Creeper
They're (EPA) going to have to find another way to measure vehicle efficiency if the "battery" movement continues.
This is getting ridiculous. Anyone who can't see past the marketing has to be brain dead.
This is getting ridiculous. Anyone who can't see past the marketing has to be brain dead.
dezfan
I wanna be Dave
Can I get a V8 in either of those?
I sure wouldn't mind not having to use any fuel in my 31 mile round trip commute......
Tupers
Rock Crawler
Awesome, Chevy makes something environmentally friendly and then the Japs go and piss all over it. :lol:
I wonder if they're calculating the MPG figure on the same system as regular gas engines or if they've got something fancier?
dezfan
I wanna be Dave
They call it the Leaf?:lmao:
Looks like a TURD!
Looks like a TURD!
soundcolor
Rock Crawler
I have a few highly held opinions about all this hybrid/electic stuff and they are like this
1st, the 1st and only real, try "hybrid" system cam from honda in the form of IMA (intergrated motor assist). Its the only system that constantly reginerates whether on the street, highway, or track. The prius is great... I guess, but if your on the highway, you are running off the motor all the time, and you are not charging anything back, because it only re-generates power under braking. However....
2nd, I have long held that this current "hybrid" B.S. is just that. Bullshit. Neither hondas IMA or Toyotas synergy drive are worth a damn. The only way to be truely hybrid is to use the gasoline motor to power feed power back into the batteries and let them power the electric motor. Its the best, cheapest, and smartest way.... However
3rd. Saying that a volt will get 253mpg is B.S. It wont, not ever, and thats just all there is to it.
I think that when it comes to vehicles like the volt, fuel mileage should be measured in distance per tank of fuel. Basically, if you leave your house in the morning with fully charged batteries, head off down the road. How far will the vehicle go before both its batteries and the fuel in the tank is gone.
So in the volts case, it wouldn't be 253 miles. It would be the average amount of miles that can be driven (say 40 for the battery only) and then add to that another 400 miles that the engine will operate to charge the batteries before it runs out of fuel... in this case the number would be 440miles. Now, run a couple of city and a couple of highway trips, average them out and that would be the number that needs to be given.
Other than that, they need to give a "drive cycle cost" amount. Say, how much is it going to cost to charge your batteries for the night, plus how much is it going to cost to fill up the tank from empty, Those are the only ways that I know of that the numbers would be comparable to anything else.
1st, the 1st and only real, try "hybrid" system cam from honda in the form of IMA (intergrated motor assist). Its the only system that constantly reginerates whether on the street, highway, or track. The prius is great... I guess, but if your on the highway, you are running off the motor all the time, and you are not charging anything back, because it only re-generates power under braking. However....
2nd, I have long held that this current "hybrid" B.S. is just that. Bullshit. Neither hondas IMA or Toyotas synergy drive are worth a damn. The only way to be truely hybrid is to use the gasoline motor to power feed power back into the batteries and let them power the electric motor. Its the best, cheapest, and smartest way.... However
3rd. Saying that a volt will get 253mpg is B.S. It wont, not ever, and thats just all there is to it.
I think that when it comes to vehicles like the volt, fuel mileage should be measured in distance per tank of fuel. Basically, if you leave your house in the morning with fully charged batteries, head off down the road. How far will the vehicle go before both its batteries and the fuel in the tank is gone.
So in the volts case, it wouldn't be 253 miles. It would be the average amount of miles that can be driven (say 40 for the battery only) and then add to that another 400 miles that the engine will operate to charge the batteries before it runs out of fuel... in this case the number would be 440miles. Now, run a couple of city and a couple of highway trips, average them out and that would be the number that needs to be given.
Other than that, they need to give a "drive cycle cost" amount. Say, how much is it going to cost to charge your batteries for the night, plus how much is it going to cost to fill up the tank from empty, Those are the only ways that I know of that the numbers would be comparable to anything else.
JeremyH
I wanna be Dave
Umm.....I'll pass. I think that I'll stick with my 4Runner that had a purchase price of $0 and cost me ~$40 per month to fuel.... That sounds much better than a new car payment!
I have been thinking of a little C3H8 for the jeep!
I have been thinking of a little C3H8 for the jeep!
Scoony
Rock Stacker
and i will never own one of them haha i love my big gas hog
ThinkTank
Release your anger..
Too bad its a Chevy.:?
That is one of the ugliest cars I have ever seen.
How hard is to slap all that voodoo electric/engine system in Skyline GT-R and call it a day?
That is one of the ugliest cars I have ever seen.
How hard is to slap all that voodoo electric/engine system in Skyline GT-R and call it a day?
fernando
RCC Addict
I wonder
Whats the 0-60 on that one.:lmao:
Whats the 0-60 on that one.:lmao:
METALHEAD
Quarry Creeper
230 mpg? Since GM turned into "Government Motors" they've adopted the same bullshit math that the assholes in office use to justify everything from bailouts, to Cash for Clunkers, to this Health Care atrocity.
I'll stick with my gas burners. And just a thought here....I do not know, or claim to know, but realistically, how long are those batteries supposed to last being charged/discharged daily? More importantly, when they do need replacing, how much do you think those bad boys will cost to swap out?
Now, compare that to something that costs half as much, like a Honda Civic, with a proven track record that you can expect to run 200,000+ miles without anything but tires and oil changes. Add up the purchase prices and the expected maintainance and tell me how long it's gonna take to comp the sticker price on one of these homely hybrid bastards.
In my opinion, this electric movement is all hype at this point anyway. Even from a "green" perspective, it's really just a joke. The Toyota PIOUS...er...ahh..."Prious" for example, packs such a huge carbon footprint before it's even assembled it really can't be justified as being "green".
I'm all for exploring alternatives to gas, but these inflated numbers and rediculous claims just make the whole movement more of a mockery than anything else in my book.
I'll stick with my gas burners. And just a thought here....I do not know, or claim to know, but realistically, how long are those batteries supposed to last being charged/discharged daily? More importantly, when they do need replacing, how much do you think those bad boys will cost to swap out?
Now, compare that to something that costs half as much, like a Honda Civic, with a proven track record that you can expect to run 200,000+ miles without anything but tires and oil changes. Add up the purchase prices and the expected maintainance and tell me how long it's gonna take to comp the sticker price on one of these homely hybrid bastards.
In my opinion, this electric movement is all hype at this point anyway. Even from a "green" perspective, it's really just a joke. The Toyota PIOUS...er...ahh..."Prious" for example, packs such a huge carbon footprint before it's even assembled it really can't be justified as being "green".
I'm all for exploring alternatives to gas, but these inflated numbers and rediculous claims just make the whole movement more of a mockery than anything else in my book.
youngblood
RCC Addict
I thought you were smarter than that. You might not be using any gas, but your electric bill will sky rocket.
Now if you can get your employer to let you plug it in at work, you'll have it made.
JeremyH
I wanna be Dave
That will depend on the capacity of the car's battery...
http://www.nationalpost.com/cars/story.html?id=1885777
its being calculated as how many miles the (what ever size fuel tank it has) gas will last you in the 1.4L gas engine it uses to act as a generator for the batteries.
technically your always running on the batteries and the gas engine is only used to recharge the batteries.
Lets load them up with 4 fat americans and beach gear with the AC going and see what the mileage is then.
Smoke and Mirrors ....... :mrgreen:
caymin last
Rock Crawler
This is another one of those 'con-jobs' by our Guberment, and the 'green movement'.
Do some research, and you find that the impact on the enviroment, from concept to the end of it's usefull service, one Prius is equal to the carbon footprint of three Hummer3 vehicles. The batteries used for the 'Green Cars' causes more pollution and unwanted waste than ever imagined.
The Nickel used for the batteries is mined in Canada, processed in Scotland and China then shipped to Japan to be made into the final product.
Sudbury in Ontario for instance, where the nickel is mined has become an enviromental nightmare, the area around the mine and smelting factory is devoid of plant life for miles, so much so that NASA uses it to test new Moon Rover buggies, acid rain caused by the process has made the entire area a 'Dead Zone' that will take hundreds of years recover.
http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/03/which-is-greener-prius-or-hummer.html
Do some research, and you find that the impact on the enviroment, from concept to the end of it's usefull service, one Prius is equal to the carbon footprint of three Hummer3 vehicles. The batteries used for the 'Green Cars' causes more pollution and unwanted waste than ever imagined.
The Nickel used for the batteries is mined in Canada, processed in Scotland and China then shipped to Japan to be made into the final product.
Sudbury in Ontario for instance, where the nickel is mined has become an enviromental nightmare, the area around the mine and smelting factory is devoid of plant life for miles, so much so that NASA uses it to test new Moon Rover buggies, acid rain caused by the process has made the entire area a 'Dead Zone' that will take hundreds of years recover.
http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/03/which-is-greener-prius-or-hummer.html
Even if the Volt from GM gets 230mpg it still will cost at least $40k. I can buy a $20k car that gets 25-30mpg and buy an ass load of gas for $20k. They also don't tell you how much electric you'll use to charge the Volt and how much that will cost per year. I don't have to tell you guys what replacement LiON batteries will cost for the volt either. Food for thought.....
