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How to: Cheap ,working, scale looking sway-bars.(updated)

Jay-Em

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This thread/how to.. is especially for those that do not have the possibility/ability to braze.

All that's needed is:

-Some soldering skill
-a soldering iron/gun with about 80 to 100 watts, lower will work, only takes longer.
-flux solder for electronics
-Circuit-board (radio shack) without circuits. Copper on one side, glass-fibre epoxy the other.
-2 turnbuckles 3mm
-4 savage/revo rod-ends with balls (3mm inner diam.)
clamp rings, usually used to connect rudder axles to servo's in boats.(I do not know the english name. The pictures should be informative..)
-steel wire between 1,5 and 2mm, depending on the strength of anti-sway You'll want.

Pics of the materials:
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First cut off a piece of steel rod about 9,3cm
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Then grind a flat spot on both ends. Keep them aligned!
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That is our sway-bar.

Next, cut out 2 rectangular pieces from the circuit-board, about 4,5 by 1 cm(or longer if You want some adjustment possibilities), and grind them to an approximate servo-horn shape. You can even go as far as giving it the shape of Teraflexes, or Antirocks.

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(yup.. i Mis-drilled, hence the following: ) Next is one of the best tricks.
Lay both rectangular pieces on top of each other and drill a 2mm hole through the both of them. (make the copper sides face each other) You can even decide to drill the other holes with 2,8 mm already, as I did.

Now put a couple of screws through the holes, tighten them, and start grinding/shaving away, to make both parts their mirorred equivalent.

-Next: Take the ring/screw/clamp thingies. Scuff one side with some 500 grit until the messing is visible, and start adding solder to that side, like so:
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Then add solder to the copper side of the arms like so (make the solder really flow. WARNING!! The parts will be extremely hot hotter hottest.. don't touch them with your bare fingers for a while, unless you are not really fond of them :twisted: )
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Now the hard part:

Stick a piece of steel wire through the ring thingy and the arm, rotate the ring-thingy until the screw is straight-out like this, and tighten the screw:

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I even went as far as drilling a hole in my bench, so I could put the wire through all the way.
Now press the ring-thingy with something that doesnt conduct heat, and start heating the ring-thingy and the arm-thingy untill the solder starts to run and makes a nice beveled edge between arm and ring. You can "feel" the ring-thingy "sink" into place, if You do it right.

You should end-up with something looking like this:

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Can You see where this is going? 8)

Next step is pretty easy. After the solder and parts have cooled, your blisters duly bandaged, and the excruciating pain of 3rd degree burns has subsided :ror: , it is simply a matter of fitting the parts together for a check:

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Now take the turnbucles and rod ends, screw them together. Next, take Your Sway-bar, unscrew one end, slide the steel rod through the holes in the back-cage of The Wraith, re--attach the second arm, and find the best way to attach the rods to the axle-housing.

Here is how I did it.

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I have tested it, bashed the Wraith quite seriously with an 8,5t BL Vector. It held. The Wraith's cornering has improverd dramatically, and torque-twist is also gone, despite the fact that I flipped the differentials to make the motor run CCW (as most stock motors do)

It is important to keep quite a bit of area around the ring-thingies, otherwise the copper might de-laminate. It hasn't happened yet, but one can never be too much on the safe-side. The glass-fibre is strong enough. And when it breaks? Well, circuit board is about $8.- for a 10x10" piece ,and You can make oodles of arms from it. It's very easy to cut&grind, although, given the dusty nature of it, I did all grinding outside..with a filter-mask too. Glass-fibre dust cannot be healthy.

As a finishing-touch, You can paint the arms and scribble some logo on it or put a small sticker/logo on it or something. I leave that to Your imagination.

I sprayed mine flat black with a rattle-can. looks hella-professional :)

Here's how it looks now:

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great job , the torque twist looks terrible when you give the truck a blast on some flat ground . To cure that it would be great . Just curious why you put the sway ends in the shock mount holes and moved the shocks ? did it all line up better ? how is the crawling ability with them ? , I guess the ultimate would be a disconnect like the 1:1 have , I was thinking of a boat motor collett and 2 flat spots on the shaft cut in the middle.
 
I put the mounts where they are because I couldn't fit them on the inside, as I originally wanted.
The right side rod end fit fine, but the left one got constantly stuck between the pumpkin and the shock-mount. If fitted to the outside, the fit with the sway-arm i.c.w the shocks became problematic. When using non-flipped lower shock-mounts, it could fit . Edit: flipping the mounts to their original direction indeed made it possible to fit 3-racing threaded ball-studs on the inside( pumpkin-side) and leave the shocks at their stock position. as a bonus, I can now simply pop-off one turnbuckle for better crawling. I also copied the shape of RockLocks, made 6cm long arms, and drilled 4 holes in the end to have some adjustment options.

I guess when one would use a thinner rod and/or smaller rod-ends on the axle side, it would juuust barely fit.

I am already thinking about a quick-release for the sway-bar. Crawling isn't very good with it. It is pretty stiff, great for running at speed, not so for crawling.. Some thinner sway-bar, or longer rocker-arms could fix that. It's a balancing-act, as all tweaks are. :)
 
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Thnx dudes! "thumbsup"

The longer arms (6cm) made it possible to choose a somewhat softer setting, without changing the torsion-bar. I got a good median between speed&crawling.

The improvement in road-holding is amazing. Thinking about dual-rate sway-bars now.

This is how my fake-Rocklocks/Antirocks look..

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Articulation is fine:

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3-racing threaded ball-studs fit fine when the shockmounts are in stock position:

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Hope this helps. :)
 
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I've use the circuit board material for other oddball projects, and the only issue I see here, is the possibility of the copper de-laminating from the fiberboard, it is not adheared that well. They look great! I'd be tempted to make a faux set that actually pivoted freely in the center for scale purposes, as I don't want to add any sway bay action to mine.
 
I was worried about the de-laminating too, but it has not happened yet, after 10 to 12 packs.
I guess it all depends on the quality of the circuit-board. I just got lucky these cheap boards are bonded so well.

I had other board once, and I could sortof "peel-back"the copper, but this board..didn't work whatsoever. not even slivers .

If I want the board without the copper (like for shock-towers, strengthening chassis, and such) I had to resort to carefully grinding it away.
 
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