Questions for Gun Control Advocates

[NoobCrawler]

The ban of Muslims is a but extreme move(hmm..who else jumps to extreme suggestions when something bad happens? Oh that's right, Obama & Hillary). But there is a point in there to be made. But, in the same breath, we already have more than enough ISIS sympathizers/full blown here now. Plus, the ban could give some people the push they need...it sucks.

But Trumps ban sure sounds like the 'assault' rifle ban so many liberals jump behind. Because some do bad, let's get them all! Yet, they're the ones shaking their finger at Trump and saying "shame on you!". Much like mass shootings, or shootings in general, I don't believe there is a feasible way to stop ISIS. Bad people will always do bad things, just like bad people will always get guns. It's a crappy reality, but it's our reality.

 

[Robbob]

'murica!


Immigration is what this country was founded on, so yes, we are unlike any other nation on the planet. We were meant to be the shining example for the world of an open society where everyone was welcome, we always have been. If you don't like that, I'm sure you can find the door...

It may be what this country was founded and built on but times have changed.

Did we ban German's entering after WW2? Or the Japanese after WW2?

World War II Enemy Alien Control Program Overview

Not ban but we sure didn't open the doors saying come on in either.
Did a better job then it seems of trying to protect American people then what they are doing now.

 

[NoobCrawler]

This is also unconstitutional, but since you're American you don't know the constitution and it's view of punishment. Maybe we need more educated Americans... :roll::shock:

While I agree with the majority of what you said, I'm not sure why you expect people to know the Constitution when the Left in gov't doesn't. Speaking specifically of 2-our right to bear arms, specifically. I know I can't without a permission slip from the gov't parents. That sure sounds pretty unconstitutional to me. If I walked down the street with my gun showing on my hip, I'd get stopped and in the least, probably lose my gun. At most, I'd be arrested.

 

[binaryterror]

World War II Enemy Alien Control Program Overview

Not ban but we sure didn't open the doors saying come on in either.
Did a better job then it seems of trying to protect American people then what they are doing now.

This was during wartime, aliens were taken from civilian life and held in INS camps. They were released and allowed to become citizens after the war and even credited time in the camps as time living here.

America isn't at war with a country like it was in WW2, just an organization. I'm all for finding ISIS members here and placing them in similar camps, that's not cruel or unusual. I doubt our intelligence agencies could find 2% of all those ISIS members here though. Our intelligence agencies are just not working.

To say all Muslims, or all Syrians are ISIS though, that is just ignorance the media wants to sell. Sadly, it looks like there are plenty of buyers.

 

[binaryterror]

While I agree with the majority of what you said, I'm not sure why you expect people to know the Constitution when the Left in gov't doesn't.

They do, they interpret it differently is all. And sadly that's how legal things work. Interpretations.

I expect every American to know because of 1 simple fact. When you are an immigrant and come here you have to know it to become a US citizen.

Just being born here doesn't mean you get a free pass on knowing the constitution and its protections.

Speaking specifically of 2-our right to bear arms, specifically. I know I can't without a permission slip from the gov't parents.

You can buy any sort of Long Gun second hand without any governmental permissions.

That sure sounds pretty unconstitutional to me.

I disagree, it still allows you and I to own guns. You just have to do all of 15 minutes worth of work. It doesn't disallow you from owning a gun if you pass the very easy to pass background check. And the 2nd never states "Right to bear arms, without any checks or balances on your criminal background". It is left open ended - this is the interpretation issue.

If I walked down the street with my gun showing on my hip, I'd get stopped and in the least, probably lose my gun. At most, I'd be arrested.

That is your state. In my state, and many others, I can open carry any legally owned pistol on my hip, I can also strap on a long gun and walk around with that. Open Carry is a state mandated law. The federal government (held to the Constitution) has no law against open carry or concealed carry.

I prefer to never open carry. It allows people to know I have a gun and a chance to try to steal it. Additionally open gives a mass shooter a target of who to hit first to take out his threats. Concealed, only I know I'm carrying.

 

[Highmark]

Ban new Muslims from importing. I say we stop all people from importing, but Muslims are a great start.

We let anybody and everybody import with weak background checks. Try doing that in other countries.

What are these people importing? Cheap Chinese goods? Textiles? Please say it's not textiles! Also, how can we tell the new Muslims from the old Muslims?

 

[JatoTheRipper]

Reality? You keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means.

I'm sure they do. Since they were the indigenous people, and were overrun by European immigrants...

Completely different situation. Syrians are not walking en mass to our borders.

Guilt trip much? As far as those "immigrants", one was a natural born citizen.

ISIS has a quite broad and complex plan with specific goals. If all you know is the obvious, I'd suggest you do more research before discussing it.

Maybe we should take all the guns away, and then sometime in the future, when all the craziness has stopped, we'll let people have them again. We need to get control before things get worse. Sound good?

Yes, reality.

I'm all for legal immigration of people that want to contribute to this society. Some of our best doctors, engineers, etc. are immigrants. I'm not for a hostile takeover of the country like our forefathers did to the Indians. I don't think taking over a territory by war is the same as immigration, but apparently you do.

Syrians are not coming en mass? Well that's what Obama wants to happen! Do you not pay attention to his plan to accept at least 10,000 refugees over the next year alone? And for some reason he doesn't want stricter background checks to prevent terrorists from entering. He claims the system we have in place is good enough and catches terrorists which is laughable.

Not a guilt trip at all. I presented a situation that just might happen. Deflect all you want.

I don't give a **** if you know more about ISIS than I do. What I do know is that they don't like Americans unless we're Muslim and they will do everything to convert or exterminate us. That's enough for me to dislike them.

Yeah take guns away now when we need them most. Guns aren't the problem. They never were and never will be. Those pulling the trigger are the issue. So no, that's not reality at all.

I am from a country where muslim population is 14.2% according to current statistics.

Over the years I have experienced somethings which most of you are not aware of and have not experienced. Some of you might be aware of but won't speak due to being labelled as racist. I won't go into it because people cannot understand such things through words. Experiencing it brings out the fine details and real picture.

However ...

There were 2 events in India.
1) Mumbai blast
2) France type killing in Mumbai

When the terrorists involved in these two events were given death sentence by our judical system, the whole muslim community gathered (several thousands) at that place moaning and pleading for their release. They even used bad words towards India, burnt police vehicles, stone pelting. Several petitions were filled in court to free them. Some muslim women tried to marry them so that they were given a mercy freedom or case lengthened.

These were muslims that are considered as our own by all Indians and yet when time comes they don't flinch to spit right into the face of a country that gave them everything.

Sometimes keeping humane feelings aside and being aware of the type of enemy, is more important then having a blanket of social delussion cover the mind.
After being aware, we all have the common sense to come to the right conclussion.

Thank you for sharing that. It summarizes a lot of what needs to be said.

What are these people importing? Cheap Chinese goods? Textiles? Please say it's not textiles! Also, how can we tell the new Muslims from the old Muslims?

Thanks for catching that. Substitute immigrating in place of importing.

 

[Highmark]

World War II Enemy Alien Control Program Overview

Not ban but we sure didn't open the doors saying come on in either.
Did a better job then it seems of trying to protect American people then what they are doing now.

Never in my life did I think I would see someone using the internment camps of WWII as a means "protecting the American people". Do people not understand what an ugly chapter of history this was? I mean from your own link:

Many others were interned based on weak evidence or unsubstantiated accusations of which they were never told or had little power to refute.

Few, if any, of those deported received any sort of a hearing so many did not know the specific reasons for their deportation. Often these individuals were deported based on hearsay or for other political reasons.

 

[59sled]

Ok, Stupid question time.

Remember that I am clueless when it comes to guns. But I do believe we have the right to arm ourselves.

What if there was a once a year background check for ammunition done by the place you buy ammo. You give your store/place of ammo purchase a list of your registered guns.
If you try to buy ammo for a gun that is not on your registered gun list then they run another background check before you can buy that type of ammo.

Or what if you are only allotted a certain amount of ammo a year based on your average of sells done at your registered ammo store.

If you try to go to another store to get ammo, then that store has to get the list of your registered guns and run a new background check on you and verify that that list of guns is registered to you.

Maybe this will keep the hoodlums from getting ammo for guns that are stolen.
Or terrorist/mass murders from getting excess supply of ammo.

Yes I know there is always a way they will just get ammo off the street from someone who has their guns registered. But will this help slow down the killing rate?

You can tell me how stupid it is. Just throwing ideas out there.

 

[The Violator]

I am from a country where muslim population is 14.2% according to current statistics.

Over the years I have experienced somethings which most of you are not aware of and have not experienced. Some of you might be aware of but won't speak due to being labelled as racist. I won't go into it because people cannot understand such things through words. Experiencing it brings out the fine details and real picture.

However ...

There were 2 events in India.
1) Mumbai blast
2) France type killing in Mumbai

When the terrorists involved in these two events were given death sentence by our judical system, the whole muslim community gathered (several thousands) at that place moaning and pleading for their release. They even used bad words towards India, burnt police vehicles, stone pelting. Several petitions were filled in court to free them. Some muslim women tried to marry them so that they were given a mercy freedom or case lengthened.

These were muslims that are considered as our own by all Indians and yet when time comes they don't flinch to spit right into the face of a country that gave them everything.

Sometimes keeping humane feelings aside and being aware of the type of enemy, is more important then having a blanket of social delussion cover the mind.
After being aware, we all have the common sense to come to the right conclussion.

Liberals ignore facts because it does not support their agenda.

 

[Jus]

Ok, Stupid question time.

Remember that I am clueless when it comes to guns. But I do believe we have the right to arm ourselves.

What if there was a once a year background check for ammunition done by the place you buy ammo. You give your store/place of ammo purchase a list of your registered guns.
If you try to buy ammo for a gun that is not on your registered gun list then they run another background check before you can buy that type of ammo.

Or what if you are only allotted a certain amount of ammo a year based on your average of sells done at your registered ammo store.

If you try to go to another store to get ammo, then that store has to get the list of your registered guns and run a new background check on you and verify that that list of guns is registered to you.

Maybe this will keep the hoodlums from getting ammo for guns that are stolen.
Or terrorist/mass murders from getting excess supply of ammo.

Yes I know there is always a way they will just get ammo off the street from someone who has their guns registered. But will this help slow down the killing rate?

You can tell me how stupid it is. Just throwing ideas out there.

The only people that would follow that are law abiding citizens. And it would be a giant PITA and it would accomplish nothing. First off registration always leads to confiscation eventually. Not happening. I'll never register anything and no one else should either if they are smart enough.

 

[Robbob]

Never in my life did I think I would see someone using the internment camps of WWII as a means "protecting the American people". Do people not understand what an ugly chapter of history this was? I mean from your own link:

Oh Im not saying it was or is the right thing to do but when someone is trying to hurt you do you just open the doors and say come on in?

Our country is blaming guns ..... at a time when the first things to get cut in any budget is education and mental health care.

Our country (and others now) is being terrorized from inside our own boarders.

And our government is saying - hey we built this country on immigration over 100 years ago so just keep coming in. We'll dust ya off and run a background check on ya, the American people will be safe.

Times have changed.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I'm all for legal immigration of people that want to contribute to this society. Some of our best doctors, engineers, etc. are immigrants. I'm not for a hostile takeover of the country like our forefathers did to the Indians. I don't think taking over a territory by war is the same as immigration, but apparently you do.

So how do you separate out those that want to be a part of this society from those that want to harm it? Not all or even most Muslims are terrorists.

Syrians are not coming en mass? Well that's what Obama wants to happen! Do you not pay attention to his plan to accept at least 10,000 refugees over the next year alone?

Do you not pay attention to how many middle easterners we already allow to immigrate into the US? Roughly 30,000. Adding 10,000 more isn't a big deal. Europe has taken in over ten times that much this year.

I don't give a **** if you know more about ISIS than I do.

This isn't about me and you, this is about you not knowing what you're talking about. Even my dog knows ISIS is about death and destruction. Take the extra step and find out why...

Yeah take guns away now when we need them most. Guns aren't the problem. They never were and never will be. Those pulling the trigger are the issue. So no, that's not reality at all.

You completely missed the point there.

 

[Robbob]

What if there was a once a year background check for ammunition done by the place you buy ammo. You give your store/place of ammo purchase a list of your registered guns.
If you try to buy ammo for a gun that is not on your registered gun list then they run another background check before you can buy that type of ammo.

Or what if you are only allotted a certain amount of ammo a year based on your average of sells done at your registered ammo store.

If you try to go to another store to get ammo, then that store has to get the list of your registered guns and run a new background check on you and verify that that list of guns is registered to you.

Maybe this will keep the hoodlums from getting ammo for guns that are stolen.
Or terrorist/mass murders from getting excess supply of ammo.

Yes I know there is always a way they will just get ammo off the street from someone who has their guns registered. But will this help slow down the killing rate?

You can tell me how stupid it is. Just throwing ideas out there.

Criminals will still get bullets the same way they get the guns. Civilians will be driving all around trying to buy ammo. Whos it hurting more?

My state requires you to have an Ammo certificate now. It was one of the new laws written when they threw out increased background checks after Sandy Hook.

 

[67mustang]

Just keep watching the show. Trump has a tendency to be proven correct. We just suffered a combo imported/homegrown jihadi attack from a middle class muslim family and everyone apparently still think we can live in harmony. We WILL have another attack...and another after that. If you dont think this will get worse you are lying to yourself.

At least liberals and conservatives can get along in the same neighborhoods and coffee shops and celebrate the American Life and pursue the American Dream without trying to kill each other over their beliefs.

This muslim family killed the whole office at the xmas party. Thats pretty extreme. Like Trump said. Americans want jobs and want to be protected. Everything else is politics. If the Democrats fail us in security...people will vote for the one who will keep us safe...and lets remember ISIS didnt exist 2 years ago.

Just saw mounted police protecting the children visiting the mall santa. Omg, with gunz.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Just keep watching the show. Trump has a tendency to be proven correct.

 

[67mustang]

I wouldn't expect a 42 year old duuuude living with his mother in law to have anything to lose anyway. But I totally expect him to have an appropriate meme ready at a moments notice.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I wouldn't expect a 42 year old duuuude living with his mother in law to have anything to lose anyway. But I totally expect him to have an appropriate meme ready at a moments notice.

It's more work than you think. On both points. :ror:

If you've got a list of things that Trump has been right about, I'd love to see it.

 

[67mustang]

It's more work than you think.

LOL. Ok dude. Thats why you never leave this site. Cuz you are workin.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

LOL. Ok dude. Thats why you never leave this site. Cuz you are workin.

Here's my work schedule:

Wed-Fri and sometimes Sat: continuing my 20yr long career.
Sat-Mon: DCW
Tues: can go either way


If you're done diverting the convo, let's get back to Trump.