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Rest in PEACE senator
- Thread starter Frank211
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As a hardlined conservative, I didn't always agree with his centrist views, but I had tremendous respect for him. He was a war hero, a man that suffered unimaginable amounts for his country, and served it in one form or another for most of his life. Godspeed Senator McCain.
WHITE-TRASH
I wanna be Dave
He must have been a good guy at some point in his life so I'll just say there is one less Rino roaming around dc now.
CREEPERBOB
Yashua
Meh
Peaker
Rock Crawler
Going strait back to the Hanoi Hilton.
Ignoring politics (which should be ignored at times like these):
Under the encyclopedic definition of American Patriot should be placed the name:
John McCain
R.I.P.
(from a fellow veteran and son of a career military officer who served 2 tours in Vietnam)
I highlighted words below that help define his courage, bravery, and loyalty and challenge anyone to put themselves in his shoes and imagine going through all that this man endured.
McCain requested a combat assignment, and was assigned to the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal flying A-4 Skyhawks. His combat duty began when he was 30 years old in mid-1967, when Forrestal was assigned to a bombing campaign, Operation Rolling Thunder, during the Vietnam War.
On July 29, 1967, McCain was a lieutenant commander when he was near the epicenter of the USS Forrestal fire. He escaped from his burning jet and was trying to help another pilot escape when a bomb exploded; McCain was struck in the legs and chest by fragments. The ensuing fire killed 134 sailors and took 24 hours to control. With the Forrestal out of commission, McCain volunteered for assignment with the USS Oriskany, another aircraft carrier employed in Operation Rolling Thunder. Once there, he would be awarded the Navy Commendation Medal and the Bronze Star Medal for missions flown over North Vietnam.
McCain's capture and subsequent imprisonment occurred on October 26, 1967. He was flying his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a missile over Hanoi. McCain fractured both arms and a leg when he ejected from the aircraft, and nearly drowned after he parachuted into Trúc Bạch Lake. Some North Vietnamese pulled him ashore, then others crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt and bayoneted him. McCain was then transported to Hanoi's main Hỏa Lò Prison, nicknamed the "Hanoi Hilton".
Although McCain was seriously wounded and injured, his captors refused to treat him. They beat and interrogated him to get information, and he was given medical care only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was an admiral. His status as a prisoner of war (POW) made the front pages of major newspapers.
McCain spent six weeks in the hospital, where he received marginal care. He had lost 50 pounds (23 kg), was in a chest cast, and his gray hair had turned as white as snow. McCain was sent to a different camp on the outskirts of Hanoi. In December 1967, McCain was placed in a cell with two other Americans who did not expect him to live more than a week. In March 1968, McCain was placed into solitary confinement, where he would remain for two years.
In mid-1968, his father John S. McCain Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes, and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially. McCain refused repatriation unless every man taken in before him was also released. Such early release was prohibited by the POWs' interpretation of the military Code of Conduct which states in Article III: "I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy". To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.
Beginning in August 1968, McCain was subjected to a program of severe torture. He was bound and beaten every two hours; this punishment occurred at the same time that he was suffering from dysentery. Further injuries brought McCain to "the point of suicide," but his preparations were interrupted by guards. Eventually, McCain made an anti-U.S. propaganda "confession". He had always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later wrote, "I had learned what we all learned over there: every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine." Many U.S. POWs were tortured and maltreated in order to extract "confessions" and propaganda statements; virtually all of them eventually yielded something to their captors. McCain received two to three beatings weekly because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.
McCain refused to meet various anti-war groups seeking peace in Hanoi, wanting to give neither them nor the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory. From late 1969, treatment of McCain and many of the other POWs became more tolerable, while McCain continued actively to resist the camp authorities. McCain and other prisoners cheered the U.S. "Christmas Bombing" campaign of December 1972, viewing it as a forceful measure to push North Vietnam to terms.
McCain was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for five and a half years until his release on March 14, 1973. His wartime injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head. After his release from the Hanoi Hilton, McCain returned to the site with his wife Cindy and family on a few occasions to come to grips with what happened to him there during his capture.
Under the encyclopedic definition of American Patriot should be placed the name:
John McCain
R.I.P.
(from a fellow veteran and son of a career military officer who served 2 tours in Vietnam)
I highlighted words below that help define his courage, bravery, and loyalty and challenge anyone to put themselves in his shoes and imagine going through all that this man endured.
McCain requested a combat assignment, and was assigned to the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal flying A-4 Skyhawks. His combat duty began when he was 30 years old in mid-1967, when Forrestal was assigned to a bombing campaign, Operation Rolling Thunder, during the Vietnam War.
On July 29, 1967, McCain was a lieutenant commander when he was near the epicenter of the USS Forrestal fire. He escaped from his burning jet and was trying to help another pilot escape when a bomb exploded; McCain was struck in the legs and chest by fragments. The ensuing fire killed 134 sailors and took 24 hours to control. With the Forrestal out of commission, McCain volunteered for assignment with the USS Oriskany, another aircraft carrier employed in Operation Rolling Thunder. Once there, he would be awarded the Navy Commendation Medal and the Bronze Star Medal for missions flown over North Vietnam.
McCain's capture and subsequent imprisonment occurred on October 26, 1967. He was flying his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a missile over Hanoi. McCain fractured both arms and a leg when he ejected from the aircraft, and nearly drowned after he parachuted into Trúc Bạch Lake. Some North Vietnamese pulled him ashore, then others crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt and bayoneted him. McCain was then transported to Hanoi's main Hỏa Lò Prison, nicknamed the "Hanoi Hilton".
Although McCain was seriously wounded and injured, his captors refused to treat him. They beat and interrogated him to get information, and he was given medical care only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was an admiral. His status as a prisoner of war (POW) made the front pages of major newspapers.
McCain spent six weeks in the hospital, where he received marginal care. He had lost 50 pounds (23 kg), was in a chest cast, and his gray hair had turned as white as snow. McCain was sent to a different camp on the outskirts of Hanoi. In December 1967, McCain was placed in a cell with two other Americans who did not expect him to live more than a week. In March 1968, McCain was placed into solitary confinement, where he would remain for two years.
In mid-1968, his father John S. McCain Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes, and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially. McCain refused repatriation unless every man taken in before him was also released. Such early release was prohibited by the POWs' interpretation of the military Code of Conduct which states in Article III: "I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy". To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.
Beginning in August 1968, McCain was subjected to a program of severe torture. He was bound and beaten every two hours; this punishment occurred at the same time that he was suffering from dysentery. Further injuries brought McCain to "the point of suicide," but his preparations were interrupted by guards. Eventually, McCain made an anti-U.S. propaganda "confession". He had always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later wrote, "I had learned what we all learned over there: every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine." Many U.S. POWs were tortured and maltreated in order to extract "confessions" and propaganda statements; virtually all of them eventually yielded something to their captors. McCain received two to three beatings weekly because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.
McCain refused to meet various anti-war groups seeking peace in Hanoi, wanting to give neither them nor the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory. From late 1969, treatment of McCain and many of the other POWs became more tolerable, while McCain continued actively to resist the camp authorities. McCain and other prisoners cheered the U.S. "Christmas Bombing" campaign of December 1972, viewing it as a forceful measure to push North Vietnam to terms.
McCain was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for five and a half years until his release on March 14, 1973. His wartime injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head. After his release from the Hanoi Hilton, McCain returned to the site with his wife Cindy and family on a few occasions to come to grips with what happened to him there during his capture.
To the person who “reported” comments on this thread already...
Please keep in mind
1. This is the chit chat section and barring nudity and a select other issues, it’s open posting here. Thin skin on comments will never fair well.
2. Politics and religion are two issues that will forever be controversial... here or anywhere..... and the best they are avoided is the better things will always be.
Wherever McCain was liked or disliked.... I guess I’d ask people at very least show some respect for the dead.
Please keep in mind
1. This is the chit chat section and barring nudity and a select other issues, it’s open posting here. Thin skin on comments will never fair well.
2. Politics and religion are two issues that will forever be controversial... here or anywhere..... and the best they are avoided is the better things will always be.
Wherever McCain was liked or disliked.... I guess I’d ask people at very least show some respect for the dead.
FB is going ape shit right now. As people get up this morning, I assume it will turn into a shit show all over the internet.
skinnyj
Pebble Pounder
I was not a fan of John McCain, the senator, but I get so sick of seeing "McCain started the Forrestal fire!!!" bullshit. Then you have all the keyboard warriors with their "Song-Bird McCain" idiocy. 9/10 of the people that post that stuff probably would have sung as soon as they had a muzzle stuck under their nose. :roll:
Amen!
Like McCain or not he was a man who fought for his country. Not many will ever survive what he has nor accomplish what he did.
RIP Mr. McCain
WHITE-TRASH
I wanna be Dave
If he come back from Vietnam and had a normal life he'd forever be a hero to most everyone. Instead he came home and spent the rest of his life trying to destroy the country from within its government. For that lifetime of disservice his POW years do not erase.
Rest your oars shipmate, we have the watch...
Natedog
I wanna be Dave
"thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup"
Everyone does something disliked by someone. He was an honorable soldier and man who kept his good ethics and honor to the end. Rest in Peace John.
Yes, most the sissies these days couldn't even survive modern basic military training. "thumbsup"
X2 "thumbsup"
Peaker
Rock Crawler
I can sort of caught in between a rock and a hard place here, i totally respect the Americans that came over here and bailed my peoples ass out from under Hitlers thumb.
But i dont say Danish soldiers have fought for Denmark in Iraq - Afghanistan and where ever we have been or are ( alongside our American friends )
Cuz the way i look at it no threat to Denmark have come out of those places that could not just as well have come from right here and from people as Danish as you can ever be.
So i say Danish soldiers have been fighting for Danish interests in some places, often interests the general public are unaware of, or are illegitimate reasons like Sadams weapons of mass destruction.
And while we are legally at war in those places then Danes going there and fighting on our enemy's side, well they dont get shot under military rule that i would assume when we are at war with some one.
But no, most times those people just get back here after the adventure ended, and they might be offered some BS silly course or something.
Totally a insult to a person like me looking at things like i do.
Most people go to war and die for / with their "brother" standing next to them, it often have little with national feelings i think.
I am sure back when Danes was a even larger force to be reckoned with, they dident go to war / on raid for the king / chieftain at home, they went to war for the promise of lugging some form of loot home to little old Denmark.
And i am happy to see my maybe ill placed joke above have been taken for what it is.
I know what John when thru in Hanoi, and i probably know more than most Danes when it come to what went down on both sides in the mess that was the Vietnam war.
War "hero" - War participant or what ever, i dont like any man that make politics a lifetime deal, it is my firm belief that any country suffer for politicians sitting in power for too long, we really need to change that.
But i will respect any man wanting to make a change the legitimate way, and then succeed or fail, and then step back so another man can give it a go.
But CA glue your ass to a parliament seat,,,,, thats no good.
But i dont say Danish soldiers have fought for Denmark in Iraq - Afghanistan and where ever we have been or are ( alongside our American friends )
Cuz the way i look at it no threat to Denmark have come out of those places that could not just as well have come from right here and from people as Danish as you can ever be.
So i say Danish soldiers have been fighting for Danish interests in some places, often interests the general public are unaware of, or are illegitimate reasons like Sadams weapons of mass destruction.
And while we are legally at war in those places then Danes going there and fighting on our enemy's side, well they dont get shot under military rule that i would assume when we are at war with some one.
But no, most times those people just get back here after the adventure ended, and they might be offered some BS silly course or something.
Totally a insult to a person like me looking at things like i do.
Most people go to war and die for / with their "brother" standing next to them, it often have little with national feelings i think.
I am sure back when Danes was a even larger force to be reckoned with, they dident go to war / on raid for the king / chieftain at home, they went to war for the promise of lugging some form of loot home to little old Denmark.
And i am happy to see my maybe ill placed joke above have been taken for what it is.
I know what John when thru in Hanoi, and i probably know more than most Danes when it come to what went down on both sides in the mess that was the Vietnam war.
War "hero" - War participant or what ever, i dont like any man that make politics a lifetime deal, it is my firm belief that any country suffer for politicians sitting in power for too long, we really need to change that.
But i will respect any man wanting to make a change the legitimate way, and then succeed or fail, and then step back so another man can give it a go.
But CA glue your ass to a parliament seat,,,,, thats no good.
