soundcolor
Rock Crawler
Let me preface all of this by saying there will be no video, or pics... we were to busy crawling and by the time we got around to taking pics, my battery was dead... So, lets first give a breakdown of the specs of each rig, and then we'll get to the comparo.
Soundcolor rig
Full miXer chassis
RcBros 'red' shocks (50wt oil)
Losi mini slider motor (factory spur gear, dual heatsinks)
stock electronics
stock battery (split into 4 cells on rear axle, and 2 in center of chassis)
Hitech 645 servo
RcBros servo arm
custom steering links
stock axles
Losi steel lockers (front/rear/center)
Axial 1.9 8 hole beadlocks
Pro-line Flat Irons G8
MrEd's rig
Kamakazi Kustoms chassis
MLST shocks (white springs, 20wt oil)
Insane 370 motor
micro sidewinder esc
futaba reciever
Hitech 645 servo
stock steering links
stock axles
Losi steel lockers (front/rear/center0
Axial 1.9 8 hole beadlocks
Pro-line chisels
I guess now its time to break down perfomance by individual part and give a honest opinion about which is the better product. Hopefully it will give those of you out shopping a good idea of which is the better product.
Well, after about 2 hours at my little creekside rock course it became apparant. His chisels are the tire. The Flat-irons got the ground clearance, and thats about all. Those little micro-machine chisles are the shit. There is no comparison. Even tho they are small, they are killer. We each took turns with the chisels on our own rig and there is no doubt, that they ruled the day. They climbed better, sidehilled better and just flat stuck to whatever you put them on.
Advantage MrEd
Motor, it became obvious early on (due in part to an impromptu drag race... with rock crawlers) as to which motor was the one to have. Both had all the torque needed to get up and over anything, but without a doubt, the mini slider motor stomped the insane 370 all the way up the street and back down. I would rate them about equal as to overall torque, but there was no doubt, the slider is faster.
Advantage Soundcolor
Electronics.
As far as this goes, all I can really say is it was pretty well a wash, he had the more expensive electronics, and his radio was waaayyyyyy cooler, but that micro sidewinder really needs a drag brake that works. There was one hill descent in particular where my rig easily, and slowly creeped down under complete control, where as the the sidewinder had alot of problems with excess speed. However, it really is a wash here because while mine had a great drag brake, his ultimatly excersises a greater amount of control over his hole system. As for the the reciever, its really a wash here too. Sooooo,
Advantage... EVEN
Suspension setup
There was no doubt and it did not take long for it to become apparant that his springs were killing him. My full droop setup is low, and moves really well... Other than that tho, it really breaks down to the actuall shocks themselves, at which point I personally have to give the go ahead to the RcBros shocks soley because of their customization ability, you can fine tune these things till you are blue in the face. The MLST shocks are extermely good, and are just as capable as the RcBros, its just they dont have the fine-tuning ability as the RcBros
Advantage soundcolor
And the moment we have all been waiting for, which chassis is better.
I am going to call this a wash. They are both outstanding, and there is not doubt they stomp the stock chassis so hard its not even worth comparing.
The mixer chassis does have a huge tendency to get hung up on the skid, its just the nature of the beast, and running a full droop only makes the problem more apparent. On the other hand, the KK zero has a huge glaring problem that cant be overlooked. Becuase of how the upper links mount to the servo plates it allows alot of side-to-side movement, which can cause some sidehilling problems as well as for the chassis to want to get out of line. On a whole tho, I would honestly recommend either one, they are both killer.
Both RcBros and Kamakazi Kustoms should be proud of their chassis, they are without a doubt awsome.
Now, I will leave this open for Mr.Ed to add his comments.
Soundcolor rig
Full miXer chassis
RcBros 'red' shocks (50wt oil)
Losi mini slider motor (factory spur gear, dual heatsinks)
stock electronics
stock battery (split into 4 cells on rear axle, and 2 in center of chassis)
Hitech 645 servo
RcBros servo arm
custom steering links
stock axles
Losi steel lockers (front/rear/center)
Axial 1.9 8 hole beadlocks
Pro-line Flat Irons G8
MrEd's rig
Kamakazi Kustoms chassis
MLST shocks (white springs, 20wt oil)
Insane 370 motor
micro sidewinder esc
futaba reciever
Hitech 645 servo
stock steering links
stock axles
Losi steel lockers (front/rear/center0
Axial 1.9 8 hole beadlocks
Pro-line chisels
I guess now its time to break down perfomance by individual part and give a honest opinion about which is the better product. Hopefully it will give those of you out shopping a good idea of which is the better product.
Well, after about 2 hours at my little creekside rock course it became apparant. His chisels are the tire. The Flat-irons got the ground clearance, and thats about all. Those little micro-machine chisles are the shit. There is no comparison. Even tho they are small, they are killer. We each took turns with the chisels on our own rig and there is no doubt, that they ruled the day. They climbed better, sidehilled better and just flat stuck to whatever you put them on.
Advantage MrEd
Motor, it became obvious early on (due in part to an impromptu drag race... with rock crawlers) as to which motor was the one to have. Both had all the torque needed to get up and over anything, but without a doubt, the mini slider motor stomped the insane 370 all the way up the street and back down. I would rate them about equal as to overall torque, but there was no doubt, the slider is faster.
Advantage Soundcolor
Electronics.
As far as this goes, all I can really say is it was pretty well a wash, he had the more expensive electronics, and his radio was waaayyyyyy cooler, but that micro sidewinder really needs a drag brake that works. There was one hill descent in particular where my rig easily, and slowly creeped down under complete control, where as the the sidewinder had alot of problems with excess speed. However, it really is a wash here because while mine had a great drag brake, his ultimatly excersises a greater amount of control over his hole system. As for the the reciever, its really a wash here too. Sooooo,
Advantage... EVEN
Suspension setup
There was no doubt and it did not take long for it to become apparant that his springs were killing him. My full droop setup is low, and moves really well... Other than that tho, it really breaks down to the actuall shocks themselves, at which point I personally have to give the go ahead to the RcBros shocks soley because of their customization ability, you can fine tune these things till you are blue in the face. The MLST shocks are extermely good, and are just as capable as the RcBros, its just they dont have the fine-tuning ability as the RcBros
Advantage soundcolor
And the moment we have all been waiting for, which chassis is better.
I am going to call this a wash. They are both outstanding, and there is not doubt they stomp the stock chassis so hard its not even worth comparing.
The mixer chassis does have a huge tendency to get hung up on the skid, its just the nature of the beast, and running a full droop only makes the problem more apparent. On the other hand, the KK zero has a huge glaring problem that cant be overlooked. Becuase of how the upper links mount to the servo plates it allows alot of side-to-side movement, which can cause some sidehilling problems as well as for the chassis to want to get out of line. On a whole tho, I would honestly recommend either one, they are both killer.
Both RcBros and Kamakazi Kustoms should be proud of their chassis, they are without a doubt awsome.
Now, I will leave this open for Mr.Ed to add his comments.
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