steering angles.

[hoghead5150]

ok put on strc aluminum c hubs and knuckles. got the aluminum link upgrade also. the problem is steering. this thing has the turning radius of a surburban towing an airstream!!!

how do you get a decent amount of steering angle in these things? i know i need a new servo, the stock one sucks, but even with the stock one it will turn sharp enough that the knuckles tie rod arm almost hits the screw head on the c hub, and the other tire will rub the lower suspension link.

i've searched here for 3 hours tonite, and really can't find much help on this. i've seen beef tubes ( can you still get these?) and talk of inboarding the links, but that won't stop the tie rod arm from hitting the c hub screws will it?

 

[larimorej]

look at this it will help RCCrawler.com- Your #1 source for Radio Controlled Rockcrawling!

 

[dstrbd1]

Theres a bunch of different things you can do to get a tighter turning radius.

-Upgrade Servo and longer horn
-Run radio that allows you to adjust endpoints
-Run overdrive / underive gears in axles helps alot and increases climbing performance also

These are just a few ways.

 

[romulus22]

Just look at peoples build threads, look at pictures and what parts they use.

 

[gunnar]

You can put flat head screws where the pan head screws go in the C's and get slightly more room to steer.

Stock dogbones have roughly 31 degrees of steering angle. You can modify these to get around 38-40 degrees of angle, with high steer knuckles.

Axial CVD's combined with high steer knucks will result in 41-42 degrees.

Super 300 CVD's have 50 degrees.

The XR-10 universals (used with longer beef tubes or cut down to fit in the stock housing) can net 60 to 70 degrees of steering.

 

[CmdrZod]

Just look at peoples build threads, look at pictures and what parts they use.

I think that you will like this build thread when it comes to steering!

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/axia...erground-crawlers-fastback-7.html#post3461968

Good luck!!

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Just look at peoples build threads, look at pictures and what parts they use.

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If you seriously searched for 3 hours and came up empty handed, you must not have been looking in this section. There aren't many AX10 builds going on (if any) that aren't using parts that increase steering angle. In fact, without backing up a page to look, I'll guarantee you that there are at least 6 going on right now, on the first page, that will show you those parts which you should easily be able to see and compare to your own.

edit: here's all the builds on the first page with better than stock steering...no searching required.

y-u-no-crawl

creationfab-resurrects-la-licorne-fatale

helheddeds-comp-shafty

c*h*u*ds-sporty

margouillat-sportsmann.html

 

[hoghead5150]

yeah duuuude, i've looked thru those builds. the problems i'm running into is most builds are using beef tubes. from what i can find they are no longer available. since this is my first ax10 i really don't know what they do, but after reading it seems that they can widen the track, and be drilled to set caster back after rotating the axle for pinion angle.

since i don't have beef tubes and don't think i can buy any, this cut my options down. another thing i'm seeing is that most builds don't really go into detail on their steering upgrades. i can see where the universal axles would help, like they did in my wraith, but i can't see them helping mine since the arms on the knuckles would hit the c hubs WAY before i even get close to maxing out the stock axles.

now with the mod of drilling the c hub, and countersinking the screw in, that's what i'm talking about! that will be done this week. i also read thru the K.O.M thread and like the idea of adding a little toe out to help with equal radius of both tires. i'm gonna figure this steering out, because this is gonna be my sporty rig!! and since your from arkansas i'm gonna show ya how an OKIE drives!!!

 

[Szczerba]

The beef tubes are back into production. Standard length and extended. Couple posts down in the section below.
Vendors Market - Axles, Trannys, T-case at RCCrawler.com
The standard ones offer a stronger mate between the knuckle C and the axle. Prone to break in that area. In addition to the adjustable caster. The longer beef tubes do the same thing but widen the axle out 1/2" on each side.

Also, look into the "high steer" knuckles. They move the steering arm up and out of the way of the "c" attachment point. As well as the steering link.
Just one company that makes them. ax10, hot racing, gh racing, ckrc
Google search images for "axial high steer knuckles"

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Beef Toobs do not change the amount of steering available. Knuckles with raised arms do. Look again at y-u-no-crawl again, he's using the Axial BTA kit with high steer arms. Actually, look at any of them...none use knuckles that keep the steering arm in the stock (center) location, and that is the key. A raised arm allows it and the tie rod to swing above everything that would normally be in the way.

 

[Szczerba]

Beef Toobs do not change the amount of steering available.

Not the standard ones but the longer beef tubes do!
Have you had too much booze and ham today?

The longer tubes move the wheels out 1/2" each side, thus creating more steering clearance.

If you would have linked MY axial build thread, you would have noticed that.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Not the standard ones but the longer beef tubes do!
Have you had too much booze and ham today?

The longer tubes move the wheels out 1/2" each side, thus creating more steering clearance.

If you would have linked MY axial build thread, you would have noticed that.

But you're not using stock AX10 configured knuckles, are you?

 

[Szczerba]

But you're not using stock AX10 configured knuckles, are you?

No, just pointing out your slight mis-remembering.

Ok, back on point. HogHead, find some high steer knuckles. Those would help you out some.

 

[Hittman]

I have the strc high steer knuckles and axial cvd's and get 51 degrees of steering"thumbsup" Definately worth the money to get cvd's they make a world of differance.

 

[Manning]

You can put flat head screws where the pan head screws go in the C's and get slightly more room to steer.

Stock dogbones have roughly 31 degrees of steering angle. You can modify these to get around 38-40 degrees of angle, with high steer knuckles.

Axial CVD's combined with high steer knucks will result in 41-42 degrees.

Super 300 CVD's have 50 degrees.

The XR-10 universals (used with longer beef tubes or cut down to fit in the stock housing) can net 60 to 70 degrees of steering.

this.

Don't worry about tires rubbing anything. They will flex.

1st mechanical limit is the stock dogbone/cup setup. If you are running the dogbones, all the other parts or mods will not help. Period.

So either get the cvd's (fair warning-- they are not as strong as the dogbones) and high steer knuckles, or convert to the XR10 setup. This takes a bit of fabbing. I'm running the XR10 setup without beef tubes. They are NOT mandatory to do this mod.

At this point you will need to up the epa's at the radio or alter the length of the servo horn.

 

[gunnar]

I have the strc high steer knuckles and axial cvd's and get 51 degrees of steering"thumbsup"

i'd like to see a pic of your CVD's next to a protractor, I highly doubt you can increase an Axial CVD's angle by 10 degrees, no matter what modifications are done to it. It might look like a lot, but the actual angle is 42 degrees max.

...The longer tubes move the wheels out 1/2" each side, thus creating more steering clearance....

The long tubes do increase the clearance, but it's the XR universal that creates more steering angle.

 

[Szczerba]

The long tubes do increase the clearance, but it's the XR universal that creates more steering angle.

I was just splitting hairs for Duuuuuuuude. Tough to catch him off his game!

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I was just splitting hairs for Duuuuuuuude. Tough to catch him off his game!

:mrgreen: I left yours out on purpose.

 

[hoghead5150]

looks like i will just deal with not being able to turn sharp for a while! guess i'll just have to break down and swap everything over to xr10 stuff. that will be later on, so until then i'll make a small sign that says WIDE TURN and run it on the back of my rig!!

 

[tim the toolman]

If you grind down your drive cups, and shave down the front of your c's where the screw goes, then countersink it and run a supershort countersink screw it will help out a LOT, and best all it's free:mrgreen:. Also put a bit of a bend in the tie rod so it will clear the diff pumpkin