wheelbase mesurement rule 6.4

[punkuup5150]

6.4 - Wheelbase: ​

is measured from center of axle nut to center of axle nut. The vehicle should be set down on a flat surface by the driver. The front wheel on the side that is being checked, must be pointing straight forward. At that time, the driver will then push the entire truck down to complete a full compressed suspension. Once full
compression has been made, the driver then releases the truck to return to ride height. After the truck has rebound to a self supporting ride height, a judge will then measure the wheelbase. If both sides are to be checked, all the above procedures must be duplicated.​

ok now i dont see a problem with how this is to be done but i do have a problem with how it will be iinforced. my biggest problem is the cheating that can and will most likely accure. most shocks have a preload coller. these are easly tuned up and down and will be able to bring the truck back to 12.5 wb but my problem is after teching the driver may go back to his pit and losen up the preloads. thus cheating in the new rules. there are many other reason why judgeing the wheel base this way could bring back other problems and id liek to hear what everyone thinks.

my solution to the "cheating" that may happen with this is marking the shock proload collers in some form or another. one solution i was considering was a small ziptie at the top of the preload coller. thinking of this i realized that the ziptie could easly be moved. so my new solution if it becomes a problem is to get some stickers, those little round dots we all used in school u attach it to the shock body and the preload coller if the sticker is broken it is easly idetifyed and the judge can call the penelty. im more or less thinking about the allready stressfull job for on course judges and whathell they are allready put through. my only other solution is to tech before and after every run. which is going to slow down large comps. i know ive been to many comps in my area with 50+ drivers these allready take allday this is going to drag them on even longer. but enough with my rant what does everyone else have to say about this.

disclaimer-
im not here bashing our rules members have done. i just think this opens alot of open ended problems that can happen and would like to find a solution and nip any problems in the bud now so we all can enjoy the rest of the year"thumbsup"

 

[joesbruiser]

IMHO it would be a very risky move to preload the truck for tech and then remove them for the courses.The Fact that a judge can at any time during your run stop time and have your truck checked will keep people from doing it.
The only thing is I know some trucks stretch more than others and I could see lots of people getting checked mid course that are legal and that could be a big break in concentration.

 

[rock hard]

I got adjustable shocks so that I can ADJUST them. depending on what challenges a course has to offer, some adjustment may be in order.

inp. befor each course-that would suck,but dont tell me I cant make adjustments.

 

[2JSC]

How much is the wheelbase going to change through a full compression really? If under full compress, your suspension is maxed and the wheelbase will likely be at the longest, why worry about it at ride height or even if the wheelbase changes? If anything, wheelbase should be measured at full compression and full droop, both of which have to be under the max length.

 

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

At no time should your wheelbase be over 12.5 sitting on a table. Set your rig up and drive it and quit crying about not be able to cheat.

 

[joesbruiser]

At no time should your wheelbase be over 12.5 sitting on a table. Set your rig up and drive it and quit crying about not be able to cheat.

The rule does not say that So its not cheating.As long as truck will measure 12.5 after being compressed and let go I do not see where it matters if it gets longer than 12.5.

 

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

The rule does not say that So its not cheating.As long as truck will measure 12.5 after being compressed and let go I do not see where it matters if it gets longer than 12.5.

After doing like the rule say it's 12.5, your golden."thumbsup"


Oh back at you:mrgreen:

 

[DwaneO]

The rule does not say that So its not cheating.As long as truck will measure 12.5 after being compressed and let go I do not see where it matters if it gets longer than 12.5.

BINGO........

If you got the resources , time , money .... set your truck up to pass tech , suck that winch down and DO WORK "thumbsup"

 

[Rockcrawler]

This is where the gears ratio in the axle is going to hold them apart unless you pull the pinion.

 

[joesbruiser]

After doing like the rule say it's 12.5, your golden."thumbsup"


Oh back at you:mrgreen:

You know we love yah but not in a funny way.
Someone has to give you a hard time.

 

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

You know we love yah but not in a funny way.
Someone has to give you a hard time.

I know and I can always count on you Joe.

 

[joesbruiser]

I know and I can always count on you Joe.

Always happy to help a brother out.

 

[Fishmaxx]

One way to stop post tech adjustments is to do what AWCC & Worlds did. They had tech table at every course.

When it your turn to run place the truck on the table, if you pass tech, hand the judge your scoresheet, place your truck on the line and go.

Pretty hard to cheat that :shock:

 

[TwistedCreations]

ok now i dont see a problem with how this is to be done but i do have a problem with how it will be iinforced. my biggest problem is the cheating that can and will most likely accure. most shocks have a preload coller. these are easly tuned up and down and will be able to bring the truck back to 12.5 wb but my problem is after teching the driver may go back to his pit and losen up the preloads. thus cheating in the new rules.

Do you honestly think that this does not happen now? It does and those that are going to cheat, will still find ways to do so, no matter what you do. That is unless you do tech before each course run.

The rule was put into place to do 1 thing. Make teching the WB a standard across the country. I have seen so many ways it has been measured. This way a driver, no matter what event, knows what to expect.

 

[punkuup5150]

Do you honestly think that this does not happen now? It does and those that are going to cheat, will still find ways to do so, no matter what you do. That is unless you do tech before each course run.

The rule was put into place to do 1 thing. Make teching the WB a standard across the country. I have seen so many ways it has been measured. This way a driver, no matter what event, knows what to expect.

I was just trying to think of other ways to help what could be a problem. I did say putting a tech station at every course in my first post I'm just thinking out side the box a little to help our judges and to speed up the comp a bit

 

[AlphaQup]

i run full droop, the rules don't say anything about checking a droop setup. will my rig be lifted up while the wheels are held down? I think the rules need to be changed to test droop. i have feeling i just opened up a new can-o-worms

 

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

i run full droop, the rules don't say anything about checking a droop setup. will my rig be lifted up while the wheels are held down? I think the rules need to be changed to test droop. i have feeling i just opened up a new can-o-worms

No you didn't ,set your rig down and push on it ,then measure it. The droop set up will be at it's max wheelbase for sure. You rasie a droop up and the wheelbase will get shorter."thumbsup"

 

[DwaneO]

If you truck gets longer when you lift it up , I dont think we have anything to worry about:mrgreen:

 

[Fishmaxx]

i run full droop, the rules don't say anything about checking a droop setup. will my rig be lifted up while the wheels are held down? I think the rules need to be changed to test droop. i have feeling i just opened up a new can-o-worms

No can of worms ....your trucks running wheelbase will be relatively close to what it would be teched at "thumbsup"

 

[rcjunky3]

One way to stop post tech adjustments is to do what AWCC & Worlds did. They had tech table at every course.

When it your turn to run place the truck on the table, if you pass tech, hand the judge your scoresheet, place your truck on the line and go.

Pretty hard to cheat that :shock:

yes but the manpower and level of competition at that type of event are so different than at a club level i dont see that being done on a regular basis.