ARK/LA/MISS Tough Truck Competition Class

[constantmotion]

We need to put our heads together and decide on some basic rules for our very own TTC. I have pulled my TR from the chopping block just to build me a new rig for this. I am itch to starting on something.

Wheel size restrictions?
Tire size restrictions?

[wrcfan29]

i'm in. I have been building a ttc style truck. scx frame, summit tranny, axial axles, and 2.2 rok lox

restrictions:
-2.2 rims
-scale tires (proline is coming out with interco supper swamppers!!!)

[wrcfan29]

[bbyrd22]

1.9 size only.
Wheel base to match scale bodies. Truggy wheelbase to be realistic. Should be no longer than scale bodies.

I'm sure those Oregon guys have a set of rules already. We could use them and alter them for our use.

I'm in. Been wanting to build another scaler, this may push me.

[constantmotion]

Here are the ORCRC 2009 TTC rules.

ALL TRUCKS MUST BE WITHIN 2009 MONTANA SCALE RULES TO COMPETE

1. Competitors will receive points based on their finish time or distance on each course. First place will receive 10 points, last place 1 point.

2. All scoring will go by time first. If competitors don't finish the course, they will be scored on distance covered.

3. If you roll your vehicle you must right it with your own winch. Time will continue as you do this. Each course will have a time limit.

4. Hitting marker cones will add 15 seconds (for each cone) to your time.

5. Going out of bounds will get you a DNF and your distance will be marked at that point.

6. No outside winching or strapping will be allowed. If your winch quits on a course you may replace it after your run, before you start your next course.

7. No modifications can be made during the competition. No tire/motor/gearing/shock/etc changes will be allowed. You may change your battery to any battery during the competition, and you may add weight to you rig for the truck pull, but you must be able to add/remove the extra weight in 10 seconds or less.

8. Run order for each course will be decided ahead of time. There will be a sheet printed out and posted that shows the run order for each course. You must be ready and waiting when it's your turn to run, anyone not ready to go within 30 seconds of when their name is called will receive a 0 for the course.

9. Vehicles must have a winch to be considered, practice...you will be using it alot. Winching is allowed on every course unless specified otherwise in course guideline.

COURSE GUIDELINES

Frame Twister: 10 minute time limit.

Course will include rocks, mud, and logs.

1. Cones are live and will be a 15 second penalty.
2. Out of bounds will end your run.

Obstacle Course: 10 minute time limit.

Course will consist of steep dirt climbs and descents, a mud hole, off camber ruts, roots, and jumps.

1. Cones are live and will be a 15 second penalty.
2. Out of bounds will end your run.

Rock Crawl: 10 minute time limit.

1. Falling off rocks and out of bounds will end your run.

Truck Pull:

1. Competitors will be allowed to choose between 5 lanes for their run.
2. You may hook the sled to your truck any way you want. Truck must be less than 12 inches away from the sled.

Hill Climb: 10 minute time limit.

1. You may use the entire hill climb course to make it up the hill.
2. Hit the out of bounds line and your run is done.
3. No digging up the course. No forward progress for 3 second, your run is done.

Mud Pit: No time limit.

1. Fast time wins. If you don't finish, farthest distance determines place.
2. Touch out of bounds and you run is over.
3. No winching.

Tank Trap: 20 minute time limit.

Course will consist of deep water and mud holes, steep rocky and muddy climbs, steep descents, logs, etc.

1. This course is worth double points.

[ROLANDROCKSHOP]

im down for 1.9 class.

some of the 2.2's tires are just way to big. imho

and the rules are good!!

since no one shows up,when i invite them to race on my shortcourse track,ive been thinkin of turning it into a TTC course...300ft long...

lets do it !!!

[constantmotion]

Yeah, I think that it should only be 1 class...1.9. No reduced (cut and shut) 2.2 of any kind. All 100% 1.9 production tires or smaller.

Scale points are still in effect.

Scale appearance points will be deducted from the final score of each event. Appearance points are listed below.

-5 Points (up to a maximum of 20 points)
·Hard body (rigid construction, usually abs or polystyrene: essentially any body that is not lexan)
·Detailed Bed (drop beds, flat beds, tube beds: should be realistic representations)
·Interior detail (must have at least driver & passenger seat, dashboard, & steering wheel)
·Offroad trailer (must be towed during entire event)

-3 Points (up to a maximum of 15 points)
·Roof rack with large scale item (canoe or similar, item must be secured to rack with tie downs; no Velcro will be permitted.)
·Bed item with large scale item (quad, dirt bikes or similar, item must be secured with tie downs; no Velcro will be permitted.)
·Realistic bumpers (point per bumper)
·Functional winch (per winch, front or rear)
·Functional spare tire (should be same size as being run on vehicle; i.e. no 1.9 spare on a 2.2 vehicle)
·Scale engine (i.e. Parma hemi)


-1 Point (up to a maximum of 10 points)
·Functional Lights (per set: Headlights / tail lights / roof / rollbar / crawling)
·Driver / Passenger figure (should be scale in size, in other words a 4 inch G.I. Joe figure in a 1/6 scale truck wouldn’t work. 1 point per person)
·Spare tire (non functional)
·Non Functional Winch (per winch, front or rear)
·Scale accessories (jerry cans, cooler, snatch straps, etc {multiples of a particular item will only score once: for example if you have 2 jerry cans you will only score for 1 jerry can})


Custom Body Bonus: This bonus is awarded for custom build work done to a body, this ranges from stretching, widening, combining, and scratch building. This is added on top of Scale points.

-5 points for any major custom body work (i.e. building a crew cab, grafting lexan and hard bodies*, etc)
-5 points for major tubular work. (i.e. full exocage, full tube chassis that supports and/or conforms to the body)
-10 points for scratch builds (i.e. building a body from the ground up; no OEM basis)

*50% rule applies to lexan/hard combos; in the case of a lexan/hard combo the body will be judged on the basis of whether it is more than 50% lexan or more than 50% hard.

[Szczerba]

So 1.9 production wheels and tires only is what y'all are thinking?

[ROLANDROCKSHOP]

yes sir.
no cut n shuts.
as out of package.

????...can we modify the lugs or tread on said 1.9 tire,
by means of cutting or siping.??

or do we have to leave them stock?

[Szczerba]

1 vote for some tire modding. Limit it to cutting or siping, like you said.

Rules are kinda open to club discussion. Since there is no set TTC rules yet, other than OR's.

My rig will probably have a dig on it as well. Doesn't mean I can't disable it for a scaler comp though! Even though I think it's weird that dig isn't allowed in a scaler comp but that just my thought.

[truckerbuddy2]

Cool idea. Was wondering when something would come out way.

Will this be able to happen just anywhere? Or will there have to be a track/course built for the comp?

Eitherway, cool stuff is sure to come.

[constantmotion]

Vote for tread cutting an siping. I was gonna also say that we allow DIG but then we'll have to have some 4+ Channel radios. I'm still not against it.

Josh has a good spot in his yard for 1 comp. We always open for other locations as always.

[ROLANDROCKSHOP]

my place will be a for shure on a "home" for it.

ive got a nasty hill climb,just need to move some vegatation
out of the way.

the courses would almost have to be "set in stone" so to speak,cause of
time issues,land or property use issues,and the exstensiveness of the course design or layout.
or we may get lucky and just find a natural spot for it?

ive told bj (orvpark) about it,he showed me where we can have
our "own" place at the park.
just need the manpower.


tires-yes i would go with you can do "redneck" cuts (the flatirons)
or other tires,as long as no 2 tires make 1.??
right?

on dig-i would agree with you shane,but how are you gonna work a winch
and dig on a 3 ch radio? if you didnt have a winch that would be fine,id
rather have a winch than dig. imho

getn a 4ch radio that means more $, and to appeal to some folks we need to keep it simple enough for them.


do we want to be able to run dig?
or have it as a substitute-winch or dig,not both. ??


this is moving along nicely!!

[Szczerba]

my Nomadio React is 4ch And up to 100 positions on each channel !

And I have the capability for on rig voltage read outs and temperatures. Anything else?

Ok moving on....

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[mississippirocs]

Im in and for this. I have my rig basically done. Just need to finish up a few things and add the winch.

On the tire issue. I vote for production with justtread removal and/or siping. Most 2.2 scalers are custom built to have the right look.

I also suggest that the bodies be mostly complete and the WB match the body pretty close. I would hate to see a Tamiya Jeep with a 13in WB for example. I have no issues with Comp cut fenders bobbed beds, etc but I would like the rigs to still look more scale than Comp.

Dig? I am not gonna run it, but if you have an extra channel and want it..Get er done

Is there gonna be a motor turn or voltage limit? I know most guys will want to run 3s lipo right? Maybe let that be te limit and no motor restrictions.

[constantmotion]

Originally Posted by mississippirocs

Is there gonna be a motor turn or voltage limit? I know most guys will want to run 3s lipo right? Maybe let that be te limit and no motor restrictions.

Let's make the cut off at 4 cell.

[BGGruff]

I'm down for this! I've been working on a 2.2 Rubicon forever that I planned on waterproofing, 2 speed tranny and 4 cell but I can apply all of it to a 1.9 rig if that's what we decide on. I agree no cut n shut tires. There's plenty of good 1.9s to choose from out there now. Wheelbase should match body. I don't really care about the dig. My build will have to run off of a 4 ch to shift the tranny into 2nd and to operate a winch.
Man I've been wanting to do something like this for a while!

[constantmotion]

Yeah...forgot about the 2 speed fanatics. I am hoping to jump on a deal for a Summit tranny here in a couple of days. If I go that route, guess I will have to go back to the damn DX6i, as bad as I hate to.

[BGGruff]

Mine's actually an R2 2 spd that I've had forever and never used.
I've basically got everything I need to build a TTC rig. I just have to figure out a body. My rubicon is too big of a body for 1.9's.
What time frame are we talking here? I'll start putting my stuff together this weekend.

[ROLANDROCKSHOP]

Originally Posted by Shane_744

my Nomadio React is 4ch And up to 100 positions on each channel !

And I have the capability for on rig voltage read outs and temperatures. Anything else?

Ok moving on....

...

we'll then...
i didnt know that....
you aint chewed up my spooks have ya??


1.9's cutting and siping is allowed.

id say a 3c lipo is plenty of juice.

no motor limit is fine with me.

and verdict on dig/ no dig?

?? is there gonna be a set of rules that goes with dig/no dig??
for example--say a -5 points if you dont run a dig??
or certain areas where dig can be used??