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miller · 10-08-2007, 04:02 PM

So my stock shock caps kept pulling out so I put in some big bore shocks with the axial shafts to get a bit more length. It brought it down low..but I don't like the performance...a bit more stability vs crappy breakover isn't worth it to me.

This is the line that is really bugging me after putting in the bigbores in. I can't do this line anymore....and really there are no other lines that I couldn't do before the bigbores.

Oh and high clearance links aren't going to solve the problem it's my belly that drags.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNbNwXaSqnU

So the question is my stock shocks are in pieces so I don't know how long the original ones were eye to eye. What are the measurments? Also does anyone know what shocks are around the same length as the stock axial shafts that aren't plastic cheapies?

Thanks, Joe

binaryterror · 10-08-2007, 04:21 PM

Guess would be the Wheely King, E-Savage, and Savage...very long travel shocks on all of those and well aluminum is available for them all.

crawls2thewalls · 10-08-2007, 04:25 PM

i used the shafts from the axial shocks in my big bores and it helped a ton..

makes em stand a little taller, just make sure to use the stock axial bump stops or they bottom out on compression..

i'm very happy with em.. also, i'm using 50wt oil and white losi springs..(added a preload spacer just to make up the difference)

Scooteracing · 10-08-2007, 04:37 PM

I think your truck looked great in the video.

binaryterror · 10-08-2007, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crawls2thewalls

i used the shafts from the axial shocks in my big bores and it helped a ton..

Read his post his did use the Axial shafts in the Big Bores and still finds there to be in-sufficient break over or droop.

crawls2thewalls · 10-08-2007, 04:48 PM

i saw, i was saying it worked great for me.. i see what you mean though, i worded it kinda stupid..

maybe the spring oil combo is better..

binaryterror · 10-08-2007, 04:55 PM

Break over is not at all dependant upon the shocks damping or springs...it is all about extension.

So since he and you swapped to shorter body shocks you have limited the down travel or extension. Meaning if you took a stock set up and yours, the stock would extend down more were you holding the truck up by the center of the tranny plate.

Sometimes lower break over is ideal, its all dependant upon driving style and rocks. I too like miller am faced with tall rocks that tend to hang me up, so the break over becomes very critical in getting over things in the line you intend.

Droop suspensions work solely on the idea of break overs and droops or drops of the suspension.

THnCS · 10-08-2007, 05:01 PM

I picked up some of the aluminum Bigbores, used the stock axial shafts and white traxxis springs. I also left one stock axial in the left rear. It cut almost all my torque steer out and can climb very well. It looks like it is leaning when standing still, but climbs great. I am also using 45wt oil in all shocks. This is by far the best set up, now I am just waiting on some kreepys to come in. To answer your question, I searched and could not find anything that was close in length locally to the axial shocks. The closest I found was some aluminum HPI shocks, did not want to pay the $45 for 2 of them.

crawls2thewalls · 10-08-2007, 05:03 PM

please correct me if i'm wrong, but the "break over" part of the vid is the very end right?? at like 1:25 ish..

did he expect to not touch at all?
honestly once positioned it took all of 7 seconds to find traction and that seemed pretty descent to me..

chaman · 10-08-2007, 05:08 PM

Maybe the Duratrax Evader shocks could work?

binaryterror · 10-08-2007, 06:25 PM

Evaders/Losis with Axial Shafts are even shorter than the Big Bores.

Crawls yup thats the part...I agree, its not bad at all
...especially since those look like the kit stock tires, which I do like once well worn (I helped mine by picking it up lightly and flooring it for a few minutes on my new concrete rouch sidewalk the city put in). I think using some wheel weights or aluminum wheels and Losi Rock Claws you might find you are fine on that same line.

Miller try cutting that body up...with it catching so much it could be pulling your tires and even causing the tires to "snap" at the rock rather than smooth movements.

thenewguy821 · 10-08-2007, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crawls2thewalls

please correct me if i'm wrong, but the "break over" part of the vid is the very end right?? at like 1:25 ish..

did he expect to not touch at all?
honestly once positioned it took all of 7 seconds to find traction and that seemed pretty descent to me..

In the comments for the video, it says that there were no mods done at that point, the Big Bores were on order. I am assuming from the comments, and his post, that he can no longer make that line.

crawls2thewalls · 10-08-2007, 08:44 PM

wow, good eye..

you sir are correct..

that explains alot..

ElChupacabra · 10-08-2007, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaman

Maybe the Duratrax Evader shocks could work?

Evaders are definitely shorter. I run them now with a sprung setup and will be running them on a droop setup after tomorrow...

sloth · 10-08-2007, 09:00 PM

IMHO ,depending on terrain you have to sacrafice one for the other here in crawlerado we have many different types of terra.Sometimes slickrock,busted up rock with holes everywhre [I DONT LIKE IT] my personal opinion,and sometimes giant pieces of granite with all careristics of all the above.Just have to find what works best for you.I run the big bores seems good for me .Always room for improvemnt good luck.

binaryterror · 10-08-2007, 09:04 PM

You know you could try a longer plastic ball end. You could also try unscrewing the one on there...might lead to breakage more easily.

miller · 10-09-2007, 01:44 AM

Guys that is the stock set up with the battery mounted in the stock location in the video.

I cant make that climb with the new set up and don't have video of it. I've cleaned up my stock shocks put them back together, made sure the oring was inside the cap and seated properly and super glued the caps on...should solve my problem.

So for me anyways bigbores were a waste of money

. Thanks for the leads on other shocks that might work. I think I'll just see how these hold up.

miller · 10-09-2007, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenewguy821

In the comments for the video, it says that there were no mods done at that point, the Big Bores were on order. I am assuming from the comments, and his post, that he can no longer make that line.

lol I see you figured it out.

So far as noted in my build thread the best mods so far have been battery on the rear axle, weights added to the front axle.

binaryterror · 10-09-2007, 07:05 AM

miller: Put that battery up front that will help. Also like I said the new Losi Rock Claws and I'm seeing alot of good on the new Imex Rubicons. I also like my Rock Claws as their stock foams are just about perfect...good flex and yet not too much softness.

ecoli · 10-09-2007, 09:16 AM

If you still have problems with the shock caps, the big bore aluminum shock caps are a direct fit to the stock Axials and would probably go a long way to solving that problem (assuming you haven't stripped the shock body threads).

Where in North Van was that video? I lived there for 6 years, so was just curious.

10-08-2007, 04:02 PM	#1
miller Rock Crawler Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: North Vancouver Posts: 524	Traxxas big bore problem, breakover is no good So my stock shock caps kept pulling out so I put in some big bore shocks with the axial shafts to get a bit more length. It brought it down low..but I don't like the performance...a bit more stability vs crappy breakover isn't worth it to me. This is the line that is really bugging me after putting in the bigbores in. I can't do this line anymore....and really there are no other lines that I couldn't do before the bigbores. Oh and high clearance links aren't going to solve the problem it's my belly that drags. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNbNwXaSqnU So the question is my stock shocks are in pieces so I don't know how long the original ones were eye to eye. What are the measurments? Also does anyone know what shocks are around the same length as the stock axial shafts that aren't plastic cheapies? Thanks, Joe

10-08-2007, 04:48 PM	#6
crawls2thewalls Quarry Creeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NOR*CAL Posts: 476	i saw, i was saying it worked great for me.. i see what you mean though, i worded it kinda stupid.. maybe the spring oil combo is better.. Last edited by crawls2thewalls; 10-08-2007 at 05:08 PM.

10-08-2007, 04:21 PM	#2
binaryterror I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 3,583	Guess would be the Wheely King, E-Savage, and Savage...very long travel shocks on all of those and well aluminum is available for them all.

10-08-2007, 04:25 PM	#3
crawls2thewalls Quarry Creeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NOR*CAL Posts: 476	i used the shafts from the axial shocks in my big bores and it helped a ton.. makes em stand a little taller, just make sure to use the stock axial bump stops or they bottom out on compression.. i'm very happy with em.. also, i'm using 50wt oil and white losi springs..(added a preload spacer just to make up the difference)

10-08-2007, 04:37 PM	#4
Scooteracing Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: VARCOR Posts: 466	I think your truck looked great in the video.

10-08-2007, 04:55 PM	#7
binaryterror I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 3,583	Break over is not at all dependant upon the shocks damping or springs...it is all about extension. So since he and you swapped to shorter body shocks you have limited the down travel or extension. Meaning if you took a stock set up and yours, the stock would extend down more were you holding the truck up by the center of the tranny plate. Sometimes lower break over is ideal, its all dependant upon driving style and rocks. I too like miller am faced with tall rocks that tend to hang me up, so the break over becomes very critical in getting over things in the line you intend. Droop suspensions work solely on the idea of break overs and droops or drops of the suspension.

10-08-2007, 05:01 PM	#8
THnCS Rock Crawler Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 960	I picked up some of the aluminum Bigbores, used the stock axial shafts and white traxxis springs. I also left one stock axial in the left rear. It cut almost all my torque steer out and can climb very well. It looks like it is leaning when standing still, but climbs great. I am also using 45wt oil in all shocks. This is by far the best set up, now I am just waiting on some kreepys to come in. To answer your question, I searched and could not find anything that was close in length locally to the axial shocks. The closest I found was some aluminum HPI shocks, did not want to pay the $45 for 2 of them.

10-08-2007, 05:03 PM	#9
crawls2thewalls Quarry Creeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NOR*CAL Posts: 476	please correct me if i'm wrong, but the "break over" part of the vid is the very end right?? at like 1:25 ish.. did he expect to not touch at all? honestly once positioned it took all of 7 seconds to find traction and that seemed pretty descent to me..

10-08-2007, 05:08 PM	#10
chaman Quarry Creeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 252	Maybe the Duratrax Evader shocks could work?

10-08-2007, 06:25 PM	#11
binaryterror I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 3,583	Evaders/Losis with Axial Shafts are even shorter than the Big Bores. Crawls yup thats the part...I agree, its not bad at all ...especially since those look like the kit stock tires, which I do like once well worn (I helped mine by picking it up lightly and flooring it for a few minutes on my new concrete rouch sidewalk the city put in). I think using some wheel weights or aluminum wheels and Losi Rock Claws you might find you are fine on that same line. Miller try cutting that body up...with it catching so much it could be pulling your tires and even causing the tires to "snap" at the rock rather than smooth movements.

10-08-2007, 08:44 PM	#13
crawls2thewalls Quarry Creeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NOR*CAL Posts: 476	wow, good eye.. you sir are correct.. that explains alot..

10-08-2007, 09:00 PM	#15
sloth Pebble Pounder Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: longmont Posts: 155	IMHO ,depending on terrain you have to sacrafice one for the other here in crawlerado we have many different types of terra.Sometimes slickrock,busted up rock with holes everywhre [I DONT LIKE IT] my personal opinion,and sometimes giant pieces of granite with all careristics of all the above.Just have to find what works best for you.I run the big bores seems good for me .Always room for improvemnt good luck.

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10-08-2007, 09:04 PM	#16
binaryterror I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 3,583	You know you could try a longer plastic ball end. You could also try unscrewing the one on there...might lead to breakage more easily.

10-09-2007, 01:44 AM	#17
miller Rock Crawler Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: North Vancouver Posts: 524	Guys that is the stock set up with the battery mounted in the stock location in the video. I cant make that climb with the new set up and don't have video of it. I've cleaned up my stock shocks put them back together, made sure the oring was inside the cap and seated properly and super glued the caps on...should solve my problem. So for me anyways bigbores were a waste of money . Thanks for the leads on other shocks that might work. I think I'll just see how these hold up.

10-09-2007, 07:05 AM	#19
binaryterror I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 3,583	miller: Put that battery up front that will help. Also like I said the new Losi Rock Claws and I'm seeing alot of good on the new Imex Rubicons. I also like my Rock Claws as their stock foams are just about perfect...good flex and yet not too much softness.

10-09-2007, 09:16 AM	#20
ecoli I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Canada, eh. Posts: 2,919	If you still have problems with the shock caps, the big bore aluminum shock caps are a direct fit to the stock Axials and would probably go a long way to solving that problem (assuming you haven't stripped the shock body threads). Where in North Van was that video? I lived there for 6 years, so was just curious.

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