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bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build I'm very excited for the new Axial RR10 Bomber to be released and have an RTR on pre-order. Although a kit would be preferred, I just cannot wait that long and the whole machine will be dissembled and re-built anyway. I'm sure hoping that late November release date is accurate. My DMG Wraith is configured very similarly to the Bomber with a trailing arm rear suspension and short back and it crawls so incredibly well, including some mind-blowing rock bouncing! With that being said, I know the RR10 will perform just as good when I am done building it (which like my Wraith, is never really finished!). I have a good portion of the required parts in hand, ready to go. I also have a parts ordered from RPP that I will have next week. I've been dying to find an excuse to order the SSD diamond axles and now I do, they will suit this build perfectly. I was going to hold out for the new Vanquish F9 Currie axles, but they are taking too long to get the AR60 released, besides, the DMG Wraith has Currie axles and I want to give SSD axles a try....they look so good! I'm not a fan of rear spare tires because of the unwanted rear weight bias, but it's important to keep the true look of the Bomber so I will be using RC Bros knuckle weights to offset. Here's the parts list so far: Blue Monkey RC Yeti Trailing Arms Blue Monkey RC Titanium Rear Upper Links Vanquish Wraith Titanium Front Upper & Lower Links Mamba Max Pro (Waterproof) Castle BEC Holmes Hobbies TrailMaster BL Sport 540 3300KV (Waterproof) Holmes Hobbies Trailmaster BLS HV400 Servo Racers Edge Aluminum Pro Servo Horn SS FUT; Black Axial Servo Plate Vanquish Servo Mounts; Black SSD Diamond Front Axle for Wraith; Black SSD Diamond Front axle Upper Link Mount; Grey SSD Diamond Centered Rear Axle for Wraith; Black SSD Skid for Diamond Axle; Front & Rear SSD Titanium Steering Links for Wraith GripFab SS Spool; Front & Rear Axial Heavy Duty Bevel Gear Set 43T/13T; Rear Axial Heavy Duty Bevel Gear Set 38T/13T; Front Vanquish Wraith VVD V1-HD 4mm Stubs Vanquish Wraith Scale Chubs; Black Vanquish Knuckle Bushings Vanquish Wraith Steering Knuckles; Orange Vanquish Shock/Link Mounts; Grey RC Bros Knuckle Weight Kit MIP X-Duty Rear C-Drive Kit, Axial Yeti; Rear MIP C-Drive Spline Center CVD Wraith; Front JunFac Driveshafts I like both MIP and JunFac driveshafts, so I'll use whatever fits best. Shocks – TBD Wheels/Tires – TBD Lighting - TBD Winch - TBD Scale Accessories <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36613959006/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_01"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4442/36613959006_6041339a5e_o.jpg" width="1200" height="656" alt="RR10_Bomber_01"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36264174800/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_02"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4400/36264174800_23d6974e03_o.jpg" width="1200" height="800" alt="RR10_Bomber_02"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Nice! I'm about to put in an order also for a bunch of Vanquish stuff for a car I don't even have yet."thumbsup" |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Cool, I also stated to gather parts to built my own in my parts bin! Maybe not as high end as yours, but Ill follow your built for more ideas! Keep the picture coming! |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Definitely looking forward to this one after the Wraith build you've been doing. I too have my preorder in and a nice little collection of upgrades forming on my workbench (dinner table). I knew you'd be the first one to get after it bilinvic and I'm sure this won't disappoint. Really looking forward to video of yours in action. |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Thanxs guys. I was wanting to get the new Kraken Vekta.5 or the X-Maxx, but this unexpected announcement from Axial redirected my focus. Going fast and bashing is fun, but not as much as fun as hard-core crawling and this Bomber has my name written all over it! I've got a few ideas in my head and hopefully they are doable when I get this beast into my possession. |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build I like your list of upgrades. I am probably going to run mine stock, except for metal suspension links and beadlocks, and replace things as they break. I've picked out the same motor/esc combo after I get bored with stock. How do you think the SSD beadlocks would look on this rig? |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build As much as I like the SSD Assassin wheels, I don't think they suit the Bomber. |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build May I suggest you actually drive the rig before you decide on suspension components? It seems to make very limited sense to buy replacement parts without anyone actually able to give a report regarding its driving characteristics. I presume you will need sway bars with that motor unless you go 2S and gear down. |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build I have a crawler's dream backyard for testing and tuning, it's all natural bedrock with some extreme lines. I use the same lines for all my rigs so I can compare different set-ups. I'll take the stock Bomber thru the same testing grounds to determine a baseline of it's performance. I won't likely be using or needing sway bars because this Bomber's primary purpose will be crawling and bouncing. My two other trailing arm crawlers definitely don't require sway bars either. I plan on gearing 10T/56T to start and running 3S; That seems to be the sweet spot for this HH motor. |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build I'm running the 3300kv HH motor with10/56 and 43/13 in my wraith, I agree it's the sweet spot for trail/crawl/bouncing. If I was primarily bashing/bouncing I would run an 11t pinion. Can't wait to see some video of your bomber build, that's a good parts list. Maybe the 2.2 voodoo klr will be out by the time the kit hits the market. I keep telling myself to wait for the kit but it's going to be hard. |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build I have one on order as well! I'm extremely new to this and and in the process of finishing my sons wraith. I wanted to build one with trailing arms too. I think I might machine some out of titanium. Can wait for this build! Sent from my LG-E980 using Tapatalk |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Axle porn....I'll let the pictures do the talking! <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36613958536/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_09"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4338/36613958536_ceb0372983_o.jpg" width="1200" height="794" alt="RR10_Bomber_09"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36264174350/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_08"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4377/36264174350_5354ccd32c_o.jpg" width="1200" height="526" alt="RR10_Bomber_08"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36613958636/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_07"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4351/36613958636_7ae3d333ec_o.jpg" width="1200" height="562" alt="RR10_Bomber_07"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36264174490/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_06"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4347/36264174490_1b1260c901_o.jpg" width="1200" height="447" alt="RR10_Bomber_06"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36613958756/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_05"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4439/36613958756_395d87d6ee_o.jpg" width="1200" height="531" alt="RR10_Bomber_05"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36264174650/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_04"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4388/36264174650_7ab7587f75_o.jpg" width="1200" height="572" alt="RR10_Bomber_04"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36613958876/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_03"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4369/36613958876_5d5c11f1d6_o.jpg" width="1200" height="542" alt="RR10_Bomber_03"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build I replaced the majority of the hardware with stainless steel. The guts of the front axle contain an Axial Heavy Duty Bevel Gear Set 38T/13T, a Gripfab SS Spool and Vanquish Wraith VVD V1-HD 4mm Stubs. The SSD diamond axle is absolutely beautiful and is metal art by itself! As far as I am concerned, the SSD axles will offer better performance than the F9 Currie axles because the SSD Delrin skid will make quite a difference for minimizing hang-ups. |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Looks awesome. The orange knuckles will go real nice with that orange pinstriping of the RR10s panels. I love it when you can run the draglink behind the servo horn too. Just looks a lot cleaner to me. Any thoughts on shocks yet and have you thought about what setup you're going to run as far as Yeti or Wraith length rears? |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Thanxs SCREAMER. I have the Vanquish CHubs in orange too, but they don't clamp like the VP scale CHubs do. That being said, the SSD axle tubes seem to have more "meat" to screw into than the other metal axles I have. Maybe I will throw them on. Yes, I prefer the drag link behind the servo arm too, it aligns more square to the axle as well. I have the new RC4WD Short Course rear King shocks that I have been tuning...might use these but I'm not absolutely sure yet. http://beta.prpseats.com/wp-content/...ab_KOH2013.jpg |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build ...and the SSD centered diamond axle. I am going to replace the SSD supplied 5x13x4mm pinion bearings with sealed bearings. <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36613958266/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_13"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4382/36613958266_e31c676622_o.jpg" width="1200" height="465" alt="RR10_Bomber_13"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36264174040/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_12"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4422/36264174040_c12ffc04ba_o.jpg" width="1200" height="420" alt="RR10_Bomber_12"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36613958386/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_11"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4406/36613958386_63996eddaf_o.jpg" width="1200" height="458" alt="RR10_Bomber_11"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36264174180/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_10"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4331/36264174180_033c36ab07_o.jpg" width="1200" height="678" alt="RR10_Bomber_10"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build I installed the orange anodized VP CHub...looks much better IMHO. <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36264173940/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_14"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4401/36264173940_7ed0bf7fde_o.jpg" width="1200" height="452" alt="RR10_Bomber_14"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Very nice. I guess you'll be the first to find out if a centered rear driveshaft clears the new transmission housing. I hope it does. I've got a centered Currie that I'm dying to put on my RR10 the moment it shows up. |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build I can't see any reason that the centered rear wouldn't work, I've been studying the pics and there seems to be plenty of clearance for the rear driveshaft to angle slightly towards the center. Regardless, fingers are crossed! |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build 1 Attachment(s) It's not the left to right angle, it's the up and down travel I'm worried about. There's a couple pics, one specifically, that shows how close the driveshaft is to the spur gear cover. In the stock location the driveshaft has a decent amount of upward clearance. The spur cover then angles downward as it transitions toward the center of the skid. That's the point of contact I'm worried about. Here you can see that as soon as you start to angle the rear (left side) of the driveshaft more towards the center of the car it starts to lose clearance for upward suspension travel. Hopefully not. Like I said, I really want to run a centered rear on mine too. |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Time will tell..... that's what makes this hobby fun, figuring out solutions. |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Praying to the RC Gods delivery is tomorrow...the collection of parts is growing! <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36613958126/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_15"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4428/36613958126_1879f1d3a5_o.jpg" width="1200" height="618" alt="RR10_Bomber_15"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Bombs away.... Let the build begin! <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36613958046/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_17"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4366/36613958046_5e6fedfcc5_o.jpg" width="1200" height="763" alt="RR10_Bomber_17"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36491062582/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_16"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4378/36491062582_c2f70135e0_o.jpg" width="1200" height="624" alt="RR10_Bomber_16"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Hmm, if the bomber is 1/2 as badass as the wraith its gona be awesome!!!!! Sent from my LG-E980 using Tapatalk |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build One of the clearance issue is on the receiver box and the lower link if you want to install MIP front shaft. I tried the ax and the wraith. I clearance the receiver box and then the lower control arm hits the drive shaft. So I went all back to stock and will wait and see how all this plays out. |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Did you use the two short ends? Heard of others doing this and then letting the rub just work its way out. |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build My initial impression is what a great looking machine; the performance definitely needs some help though. The shocks are way too soft (hence the crazy torque twist) and of course, the stock electronics just don't make the grade. That was after a mere two minute test drive in my shop...then the tear down commenced. Please keep in mind, everything I am doing right now is for mock-up and once I am satisfied, I will tear down again ensuring Loctite and grease is used accordingly during the re-build. Front links are VP Wraith Ti uppers and lowers with Revo link ends. Front driveshaft is JunFac ardened universal shaft 120-155mm. The Junfac driveshaft has proven to be extremely reliable with my BL powered rigs and their smaller diameter (compared to MIP) looks more the part. The gunmetal STRC motor mount is installed with the Holmes Hobbies Trail Master BL 540 3100 kV motor. For now, I'll stick with the stock gearing of 12T/64T and see how that performs. <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36613957706/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_21"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4338/36613957706_ee57520663_o.jpg" width="1200" height="641" alt="RR10_Bomber_21"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build I couldn't use the regular Axial Wraith servo mount plate and the VP aluminum servo mounts; it located the servo too far forward and the servo would be obstructed by the front bumper under minimal suspension articulation. I used the stock RR10 one-piece servo mount and flipped it backwards. This put the servo in a perfect position relative to the bumper resulting in 100% articulation with no interference. (Only two screws for mock-up) <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36491062442/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_18"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4390/36491062442_d71c54deea_o.jpg" width="1200" height="675" alt="RR10_Bomber_18"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Suspension mocked up now.... Blue Monkey RC Yeti trailing arms w/ Revo link ends Blue Monkey RC Ti upper links w/Jato link ends RC4WD King Off-Road Short Course 110mm Racing Shocks (Slash Rear) front & rear RC4WD King Off-Road Dual Spring 120mm Shocks for the dual rear shock set-up The shocks will require fine tuning once the machine is up and running for it's shake-down! MIP Yeti rear driveshaft Wheelbase is now 15 1/8" compared to the stock WB of 14.75" <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36264173600/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_20"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4352/36264173600_632aab23de_o.jpg" width="1200" height="690" alt="RR10_Bomber_20"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Out with the stock plastic "fuel cell", in with the RC4WD aluminum "fuel cell". <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36613957886/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_19"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4442/36613957886_975799f56f_o.jpg" width="1200" height="877" alt="RR10_Bomber_19"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Looking good! I like what you did with that servo mount, it gives me ideas for my Wraith. |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build What made wheelbase longer? |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Looks like he mounted the lower rear link mounts upside down for more length, then unscrewed the upper rod ends to accommodate. |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Great info, say was wondering if you could show how much clearance given w/yeti driveshaft on the centered axle. With full compression too, underside pic. Looking forward to more ideas, keep up the great updates . |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Blue monkey is out of trailing arms. Waiting for those to come in and order rear links too. Got my entire front end done today. Not putting in the mip stuff yet. Going to try the collars from chamber fab and use those on the wb hds and see how it goes. Looks like things will get sorted out if I plan on using them for a center diff later. Or might send them back. Lots of cash in driveshafts. |
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Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build The electronics are sorted out. I did have to move the MMP rearward after this photo was taken to clear the rear battery compartment panel. <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36521891981/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_26"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4365/36521891981_09ee6d7184_o.jpg" width="1200" height="675" alt="RR10_Bomber_26"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36613957356/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_27"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4434/36613957356_c97e4f39cc_o.jpg" width="1200" height="675" alt="RR10_Bomber_27"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build Regarding the center rear axle and MIP driveshaft, here are some pics with the rear suspension compressed. 1. With the driver's side compressed. It's hard to tell the driveshaft is clearing the spur cover, but you can clearly see light between the shaft and housing. <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36491062002/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_25"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4404/36491062002_66a0ffb2fd_o.jpg" width="1063" height="908" alt="RR10_Bomber_25"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> 2. With the passenger side compressed. There's approximately 3mm of clearance. <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36613957506/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_24"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4384/36613957506_7d7288ee08_o.jpg" width="1200" height="675" alt="RR10_Bomber_24"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36264173250/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_23"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4392/36264173250_f7dbb0eaae_o.jpg" width="1200" height="707" alt="RR10_Bomber_23"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> 3. With both sides fully compressed. Note: I did add a rubber bump-stop so that the top of the SSD link mount wouldn't travel beyond the chassis underneath the fuel cell. <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36491062092/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_22"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4390/36491062092_9096d0a784_o.jpg" width="1200" height="673" alt="RR10_Bomber_22"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build About 2mm, good enough for me. Thank you |
Re: bilinvic's RR10 Bomber Build ...and how the Bomber sits now: <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/36613957256/in/album-72157687690653686/" title="RR10_Bomber_28"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4431/36613957256_f42ba14f37_o.jpg" width="1200" height="656" alt="RR10_Bomber_28"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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