Whats up with rc guys and truggys?

[Ditchrat]

I see people building what they call truggys, by attaching a tube frame to the rear half of a ladder frame.

Truggys are normally 100% tube framed with a truck body. Seems like the go fast crowd bastardized the term and it transferred to crawlers.

Any back story or history there?

[WHITE-TRASH]

It's only in the last 10 years or so that a full tube chassis rig with a cab was popular. They've always been a truck cab on a stock frame with a tube back half prior to that and still most commonly today.

Back halves are easy and it leaves most of the mounting points intact for a cleaner build.

[DukeMinnix]

truggy is not a full tube chassis by definition. It's the front half of a truck and the back half of a buggy. Same with Juggy...jeep/buggy. A full tube chassis covered in a cab is just that, its a buggy with a cab.

[Ditchrat]

Originally Posted by DukeMinnix

truggy is not a full tube chassis by definition. It's the front half of a truck and the back half of a buggy. Same with Juggy...jeep/buggy. A full tube chassis covered in a cab is just that, its a buggy with a cab.

See that isn't the history I remember, which is why I'm wondering.

Truggys where first simply trucks cabs placed on buggy bodies, however by that time the buggys in question were all 100% tube frame chassis.

[OSRC]

You are correct as far as I remember - Truggys are full tube frame by official definition...

"....the term became the generic term from a specially built off-road vehicle that uses truck architecture (front engine, solid rear axle) but unlimited buggy style construction (tube chassis, no production parts retained). "

I think the term has morphed somewhat though, just like in the 1/10 world we all swim in scaler/crawler gets interchanged constantly (though I see them very differently.)

[WHITE-TRASH]

Originally Posted by Ditchrat

See that isn't the history I remember, which is why I'm wondering.

Truggys where first simply trucks cabs placed on buggy bodies, however by that time the buggys in question were all 100% tube frame chassis.

The history you remember is wrong.

Back halfed trucks were the beginning of the whole thing in the early late 80's-early 90's. Those are by very definition truggies since they are trucks with buggy atributes like mainly linked rear suspension and usually leaf springs up front. As buggies became more popular in the early 2000's and parts prices dropped as knowledge expanded (thanks internet!) It was more common to see truggies linked front & rear. Today we can call a few comanies and they'll ship out full link suspensions made to order right to our door. It's a great time to be in the hobby.


Full tube buggies as we know them today were more widely seen in the late 99's and were mostly made to look like Jeeps since they have simple flat sheetmetal.



Shannon Campbell's pinky that he won ttc with in 1996 was one of the earlier true buggies since the whole frame & chassis was fabricated from scratch.

[WHITE-TRASH]

Originally Posted by OSRC

You are correct as far as I remember - Truggys are full tube frame by official definition...

"....the term became the generic term from a specially built off-road vehicle that uses truck architecture (front engine, solid rear axle) but unlimited buggy style construction (tube chassis, no production parts retained). "

I think the term has morphed somewhat though, just like in the 1/10 world we all swim in scaler/crawler gets interchanged constantly (though I see them very differently.)

Wickepedia is not an official definition.

[crash]

Originally Posted by Ditchrat

See that isn't the history I remember, which is why I'm wondering.

Truggys where first simply trucks cabs placed on buggy bodies, however by that time the buggys in question were all 100% tube frame chassis.

A truggy was always a stock frame front, tube rear--never was known as a full tube chassis with a cab on it...

[Correll]

This was my old K5 Blazer frame with a Pickup cab and A tube rear half, it was a truggy I suppose. People just called it the Trazer, truck blazer.

[KJ10]

Originally Posted by WHITE-TRASH

Wickepedia is not an official definition.

I think OP needs to ask the experts on Pirate.

[Ditchrat]

Originally Posted by WHITE-TRASH

The history you remember is wrong.

Back halfed trucks were the beginning of the whole thing in the early late 80's-early 90's. Those are by very definition truggies since they are trucks with buggy atributes like mainly linked rear suspension and usually leaf springs up front. As buggies became more popular in the early 2000's and parts prices dropped as knowledge expanded (thanks internet!) It was more common to see truggies linked front & rear. Today we can call a few comanies and they'll ship out full link suspensions made to order right to our door. It's a great time to be in the hobby.


Full tube buggies as we know them today were more widely seen in the late 99's and were mostly made to look like Jeeps since they have simple flat sheetmetal.



Shannon Campbell's pinky that he won ttc with in 1996 was one of the earlier true buggies since the whole frame & chassis was fabricated from scratch.

My memory is fuzzy. However one thing that is clear to me is truggys started out as Baja vehicles. It is a portmanteau of truck and buggy. Buggy being the highly modified VW's. (maybe this is why I am having issues)

Solid rear, full tube rails, big front engine, which is what you are showing. So there is obviously cross over.

But that really fails to explain the half frame/half tube thing people are calling a truggy.

[WHITE-TRASH]

Originally Posted by Correll

This was my old K5 Blazer frame with a Pickup cab and A tube rear half, it was a truggy I suppose. People just called it the Trazer, truck blazer.

They call it a trazer because its not a truggy. It's a short wheelbase pickup with a flat bed.

Originally Posted by KJ10

I think OP needs to ask the experts on Pirate.

:raises hand: Here!

Originally Posted by Ditchrat

My memory is fuzzy. However one thing that is clear to me is truggys started out as Baja vehicles. It is a portmanteau of truck and buggy. Buggy being the highly modified VW's. (maybe this is why I am having issues)

Solid rear, full tube rails, big front engine, which is what you are showing. So there is obviously cross over.

But that really fails to explain the half frame/half tube thing people are calling a truggy.

Different worlds completely. You're comparing 2 rigs that only have the similarity of being internal combustion. Are the 1:10 truggies you see modeled after baja rigs or rock crawlers? That right there is your issue. Comparing apples to scrambled eggs is a bad comparison.

Look at 1/8 scale "truggy" classes. All they are is an 1/8 scale buggy with wider track, bigger tires and a truckish body. They were born because the t maxx and savage were raced and they sucked at it. Someone did some fabrimuhkaytin and came up with todays truggy which rules over what was available back then. It was a natural combination of words "truck" and "buggy" to make the new type of rig.

[Correll]

Originally Posted by WHITE-TRASH

They call it a trazer because its not a truggy. It's a short wheelbase pickup with a flat bed.

Amazing.

I Fed all my sheep with all the HAY i hauled on my Flatbed....






It wasn't a Toyota tho, OR a truggy. I apologize for being so ignorant.

[WHITE-TRASH]

Originally Posted by Correll

Amazing.

I Fed all my sheep with all the HAY i hauled on my Flatbed....






It wasn't a Toyota tho, OR a truggy. I apologize for being so ignorant.

I didn't say a single bad thing about your rig so don't go getting butthurt. I simply described what you have. If the rear of the frame was chopped off and the tubing was the rear structure along with link suspension then yea, it'd be a truggy because it is half truck and half buggy.

And before you bring it up formula toyota is a cage slapped on a toyota frame. Its not a truck, or a buggy since they sit on convention 1/2 elliptical leaf springs, they are abortions.

[Correll]

Originally Posted by WHITE-TRASH

I didn't say a single bad thing about your rig so don't go getting butthurt. I simply described what you have. If the rear of the frame was chopped off and the tubing was the rear structure along with link suspension then yea, it'd be a truggy because it is half truck and half buggy.

And before you bring it up formula toyota is a cage slapped on a toyota frame. Its not a truck, or a buggy since they sit on convention 1/2 elliptical leaf springs, they are abortions.

No butthurt here, pure facetiousness.



And I don't have anything against Pitbulls either. The dogs OR the tires....


I knew what I had, I just wanted to "ME TOO" this thread. I read all about Trazers on some other Forum before doing my work all those years ago....

[Ditchrat]

Originally Posted by WHITE-TRASH

Different worlds completely. You're comparing 2 rigs that only have the similarity of being internal combustion. Are the 1:10 truggies you see modeled after baja rigs or rock crawlers? That right there is your issue. Comparing apples to scrambled eggs is a bad comparison.

Look at 1/8 scale "truggy" classes. All they are is an 1/8 scale buggy with wider track, bigger tires and a truckish body. They were born because the t maxx and savage were raced and they sucked at it. Someone did some fabrimuhkaytin and came up with todays truggy which rules over what was available back then. It was a natural combination of words "truck" and "buggy" to make the new type of rig.

Works for me Thanks

[WHITE-TRASH]

Originally Posted by Correll

No butthurt here, pure facetiousness.



And I don't have anything against Pitbulls either. The dogs OR the tires....


I knew what I had, I just wanted to "ME TOO" this thread. I read all about Trazers on some other Forum before doing my work all those years ago....

Well your me too sucks.

Originally Posted by Ditchrat

Works for me Thanks

I figured it was a translation type issue even in the same language. Desert stuff is much different and a lot of that started with the Herbst family building the first real truggy pre runner.

[Correll]

Originally Posted by WHITE-TRASH

Well your me too sucks.



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Reported and Triggered.

[WHITE-TRASH]

Originally Posted by Correll

Reported and Triggered.

Oh gawd, first the majority of aussies I'm in contact with on bookface turn out to be incredibly thin skinned nancies and now a montana boy is too. Please tell me you're a california transplant or I'll lose my shit completely...

[Correll]

Originally Posted by WHITE-TRASH

Oh gawd, first the majority of aussies I'm in contact with on bookface turn out to be incredibly thin skinned nancies and now a montana boy is too. Please tell me you're a california transplant or I'll lose my shit completely...

I thought you'd be catching my PBB vibes.