Age needs to be public.
 

...especially if they're in the Classified section.

I just find out tonight that a guy that I paid for an item 8 days ago and then had the runaround of ignoring my pm and still hasn't shipped is only 14 years old.

I don't like dealing with minors. Except for a select few, on here, most of them are irresponisble little jerks who are slow to ship, and often times misrepresent the items.

As of now, there's no way to recognize if somebody is under age.

I would like to see either the age listed by their name or not allow people in the classifieds who are under a certain age.

Soo....how will the age that is typed into the profile be verified?

It is a good idea...just no real way to check up on the person....

true but maybe if its required at the time of registering, they wont try to be sneaky and lie about it....Seems like teens are "proud" about their age lol.

Buyer beware.

My age is NOYB!:flipoff:

All you gotta do is ask, i don't care if people know if i'm 16 or not. But i don't like to be proflied that i'm a 16 year old. So by forcing age to be shown many members would start to profile others. If you have problems with shipping time post it up in the feed back section, slow shipping times, inaccurate item description, etc. So next time you or someone else buys something they know that this person may or may not be a good seller.

I usually try to get stuff shipped with 12 hours of payment or at max 24hrs unless i'm up camping ( 99.99% of the time i won't have something for sale if i'm away from home) and i've had two deals go bad, both of which i fixed, one was fairly quickly to get a refund, wasn't even my fault (once i got it back i realized what went wrong). The other kinda was mine (I bought something then turned around and sold it once i got it because i found a better deal(HH esc (before batch 2 release)), the mamba i sold turned out to be go into thermal shut down after 10 mins (I only tested it for 1 min)) and took me awhile to get the money returned cause it took the guy close to 2 weeks to tell me it didn't work right and i already bought the parts to fix my crawler. But other than that everything else i have sold was right on target.

possibly we can implement the itrader ratings like some of the other forums do, this may help people look at feedback more often. Possibly will solve this problem.

I'm 13. All my feedback is positive. Here, and on other websites. I'm 13, I don't care how old you are or how old you think I am, I expect you to treat me the same as an adult. Deal with me as if I were an adult, Do I care if you know im 13 years old or not? No. I still don't expect you to treat me any different than anybody else you would deal with.

The problem with your theory is that in the eyes of the law, a contract with a minor isn't valid. In a face to face deal, I can assess if I'm dealing with somebody of legal age to enter into a legal and binding contract. Over the internet, there's no way to tell.

According to the law, I should be dealing with a Childs parent or legal representative. There is very little recourse if it's a child that rips me off.

Well the minor will be either using your parents paypal account, so you can file a dispute and get your money back, or the minor will be using a student account through paypal, in which you can still file a dispute through the parent account.

I personally could care less if everyone new if i was 16 or not, but once that age is know you will get profiled, for instance when people talk to a a baby they have a baby talk, when they talk to dog they have a dog talk, when they talk to someone who has a disability or are foreign they talk to that person like they are a retard that doesn't know English. Whether if you realize it or not adding a age will cause profiling. I had to write a whole paper about profiling people in English class a few years back, i don't remember much of it but still some.

I understand the part about the law though but as long as stuff is through PayPal you should be able to file a dispute either way, and feed back is key, and if you don't get your item at all or it isn't what you bought and seller ignores you that member can be banned from classified easily.


Just for you i'm gonna go into my account settings so my age displays on my account page. about the best i can do although i'm sure the kid part in losikid gives me away just a little, lol

As far as I'm concerned, I'll treat you based on how you conduct yourself. You seem to be able to communicate effectively...good punctuation, spelling and all.

I tend to not look down on anybody based on age, race, disability, etc, unless they throw it in your face. For example, I have a problem with people that communicate like the world is a text message.

However, matters of a financial nature are really touchy. I won't sell anything to a minor without parental approval. No offence against you, but the laws are pretty ridiculous regarding contracts with a minor. According to the law in most states, you could effectively buy a crawler from me, use it for a year, and then claim that it's not want you wanted. The contract could then be voided (even if you were over 18 at that time) and I'd be forced to refund your money as long as you returned the goods to me. Some states don't require that the goods even be in the same condition as received.

If you want to be treated as an adult, then you should focus your energy on the lawmakers who don't respect your right or ability to make decisions for yourself. In the mean time, adults, such as myself, can easily get screwed by dealing with anybody under 18.

Yea i can type pretty well, you otta see the English papers i was writing last year, fine pieces of writing, horrible to write them though (1 page, 6 hours of work). lol. I got a 4.0 gpa (well a 3.9 something (got a b in english last year)) and i'm at the community college 70% of the school day which you could never tell if i told you, even if you knew me in person.

Once again i understand about the law and how it is all BS. Minors get nothing while they still expect us to pay our income taxes and go to school, and ... as the list goes on. But seriously what teenage is smart enough and has the money for a lawyer to come after you for a lousy 2-3 digit dollar amount. Next the the transaction was done through someones account that is a legal adult whether if that minor logs into the parent account or not, the transaction was done through a adults account. Also I've never heard of taking something back a year later and get a refund, if i could do that i'd go down to the ford dealership get myself a brand new truck and bring it back next year and get a refund, i can't see that happening, or going to a gas station and filling up my tank then demand a refund for the fuel that has been polluted by my gas tank. With the usa as sue happy as it is i figured i would have heard about stories like that and you would have stores ban minors from purchasing goods.

I know you say you don't but you chances are (99.99%) you do profile people at least a little in one form or another, it may be a act of kindness as well.

I know about the texting stuff as well, i bet you money that you can ask any English teacher how many papers they grade a day that uses texting lingo. I personally send less than 50 texts a month, about all i know is lol wtf lmao ur u y .

I know i'm fighting a war right now that can't be won so i'm gonna stop right here. Unless you wanna keep bickering about it, i'm real good at it after all the debates we had in English class, its amazing what you can learn in that class. lol. But if we do we gotta go to chit chat so we don't break any rcc rules.

Well um, i hope i get to do some business with you here in about two years but till then i guess we can't.

While I generally don't have a problem dealing with minors...I see both side of this issue. I agree there is some profiling that tends to go on when adults deal with minors and vise versa. I also see the issue with the legal contract and dealing with a situation where someone rips you off.

You offer up the solution of using paypal and filing a dispute. The big issue there is if the person has no balance in their PP account and you file a dispute...PP will only be able to reimburse you if there is money in the account. If the person that ripped you off empties their account prior to the dispute being filed then there is nothing that PP can do to get your money back. It has happened to me twice. Once I got nothing, the other time I received like $20 out of the couple hundred I paid for an item that was never shipped.

The third issue is like was already stated...how hard is it to lie about your age when you are signing up for an account. Short of requiring a credit card or something similar to prove you are of age I don't know if it could be done. I do like the iTrader idea though. Not a guarantee but it does help to offer some confidence when you are dealing with others when conducting internet sales and trading.

You're way too crotchety to be confused with a teenager. :flipoff:

I couldn't care less what age I'm dealing with SO LONG as all things go appropriately. Age isn't hard to falsify on the internet so even if it was displayed it wouldn't prove much. I do agree though with the point raised about teenagers being 'proud' about their age on here, I don't get it not sure what their trying to prove.

Kieren

I got 7 kids and they were not allowed to sell,buy or trade anything unless I said it was OK.

The only fall back is, now that they are grown they still ask me about that stuff.:ror:

Can I ask why? My parents raised me to where If i wanted something I paid for it. I've traded, bought, sold plenty of times before without my parents knowing. My parents have came home and seen people in my shop that i'm trading on. If its my money why can't I buy what I want too? Within reason I mean nothing like, porno's, weed, other drugs, tobacco, beer, ect. I always ask for something online though. I do ask but its more of advice I should say.

Cause I said and I'm the boss, after they turn 18 then they are their own boss.










punk

You've just proven that you're just a punk kid. So, either your parents raised you to have personal responsibility or they simply didn't care. Either way, they obviously didn't teach you to keep your mouth shut and not question how somebody else raises their own children!

If you or any other children want to be taken seriously, then instead of putting your efforts into responding to a thread such as this trying to explain how responsible you are, you should be contacting your congressmen to have them change the laws regarding the contractural obligations of a minor. As it is, you're not viewed as responsible in the eyes of the law. An adult who enters into a contract with a minor is viewed to be potentially taking advantage of the minor as the law views the minor incapable of deciding for themselves thus making the contract voidable up to 2 years afterward.

you could send a note to there mom to sign and send back"thumbsup"

I can honestly say I was on RCC when I was 14. I have alot of great feedback and zero bad. All was from 14-16. Havent been RC much since til now again.

Age is no excuse really.

i've done some dealings with a few younger peoples on here, no issues (so far). feedback can be huge, only takes 1 or 2 bad buys to make you start checking on them.

is this not public? maybe this field should be manditory when joining the forum, if it isn't already
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Not taking sides but I agree with both of you. Shouldn't question how someone raises their kids BUT when I was 14-15 I was stupid and immature, always opened my mouth and said stuff I shouldn't BUT I would never have scammed someone or done a bad deal.

I used my moms paypal account, she knew about it, I had to ask her permission/tell her what I was doing and she would say sure. Never been scammed, never made a bad deal. "thumbsup"

Also how is age gonna be verified anyways, because the "punk kids" your talking about would be the ones who would/could easily fake their age online, even in credit card verification, you get your parents card type the few numbers in, and bang your an adult. that simple. It is near impossible to prove age over the Internet. If you can figure out a way then maybe your wish may come true but till then your sol.

So, if I ask you Why? I asked you how you raised your children?

Either way, they obviously didn't teach you to keep your mouth shut and not question how somebody else raises their own children!

I think you just proved your just an ass that has nothing better to do than to argue with kids about how they should be older to be making deals, and to state how there parents raised them. Dumbass.. :roll:

All I asked was why you did that. I thought maybe there was a reason other than your the boss. Sorry dude, No need to call me a punk.

By the looks of these two post, I'd say your about 14. Sorry didn't meant to call you a punk, That was just a personal note to myself."thumbsup"

Way to go. You've just proven to the forum your true level of maturity.

By the way, back on subject, the punk kid that motivated me to start this thread still hasn't shipped the stuff that I paid for 17 days ago. If I had known that he was 14, I would not have sent him money.

My 14 year old would have asked me if he could and I would of made sure he did. There's the why I'm the boss."thumbsup"
Comes down to parents letting their kids teach them selfs.

Have you wrotten some bad feedback yet?

Oh, yeah. I have a thread over in the feedback section. He doesn't seem to care, though. The sad thing is that it's not a high dollar item. He's just been a little, punk douchebag with his attitude. He's acted like it's no big deal. I can't prove that he's lied to me, but he's promised to ship 3 seperate times and once claimed that he had the address wrong and it was sitting in a Post Office in another town, but if I gave him my address again (even though he could have just checked paypal) that he'd contact them and get it re-shipped. Yeah. Right.

He's a lying little douche, and I'm going to do my best to make sure nobody ever deals with him again.

Contractually any contract with a minor is voidable, but that simply means that the unbound party (minor) can repudiate the contract thus making it void and freeing them from any obligation to perform under that contract. In this case the contract would have been fulfilled, both parties made whole and there would be next to no case in the real world. I also believe it's pointless to bring issues of legality into online trading as the likelihood of any authority getting involved in this kind of stuff is slim to none.


I do however think that you raise a valid point in that traders have a right to know if they are dealing with a minor. I've been trading on forums since I was around 12 years old, but I also had the full consent and support of my parents ... something that isn't guaranteed. Issues include having transportation, access to funding and general maturity issues. Anyway, good thread and X2 ...

You don't have a cop buddy that could go by and talk to his parents.:ror:

I've seen at least one web forum (Airsoft Canada, when I was into that stuff) that actually have certain members considered age verifiers. If you want to be active in the forum, you have to meet up with one of these people, and your age is listed right under your screen name.

I personally don't know if I agree with it or not. It keeps the adults safe in sales, but seems like it could cause some safety issues for kids having their information public. It is easy for a reasonably smart person (usually with bad intentions) to find anything they want from just a screen name. My city and gender is about the only thing I'll make public, anything else stays in private messages or emails. This is not because of my age, just a general privacy/security thing.

And from the other side, I don't want to get ripped off by anyone, minor or not. Stuck up minors with ignorant parents are about the worst group, but (legality aside) that has nothing to do with age. I've had tons of internet deals, and only one real issue. The only thing I do is a general overview of the seller's posts just to make sure that they are at least a reasonably competent individual. Spelling, grammar, a thorough description, and decent pictures of the item go a heck of a long way.

I have several cop buddies here. I occasionally help out the local Sheriff Department with Training exercises. It's a great gig. I get to play the bad guy and shoot at the SRT Team officers with a paintball gun. I'm pretty decent friends with the Chief Deputy.

Unfortunately, I dont have any contacts in New Mexico. I'm really not out enough money to cash in a favor like that anyway. It's just my goal at this point to ruin the little punk on the forums.

After a threat through a PM here and through Paypal, he finally got back to me again.

This time, he claims that it will be delivered tomorrow via Fedex. It's kind of funny that last week, it was sitting in the Post Office in another town. Now it's getting FedEx'ed.

He also said that he had no tracking number or receipt to prove that it had been shipped, but his mother was able to call FedEx and they assured her it would ship tomorrow. He claims that his mother could call them and they could do that, but that she couldn't get a tracking number??? There's more holes in his stories that a block of Swiss Cheese. I just hope he's telling the truth so I can put this to rest...but I doubt it.

Oh, and not once through this whole deal has he ever apologized for it taking so long. He just gives his excuse and claims it's shipped. What a disrespectful little piece of crap.

Sometimes, I said sometimes ,they grow up to be just like their parents.:roll:

Amber Alert. Thats all I'm sayin'.

enough is enough