But it is shiny....

True what you are saying, it is just a play pretty. I've been down that road of tuning for every drop of power.

"thumbsup" Cant wait.

Retarded timing will only over heat the motor and cause the comm to wear quickly......retarded timing is never a good idea, no matter what you run/race.

Honestly, most people (like Steve :flipoff:) are going to want the timing set at 0 because they use both forward and reverse. I have finally gotten into the habit of not using reverse unless its ABSOLUTELY necessary. So for myself, I will probably have the timing set to around 12 degrees (depending on where I can get the best power of out the motor). "thumbsup"

EDIT: Also, smooth (really shiny) comms are not what you want. It will take the brushes forever to break in this way.

Pink Pearl eraser:twisted:

Exactly. "thumbsup"

Don't think you actually answered his question. :ror:

A motor can only make so much power. You need everything to work in concert to be able to make the most power possible. You need a fresh cut, you need aligned brush hoods, you need the proper brush, fresh bearings, and ... optimized timing. If you don't get all those things, and whatever else, right, then you're not making the most power possible.

So to have everything perfect, but not run the timing in the right spot, you're compromising your power output. But as you can see, some people are willing to give up ultimate power to have a little more power in reverse. Seems so silly. :mrgreen:

The label on this can tells the story:mrgreen:
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What is that motor?

Was just looking at that. Thats the Muchmore alignment tool, correct?

Looks like an old Trinity (Epic) Kinwald modified.

A D4 Dirtinator 13t triple. Picked up off a fellow RCCer
Yeah, the Muchmore deal.

Also correct on the motor!

Good can. "thumbsup"

:flipoff:Finals course Midwest?


?, On your rear motors, are you gonna spin the endbell 180 then and add the timing. Or set the timing -12 degrees and wire reversed polarity?

Yeah, but I only hit reverse long enough to keep it from flipping. :flipoff:


Right now, I am not sure how they are. Got to read a few more things first. Cant remember if the dyno works both ways or what. If it doesnt matter on the dyno, then I am going to make sure they all wire up correctly (red wire to pos tab on motor).

Couple things..

Never set your timing at zero exactly.... It causes the brushes to arc like mad....go a tick past zero... You won't be able to notice the difference in reverse...

Second.... Always align your hoods.... Your motor will always work better. We aligned the hoods even on our lathe motors or slave motors for the dyno.

Yes big Jim was an ass.... Had an ego but he was a great guy with a big heart....I miss him and eill always be greatful his help.


Later Eddieo

Nice tip. "thumbsup" I did not know this.


That's definitely my plan. Even our motors run run in forward 98 percent of the time (most of us anyway). :mrgreen:

I figured. The most thing that made me think this is what he says in his book about someone else trying to start a business.

He does seem (from what I read) like he has a huge heart for racing though.

I've always set a few degrees ahead. Don't where this 0 deal got started. Also what I said about hood alignment I believe was misunderstood, Of course get the most out of any motor. My point is just is getting a base set-up for crawling not setting up for the A-main at the IFMAR worlds.

Also Eddie I've read some posts from the past, you are one of the FEW Jim ever bragged on. That says a lot in itself.

I always run at least a few degrees of timing on my motors. The benefits in forward seem to outway the negatives in reverse. Glad to see your back in action Eddie. Cant wait to get some Team Brood motors in my brushed rigs.

Okay, so here is where I read that stuff...

Ha!

Thats what the man said and Ive built my motors that way ever since.

Very good.

You're speaking of the Cobra Lathe.

What's the adjustments?