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MattKimble 11-13-2020 06:18 AM
LOSI LMT.....Thoughts?
 
OK I am not sure why there has been no talk about this truck on here yet but i am sure you have all seen it by now. Here is my thoughts, lets hear yours.

First impressions after hearing and seeing all the videos is this.
Chassis is not as scale looking as i would have liked. But i am used to the smt10. However the differentials do look scale and are built tuff as nails.
The tires look perfect in scale however they did go with the short course style wheels that throw off that scale look but do perform really well. Stock electronics on the RTR are great! zero complaints other than it should of come with a battery and charger for new people in the sport but lets be honest this shouldn't be the first truck you buy entering the sport. The trans location is not scale but extremely fictional and effectively removes all torque twist. Also you motor will never not be aligned with the spur gear and the torque management will save lots of driveline parts.

Conclusion, its a bad ass, fast truck that can take a beating out of the box and be competitive on the race track if that's what your into. It just wont please the Monster Truck Purist on the looks department.

MaX-D 11-13-2020 07:06 AM
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There's a thread going over in chit chat about it.
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mdfjhm92 11-13-2020 10:53 AM
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I wonder if these axles will fit under the smt10

Growler 11-18-2020 12:38 PM
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SMT10 has the advantage that it has more scale look and you can easily use axles in other builds because many rims will fit and it has under-/overdrive options. Also it has true solid axle while LMT seems to have independent suspension looking dogbone shafts inside.

Kyosho Mad Crusher seems pretty close in size and weight but looks to be cheaper. maybe LMT fits into comp rules while Mad Crusher axles would not idk.

I do not like LMT axles because of internal shaft design, outer looks and those lower link attachment points. I would like to know if the axle bevel gears and other differential components would fit into Mad crusher to get under-/overdrive.

BJoe 11-18-2020 01:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Growler (Post 6053769)
SMT10 has the advantage that it has more scale look and you can easily use axles in other builds because many rims will fit and it has under-/overdrive options. Also it has true solid axle while LMT seems to have independent suspension looking dogbone shafts inside.

Kyosho Mad Crusher seems pretty close in size and weight but looks to be cheaper. maybe LMT fits into comp rules while Mad Crusher axles would not idk.

I do not like LMT axles because of internal shaft design, outer looks and those lower link attachment points. I would like to know if the axle bevel gears and other differential components would fit into Mad crusher to get under-/overdrive.
What are you looking at the axles at for?

For modern MT axles, they’re damn near dead on, if you’re looking at pre tube chassis MT axles, Wheely King axles look more scale than the AR10 axles, even the AX10/SCX10 axles are more scale looking.

Phildirt 11-18-2020 01:19 PM
Re: LOSI LMT.....Thoughts?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MattKimble (Post 6052963)
OK I am not sure why there has been no talk about this truck on here yet but i am sure you have all seen it by now. Here is my thoughts, lets hear yours.

First impressions after hearing and seeing all the videos is this.
Chassis is not as scale looking as i would have liked. But i am used to the smt10. However the differentials do look scale and are built tuff as nails.
The tires look perfect in scale however they did go with the short course style wheels that throw off that scale look but do perform really well. Stock electronics on the RTR are great! zero complaints other than it should of come with a battery and charger for new people in the sport but lets be honest this shouldn't be the first truck you buy entering the sport. The trans location is not scale but extremely fictional and effectively removes all torque twist. Also you motor will never not be aligned with the spur gear and the torque management will save lots of driveline parts.

Conclusion, its a bad ass, fast truck that can take a beating out of the box and be competitive on the race track if that's what your into. It just wont please the Monster Truck Purist on the looks department.

Agree with most of that. Biggest downer for me is the $600 price tag. I can do a lot to an SMT10 builder kit with that extra money. Heck it's double the price of the SMT10 RTR...not sure if it is that awesome. Kind of does the same thing too, wheelies and ramps. Kind of hard to screw that up, it either breaks or doesn't. I'd like to see some real world bashing on them before pulling the trigger (and tbh I probably won't ever buy one haha)

Growler 11-18-2020 02:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BJoe (Post 6053774)
What are you looking at the axles at for?

For modern MT axles, they’re damn near dead on, if you’re looking at pre tube chassis MT axles, Wheely King axles look more scale than the AR10 axles, even the AX10/SCX10 axles are more scale looking.
Why would I choose a hollow bulky axle housing that has to fit dogbone cups inside when I could go for narrower solid axle shaft with housing that packs some material instead of air? And how would those lower link mounts be beneficial to random custom offroad builds? Why would I choose specific purpose design for an RC vehicle when I can go for modular construction?

Why not AR60 with better plastics instead of completely new design? They have experience with AR60, they have Losi plastics formula, why not put those things together and have people upgrading their existing vehicles? Small desktop mills like Proxxon MF 70 etc are getting more and more attractive with every new release since pre HH Axial.

svt923 11-18-2020 02:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phildirt (Post 6053776)
Agree with most of that. Biggest downer for me is the $600 price tag. I can do a lot to an SMT10 builder kit with that extra money. Heck it's double the price of the SMT10 RTR...not sure if it is that awesome. Kind of does the same thing too, wheelies and ramps. Kind of hard to screw that up, it either breaks or doesn't. I'd like to see some real world bashing on them before pulling the trigger (and tbh I probably won't ever buy one haha)
$200 SMT10 kit + $300 in upgrades to drive using something more powerful than a brushed motor for 15 minutes > $400 LMT roller

I like my SMT10 but there is a ton of history with the Wraith that shows the AR60s aren’t up to abuse unless you replace everything on them and that only gets worse with monster truck tires. That is before considering the fact that no matter what you throw on your AR60s, they are perpetually stuck with pathetically weak diff gears that were never meant to hold up to a truck that size.

Phildirt 11-18-2020 02:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by svt923 (Post 6053789)
$200 SMT10 kit + $300 in upgrades to drive using something more powerful than a brushed motor for 15 minutes > $400 LMT roller

I like my SMT10 but there is a ton of history with the Wraith that shows the AR60s aren’t up to abuse unless you replace everything on them and that only gets worse with monster truck tires. That is before considering the fact that no matter what you throw on your AR60s, they are perpetually stuck with pathetically weak diff gears that were never meant to hold up to a truck that size.

I would like to know how many people actually break Ar60s using 'common sense' and driving the truck somewhat scale (MTs don't jump 100' in the air lol) and how much of that is just forum talk/worry. Dont get me wrong I see plenty of talk about them actually breaking, but compared to how many are out there it has to be a finite percentage. I liken it to everyone ranting about the GM G80/GovLock rear end grenading...yes aftermarket lockers are better, but considering they put that rear end in every SUV/truck for 20 years I think by and large they hold up in most applications.



Not sure if that made sense haha. I guess what I'm saying is "yes things break, but not usually when they are used as intended". Those AR60s are in a heck of a lot of RCs...

svt923 11-18-2020 04:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phildirt (Post 6053794)
I would like to know how many people actually break Ar60s using 'common sense' and driving the truck somewhat scale (MTs don't jump 100' in the air lol) and how much of that is just forum talk/worry.
From personal experience, my SMT10 has been through an aluminum servo horn, an aluminum servo saver, a trailing arm rod end, and a set of HD axle gears within the first 10 minutes of it being operational. I didn’t even get a chance to try something stupid with it. :mrgreen:

HumboldtEF 11-18-2020 04:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phildirt (Post 6053794)
I would like to know how many people actually break Ar60s using 'common sense' and driving the truck somewhat scale
Point is this is a MT and it will be bashed, thats its only job lol.

I agree about the AR60 being easy to grenade, I've gone through diff gears in all of my AR60 rigs except for a lightly used Bomber.

Dont forget the AR60's came on things like the Yeti Score trophy truck which was never intended to go slow.

One of my first impressions of the LMT was that the axles were ugly but now that I've thought about it a bit I dont care at all. What it really see here is that the MT crowd may not have to run AR60's anymore. Not for the sake of looks but in the hopes they're able to hold up the the abuse they're intended to see.

Then there's the RC4WD end of the spectrum for MT axles, how'd you like a super stretched yota 2 axle or whatever they've re-used on the Carbon Assault :flipoff:

MattKimble 11-19-2020 06:43 AM
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The Losi Axles are extremely scale looking to current monster jam trucks. They are all fabricated truss style just like that. Not to mention they can handle 3s bashing like no other solid axle on the market (Stock out of the box) Yes the SMT10 and AR60 can handle scale type jumps with a few upgrades or replacement metal housings, all of which cost money.

The LMT is faster, stronger and better handling than an SMT10 in every way. And because of that it costs more.

For those wanting to see real life bashing of it until it breaks go watch CCxRC on You Tube.

OSRC 11-19-2020 06:45 AM
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I've got my SMT set up with open diffs and 2.2's... I think clod tires and lockers are just too much for the axles unless you upgrade heavily. (Fun fact - the AR60 ring/pinion/diff was first rolled out in the HPI Nitro MT) AR60's seem much happier with smaller tires closer to what they were designed for.

I think Losi knocked this one out of the park. Very innovative and looks great! Kudos for a roller version too.

Growler 11-19-2020 11:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MattKimble (Post 6052963)
...The trans location is not scale but extremely fictional and effectively removes all torque twist. ...
How does it do that? Axle diff bevel gears seem in the same position as Axial Wraith for example. Or you mean from motor itself and not axle torque twist?

ROWDY RACING 11-19-2020 02:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Growler (Post 6053953)
How does it do that? Axle diff bevel gears seem in the same position as Axial Wraith for example. Or you mean from motor itself and not axle torque twist?
Correct, it removes motor torque, NOT axle torque twist, from what I have seen they still have decent torque twist.

Growler 11-20-2020 02:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROWDY RACING (Post 6053979)
Correct, it removes motor torque, NOT axle torque twist, from what I have seen they still have decent torque twist.
Interesting, I have watched some videos with big jumps with cars that have longitudinally aligned motor and never seen a tendency to roll around longitudinal axis. Always seem to nose up or nose down when using throttle or braking.

jcanuck 11-20-2020 03:08 PM
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the axles on the LMT remind of a rock bouncer "thumbsup"

HumboldtEF 11-20-2020 03:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Growler (Post 6054150)
Interesting, I have watched some videos with big jumps with cars that have longitudinally aligned motor and never seen a tendency to roll around longitudinal axis. Always seem to nose up or nose down when using throttle or braking.
that has more to do with the (typically large) tires spinning and creating rotational forces that can alter the pitch.

Growler 11-23-2020 12:50 PM
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Quote from Losi website: "Optional 12mm Aluminum Wheel Hex: We offer an optional 12mm aluminum wheel hex for the LMT so you can use aftermarket wheels and tires from such popular brands as Proline."

If Horizon Hobby owns both Losi and Proline, then is Proline really aftermarket?

BJoe 11-23-2020 06:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Growler (Post 6054555)
Quote from Losi website: "Optional 12mm Aluminum Wheel Hex: We offer an optional 12mm aluminum wheel hex for the LMT so you can use aftermarket wheels and tires from such popular brands as Proline."

If Horizon Hobby owns both Losi and Proline, then is Proline really aftermarket?

Well, if Dynamite and Duratrax are"thumbsup"

meatmonkey 12-03-2020 07:18 PM
Re: LOSI LMT.....Thoughts?
 
Looking through the parts listing shows that Losi claiming this truck has 1/8 drivetrain is a bit misleading. 1/8 stuff typically uses 8mm stub shafts and 8x16 bearings in most places. Looks like the stubs are 6mm and the diff carrier are 8x14. The LMT is certainly beefier than an SMT, but it seems that even more beef could have fit inside in keeping with 1/8 tradition.

Despite this nitpicking, I still want one.

ScaleLifeNewbie 12-03-2020 07:40 PM
LOSI LMT.....Thoughts?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by meatmonkey (Post 6056214)
Despite this nitpicking, I still want one.

Oh yeah for sure!

Does anybody think Axial or another brand would come out or try and rival it at some point? I don’t think they’d have much luck though.


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Phildirt 12-03-2020 08:35 PM
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No. Axial is selling a RTR for $299.00, different niche than a $600.00 version. I don’t see them doing that at all.

BJoe 12-03-2020 11:40 PM
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I’d buy one over a SMT10, even if it’s chassis isn’t as scale as the SMT10’s, the axles are more so and if it’s got all the thing the SMT needs already built into it for what would be a comparable price, why not?!

ScaleLifeNewbie 12-04-2020 12:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BJoe (Post 6056239)
I’d buy one over a SMT10, even if it’s chassis isn’t as scale as the SMT10’s, the axles are more so and if it’s got all the thing the SMT needs already built into it for what would be a comparable price, why not?!
Me freakin' too buddy! All day the Losi wins, unless you want a super scaled MT and don't care about bashing too hard.

BJoe 12-04-2020 01:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ScaleLifeNewbie (Post 6056247)
Me freakin' too buddy! All day the Losi wins, unless you want a super scaled MT and don't care about bashing too hard.
Yup, I figure that the RTR SMT would be good if my niece wants something like that over a Stampede once she’s old enough (she’s almost 14months, so there’s time yet:ror: ) or just to add to the Solid Axle MT collection I already have, but for the kind of abuse I built that one WK for, the LMT just makes more sense.

Phildirt 12-04-2020 06:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ScaleLifeNewbie (Post 6056247)
Me freakin' too buddy! All day the Losi wins, unless you want a super scaled MT and don't care about bashing too hard.
Broke your last SMT10 did you? :lmao:

Phildirt 12-04-2020 06:29 AM
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I guess my thing is I wouldnt even compare it to a SMT10. It’s a Losi. It’s well built and expensive like almost all of their offerings. I don’t think they were going after Axial, it’s a totally different truck. Entry level vs avid hobbyist. You could own both, not one or the other, and own them for different reasons. Nobody decides they have to choose the TRX4 over the Gen8, it’s just assumed one is better and it’s usually a budget/commitment thing. I will definitely grab a SMT10 kit in the future, who doesn’t want an ar60 based scale MT setup even if you can’t launch it 50’. Still cool. I probably won’t grab a LMT because I’m just not that serious about this part of the hobby. Or their desert trucks. No room to run them around here. /rant over lol

svt923 12-04-2020 07:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phildirt (Post 6056277)
I don’t think they were going after Axial, it’s a totally different truck.
Losi isn’t trying to compete with Axial because they are part of the same company. Horizon gets your solid axle monster truck money either way unless you buy a Clod Buster.

BJoe 12-04-2020 08:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by svt923 (Post 6056282)
Losi isn’t trying to compete with Axial because they are part of the same company. Horizon gets your solid axle monster truck money either way unless you buy a Clod Buster.
They still got mine and a friend’s money with our Clods, we both ordered them through Horizon and I’ve got a Spektrum servo in mine too!

Phildirt 12-04-2020 09:30 AM
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Yeah if you wanna look at it that way Amain has all my money lol. Point i was making is I wouldn’t even compare the 2 because I’d buy each for a different reason, not because I expect them to be similar. I don’t think Everest 10 when I’m looking at SMT10 builds for ideas haha.

ScaleLifeNewbie 12-04-2020 10:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phildirt (Post 6056271)
Broke your last SMT10 did you? :lmao:

Lol

I meant from my point of view, it definitely seems the LMT is more basher out of the box, while the SMT10 is more realistic/scale. Just my opinion, but I’m definitely going for the LMT when it’s released[emoji1690]


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ScaleLifeNewbie 12-04-2020 10:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phildirt (Post 6056296)
Yeah if you wanna look at it that way Amain has all my money lol. Point i was making is I wouldn’t even compare the 2 because I’d buy each for a different reason, not because I expect them to be similar. I don’t think Everest 10 when I’m looking at SMT10 builds for ideas haha.

Yeah, they each have their own purpose.


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Phildirt 12-04-2020 11:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ScaleLifeNewbie (Post 6056314)
Lol

I meant from my point of view, it definitely seems the LMT is more basher out of the box, while the SMT10 is more realistic/scale. Just my opinion, but I’m definitely going for the LMT when it’s released[emoji1690]


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They are both made to do the same thing. One just has a better chance of surviving without being upgraded. I wouldn’t necessarily consider the ar60s on the SMT10 to be scale at all. Or the wheelbase. Or the shock orientation. There are some decent scale MT builds in SBG, should check them out. The best example I saw had one off axle housings. Anything you get out of a box will have limitations both mechanically and cosmetically I think.

If you really want a chuckle go back to the early SMT10 posts in this forum and elsewhere on the net, I stumbled across quite a few in my searching. It was getting as much hype if not more than this rig when it hit the scene. Even when it became evident that it had drivetrain issues with big power and jumps, what’s a little upgrading.

BJoe 12-04-2020 12:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phildirt (Post 6056296)
Yeah if you wanna look at it that way Amain has all my money lol. Point i was making is I wouldn’t even compare the 2 because I’d buy each for a different reason, not because I expect them to be similar. I don’t think Everest 10 when I’m looking at SMT10 builds for ideas haha.
Lol, yeah.....A-Main got a lot of my money too, for a bunch of my vehicles:ror:

ScaleLifeNewbie 12-04-2020 12:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BJoe (Post 6056325)
Lol, yeah.....A-Main got a lot of my money too, for a bunch of my vehicles:ror:

I can relate too! Amain is the only place I go!


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BJoe 12-04-2020 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ScaleLifeNewbie (Post 6056329)
I can relate too! Amain is the only place I go!


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Sadly, the HobbyTown I worked for is still open, but I refuse to shop there any more and all the other shops are almost an hour drive each way, so online is just easier unless I need to eyeball something to see if it might fit.

ScaleLifeNewbie 12-04-2020 01:08 PM
LOSI LMT.....Thoughts?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BJoe (Post 6056331)
Sadly, the HobbyTown I worked for is still open, but I refuse to shop there any more and all the other shops are almost an hour drive each way, so online is just easier unless I need to eyeball something to see if it might fit.

Hobby town was my go to in Indiana since it’s was only 4 minutes away, until they closed. Then I started going to Indy RC, and that’s where I got my TRX4. They’re really cool there, I needed 2 screws for my RC before the TRX4 and they happen to have the right ones in their parts drawer, and they just gave them to me! Cool place.

Online is my only option, unless I wanted to go over to Oahu everytime I needed something for my rig if I couldn’t find at Ace lmao.


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Phildirt 12-04-2020 02:21 PM
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There aren’t many hobby shops here. Mom and pop one called Hurricane Hobbies. Super nice, real helpful but they are more geared towards planes. Looked into those but they are 10x more expensive than tiny trucks.

ScaleLifeNewbie 12-04-2020 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Phildirt (Post 6056346)
There aren’t many hobby shops here. Mom and pop one called Hurricane Hobbies. Super nice, real helpful but they are more geared towards planes. Looked into those but they are 10x more expensive than tiny trucks.

Surprising, is there not many crawlers in your area?


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