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OldSchoolCrawler · 10-29-2005, 05:19 PM

Looking to build a scale trails truck and wondering if the tlt axles are the only way to go. Or if the PTI goliath axles can provide the same scale look, function and reliability.

I would greatly appreciate any input into this.

Thanks

Plays_with_Toys · 10-29-2005, 05:41 PM

Oh yeah, PTI and TLT will both work. It comes down to parts availability and do you want to pay $70 for axles, or $220.

OldSchoolCrawler · 10-29-2005, 05:49 PM

220 for what!?!?! the axles for the goliath?

Amaxx · 10-29-2005, 05:51 PM

yup, the tlt from ultimatehobbies.com is 80 bucks, and the goliath, is well..... way more than that ^^^^

OldSchoolCrawler · 10-29-2005, 06:02 PM

Good god man. that is nuts. I just wanna build a scale trails rig not finance a companies christmas party. Well Thanks for makeing up my mind fellas. Now all I need to do is sell this damn rs4 and get myself a tlt.

Thanks again for the input
KEITH.

Plays_with_Toys · 10-29-2005, 06:03 PM

The PTI seems like a cool truck, but the price tag is why you don't see alot of buildups, when compared to the bargain the TLT is.

moonbuggy · 10-30-2005, 11:35 AM

the pti axles don't have the bearing the tlt does at the end of the housing so crap can get in, and the axles themselves are a lot smaller.

badger · 10-30-2005, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by moonbuggy

the pti axles don't have the bearing the tlt does at the end of the housing so crap can get in, and the axles themselves are a lot smaller.

Wow, great pic!

I can't believe the difference in size between the the axles. With peeps breaking TLT axles so much I can't see how the PTI ones are going to hold up. Maybe there made out of a stonger material. :?

badhoopty · 10-30-2005, 12:23 PM

that is indeed a nice pic. i didnt know the pti's were THAT sketchy.

the tlt kit is the best way to go. you get a boatload of extra hardware to help the build with. well worth the 80 bucks.

Plays_with_Toys · 10-30-2005, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by badger

Wow, great pic!

I can't believe the difference in size between the the axles. With peeps breaking TLT axles so much I can't see how the PTI ones are going to hold up. Maybe there made out of a stonger material. :?

I don't think thats the reason TLT's break. I think people who break have really strong servos and are turning the truck while giving lots of power. The bind created by the fact the servo can throw farther than the dog bone coupling will allow, makes it snap. Seeing bender and can't remember his name (blue VW bug from the colorado winter comp. 1) who both have shaved down wheel axles, and the massive amount of steering they have, I realized that is the spot that creates the bind.

badhoopty · 10-30-2005, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Plays_with_Toys

I don't think thats the reason TLT's break. I think people who break have really strong servos and are turning the truck while giving lots of power. The bind created by the fact the servo can throw farther than the dog bone coupling will allow, makes it snap. Seeing bender and can't remember his name (blue VW bug from the colorado winter comp. 1) who both have shaved down wheel axles, and the massive amount of steering they have, I realized that is the spot that creates the bind.

i've broke a couple axles and drive cups. some i believe were from turning the knuckle too far and binding the shaft and cup, but i snapped an axleshaft doing wheelies on carpet. ;) but those were the old-style thinner axle shafts.

figured i'd mention that the last tlt kit i bought from ultimate had the updated thicker axle shafts and shaved cups, but also had updated axle cases with extra material molded into the front section to prevent the knuckle from turning too far.

BENDER · 10-30-2005, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plays_with_Toys

I don't think thats the reason TLT's break. I think people who break have really strong servos and are turning the truck while giving lots of power. The bind created by the fact the servo can throw farther than the dog bone coupling will allow, makes it snap. Seeing bender and can't remember his name (blue VW bug from the colorado winter comp. 1) who both have shaved down wheel axles, and the massive amount of steering they have, I realized that is the spot that creates the bind.

I agree, grinding the outer cups back is a must. I snapped the ends off a couple inner stafts, running bearings. Sparky kept breaking the outer cups, with bushings. So, if you don't grind the cups back, there's definitely some bindage going on.

Here's a link to a couple pics comparing my front outer cups to the rears.
TLT Rockbuster, TLT Max Climber

That's cool to hear your last TLT kit came with the upgraded shafts hoopty.

OldSchoolCrawler · 10-30-2005, 04:47 PM

Hey guys thanks alot, this info is realy going to help with my forthcomeing project. I hope to be starting it soon and I'm sure I'll have more questions on some of the little stuff.

One question to start with is, do the pajero rear axle and the tlt axle have the same internal ratio? I'm looking at the passebility of useing a jero rear end for a more scale touch to avoid unrealistic stearing lockout rods.

Plays_with_Toys · 10-30-2005, 05:19 PM

If I remember correctly, the pajero has a 2.77:1 internal and the TLT has a 3:1. The axles are also a different width. Tamiya semi's use common parts to the TLT.

Zombie76 · 10-30-2005, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by moonbuggy

That's a ton of grease.

sim · 10-31-2005, 03:00 AM

The TLT ratio is 2.66:1
(40T/15T).

badhoopty · 10-31-2005, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Zombie76

That's a ton of grease.

that aint a 4th of what i pack in there...

aircooled rc · 10-31-2005, 04:58 PM

The ENTIRE kit is $220. How can you say axles are 220? They just dont sell a complete kit for just axles.

Jeesh, you guys are spreading misinformation like crazy!

And my Goliath has many hours of offroad time and the axles are in perfect shape. Ive given it some pretty harsh spills with no evidence of wear. And if they do break, they are available seperatly for like 20 bucks, so whats the big deal?

Jrdrag3991 · 10-31-2005, 05:02 PM

They meant most people will only use the axles. Look at most of the TLT build up, about the only thing the use out of the kit are the axles.

Plays_with_Toys · 10-31-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jrdrag3991

They meant most people will only use the axles. Look at most of the TLT build up, about the only thing the use out of the kit are the axles.

Or any other truck for that matter. And the PTI is not RTR. The TLT is not RTR. For $220 you will have a roller TLT totally ready to rock crawl, probably with electronics too where as with a PTI, you're at $220 and still have a ways to go. The PTI could probably be a good truck, for those with the money for it.

10-29-2005, 05:19 PM	#1
OldSchoolCrawler Rock Stacker Join Date: May 2005 Location: castlerock Posts: 97	PTI vs. TLT Looking to build a scale trails truck and wondering if the tlt axles are the only way to go. Or if the PTI goliath axles can provide the same scale look, function and reliability. I would greatly appreciate any input into this. Thanks

10-29-2005, 05:41 PM	#2
Plays_with_Toys I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Centennial, CO Posts: 2,129	Oh yeah, PTI and TLT will both work. It comes down to parts availability and do you want to pay $70 for axles, or $220.

10-29-2005, 05:49 PM	#3
OldSchoolCrawler Rock Stacker Join Date: May 2005 Location: castlerock Posts: 97	220 for what!?!?! the axles for the goliath?

10-29-2005, 05:51 PM	#4
Amaxx Pebble Pounder Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kenosha Posts: 181	yup, the tlt from ultimatehobbies.com is 80 bucks, and the goliath, is well..... way more than that ^^^^

10-29-2005, 06:02 PM	#5
OldSchoolCrawler Rock Stacker Join Date: May 2005 Location: castlerock Posts: 97	Good god man. that is nuts. I just wanna build a scale trails rig not finance a companies christmas party. Well Thanks for makeing up my mind fellas. Now all I need to do is sell this damn rs4 and get myself a tlt. Thanks again for the input KEITH.

10-29-2005, 06:03 PM	#6
Plays_with_Toys I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Centennial, CO Posts: 2,129	The PTI seems like a cool truck, but the price tag is why you don't see alot of buildups, when compared to the bargain the TLT is.

10-30-2005, 11:35 AM	#7
moonbuggy Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ventura Posts: 326	the pti axles don't have the bearing the tlt does at the end of the housing so crap can get in, and the axles themselves are a lot smaller.

10-30-2005, 12:23 PM	#9
badhoopty Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 2,814	that is indeed a nice pic. i didnt know the pti's were THAT sketchy. the tlt kit is the best way to go. you get a boatload of extra hardware to help the build with. well worth the 80 bucks.

10-30-2005, 04:47 PM	#13
OldSchoolCrawler Rock Stacker Join Date: May 2005 Location: castlerock Posts: 97	Hey guys thanks alot, this info is realy going to help with my forthcomeing project. I hope to be starting it soon and I'm sure I'll have more questions on some of the little stuff. One question to start with is, do the pajero rear axle and the tlt axle have the same internal ratio? I'm looking at the passebility of useing a jero rear end for a more scale touch to avoid unrealistic stearing lockout rods.

10-30-2005, 05:19 PM	#14
Plays_with_Toys I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Centennial, CO Posts: 2,129	If I remember correctly, the pajero has a 2.77:1 internal and the TLT has a 3:1. The axles are also a different width. Tamiya semi's use common parts to the TLT.

10-31-2005, 03:00 AM	#16
sim Quarry Creeper Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Malaysia Posts: 374	The TLT ratio is 2.66:1 (40T/15T).

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10-31-2005, 04:58 PM	#18
aircooled rc Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 4	The ENTIRE kit is $220. How can you say axles are 220? They just dont sell a complete kit for just axles. Jeesh, you guys are spreading misinformation like crazy! And my Goliath has many hours of offroad time and the axles are in perfect shape. Ive given it some pretty harsh spills with no evidence of wear. And if they do break, they are available seperatly for like 20 bucks, so whats the big deal?

10-31-2005, 05:02 PM	#19
Jrdrag3991 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: SW Burbs Posts: 23	They meant most people will only use the axles. Look at most of the TLT build up, about the only thing the use out of the kit are the axles.

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