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Ampdraw · 07-10-2009, 03:24 AM

Just picked up the AX10 Scorpion for my son and I must say I'm somewhat disappointed at what I got for the $400 spent. This thing is all cheap plastic, not to mention "Ready To Crawl" means you also have to spend a $100+ additional for a garbage garage made looking battery and charger. That's not "Ready To Crawl" when it doesn't include everything needed in the box, it shouldn't be marketed as such when it is not ready to crawl.

For the $400 total I actually spent to have this ready to crawl I would have also expected a user manual. There was a nice looking book in the box, but it had zero information within it for a first time user, its only a parts manual with no clear indication of what actual parts you have. There's a bag filled with plastic additional parts and nothing in this manual even explaining what these are?

Was I able to figure out I needed a battery and charger, how to get the thing actually working, of course, a manual user for $400 should have come without saying though.

I guess here is what I am in hope of someone at Axial actually reading.

Number 1, don't market your product as "Ready to crawl" if you aren't including everything to make it actually ready to crawl, IE a battery and charger. If you can't open the box and crawl it is not ready to crawl, its false advertisement and when a competitor comes out with a product truly "ready to crawl" out of the box by just including a battery and charger your going to get called on your false advertisement.

Number 2, the "stage 2 kit" available from CKRC. Why isn't this already just a standard out of the box improvement on your product?

Number 3, the split battery pack, again, cheers to CKRC for offering a common sense improvement to this design flaw of placing the heaviest component highest on the chassis. Why isn't it just like this out of the box?

Number 4, the cheap 27MHz controller, why? Seems the standard with everyone is 2.4GHz. The frequency you make the thing operate at is not costing you any additional money to produce, why would you not just make the thing out of the box on the well accepted 2.4GHz frequency?

Just a first time user impression trying to give you some feed back. The product is great, but the cheap plastic build leaves me feeling like this thing is equal to something I'd of bought at Walmart for $49, not worthy of the spent $400.

For the $400 I spent on this thing I would have expected the above mentioned to of been standard, and the suspension arms to of been made out of aluminum as well as the steering components. Drive gears off the motor should also be out of the box metal, not plastic. For the high price tag your so proud of on this product more should be received before you just call it ready to crawl.

EeePee · 07-10-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ampdraw

Number 2, the "stage 2 kit" available from CKRC. Why isn't this already just a standard out of the box improvement on your product?

Not an improvement in my opinion, and actually a hindrance. Bad link geometry.

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Originally Posted by Ampdraw

Number 3, the split battery pack, again, cheers to CKRC for offering a common sense improvement

Not the first to bring those to the market. Heck I had a split pack on mine before TCS came out with their plates.

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Originally Posted by Ampdraw

and the suspension arms to of been made out of aluminum as well as the steering components. Drive gears off the motor should also be out of the box metal, not plastic.

I've taken the metal parts off my truck and replaced them with plastic, but of course that's just me. Plastic is much slipperier than aluminum. Though I do have aluminum steering links...

Hey, you can't please all the people all the time. A little more research on your part and you might have bought something else and been a more happy crawler dad?

Tupers · 07-10-2009, 03:07 PM

So you're mad because you didn't research the product you where buying??

axman2010 · 07-10-2009, 03:16 PM

wow you complain way to much, you should have read about things first, find out which one is best suited for you. The worst thing you can do is come on here and bitch about a stand up company. You have to realize that there target for this product is to get people going, get them into the hobby. And if you think $400 is a lot to spend on a comp rig, try about $900 plus like 95% of the people on here have done. And if you think I am being harsh, well good because I am...

Code454 · 07-10-2009, 03:16 PM

people are always expecting more for the price, its ready to crawl which doesnt mean its ready to take out of box and start driving yes it means you have to buy some more stuff but thats the whole thing about the hobby is buy and selling and making parts to enjoy it even more

Rc Casper · 07-10-2009, 03:24 PM

It is completly normal that you have to bay bat. and chager for RTR (RTC)models, so if you just did a "little" research you would know

slimeball · 07-10-2009, 03:28 PM

I dont think I have ever bought an RTR (in this case RTC) car that I was completely happy with outa the box.

Its the nature of the hobby...buy, buy upgrades, install, play and then break and rebuild...get used to it.

shoulda looked at the damn thing before you layed down the greens.

RiZZa · 07-10-2009, 03:36 PM

Maybe Axial should have supplied a charged up battery as well ? dickhead

dieselfuel · 07-10-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ampdraw

Just picked up the AX10 Scorpion for my son and I must say I'm somewhat disappointed at what I got for the $400 spent. This thing is all cheap plastic, not to mention "Ready To Crawl" means you also have to spend a $100+ additional for a garbage garage made looking battery and charger. That's not "Ready To Crawl" when it doesn't include everything needed in the box, it shouldn't be marketed as such when it is not ready to crawl.

-traxxas and associated dont give you batteries or chargers with their RTR vehicles, you gonna go yell at them too? batteries and chargers aren't included with 90% of the RTR vehicles out there, get used to it.

For the $400 total I actually spent to have this ready to crawl I would have also expected a user manual. There was a nice looking book in the box, but it had zero information within it for a first time user, its only a parts manual with no clear indication of what actual parts you have. There's a bag filled with plastic additional parts and nothing in this manual even explaining what these are?

-this i understand,i guess for someone totally new to it that has no knowledge of what it is a manual would be helpful.

Was I able to figure out I needed a battery and charger, how to get the thing actually working, of course, a manual user for $400 should have come without saying though.

I guess here is what I am in hope of someone at Axial actually reading.

Number 1, don't market your product as "Ready to crawl" if you aren't including everything to make it actually ready to crawl, IE a battery and charger. If you can't open the box and crawl it is not ready to crawl, its false advertisement and when a competitor comes out with a product truly "ready to crawl" out of the box by just including a battery and charger your going to get called on your false advertisement.

-again, go ahead and sue traxxas, associated, axial, hpi and losi... they're all lying sons of bitches.

Number 2, the "stage 2 kit" available from CKRC. Why isn't this already just a standard out of the box improvement on your product?

-and why don't other vehicles already come with all the available aftermarket parts already one them? oh yeah BECAUSE THEY'RE AFTERMARKET UPGRADES! my traxxas slash didn't come out of the box with RPM arms, knuckles and caster blocks on it, i guess i should be pissed off too huh?

Number 3, the split battery pack, again, cheers to CKRC for offering a common sense improvement to this design flaw of placing the heaviest component highest on the chassis. Why isn't it just like this out of the box?

-again, aftermarket upgrades...

Number 4, the cheap 27MHz controller, why? Seems the standard with everyone is 2.4GHz. The frequency you make the thing operate at is not costing you any additional money to produce, why would you not just make the thing out of the box on the well accepted 2.4GHz frequency?

-because then it would have cost $500 and you'd bitch even more...

Just a first time user impression trying to give you some feed back. The product is great, but the cheap plastic build leaves me feeling like this thing is equal to something I'd of bought at Walmart for $49, not worthy of the spent $400.

-rock crawling is not cheap, never has been... thousands of us on here have $1000+ into just one competition rig, axial did this to keep the cost down and make it more entry level friendly. yes $400 is entry level, if thats hard to swallow then maybe rock crawling isn't for you.

For the $400 I spent on this thing I would have expected the above mentioned to of been standard, and the suspension arms to of been made out of aluminum as well as the steering components. Drive gears off the motor should also be out of the box metal, not plastic. For the high price tag your so proud of on this product more should be received before you just call it ready to crawl.

-you mean the spur gear on the tranny? take a few min, look around here on RCC and count the number of guys running metal spur gears..

...

barbaricboye · 07-10-2009, 03:43 PM

$400-whoa.... is that what they are going for? must be from a LHS

the CKRC stage 2 is a joke-sorry

RTR-that is basically telling you it is chit. Now you know.

Im on both sides, but leaning towards "you should've done some research".

$400

slimeball · 07-10-2009, 03:45 PM

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Number 1, don't market your product as "Ready to crawl" if you aren't including everything to make it actually ready to crawl, IE a battery and charger. If you can't open the box and crawl it is not ready to crawl, its false advertisement and when a competitor comes out with a product truly "ready to crawl" out of the box by just including a battery and charger your going to get called on your false advertisement.

-again, go ahead and sue traxxas, associated, axial, hpi and losi... they're all lying sons of bitches

doh:-x

I knew I had a case when my supposed "RTR" Revo didnt come with a full tank of nitro!!

dieselfuel · 07-10-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by slimeball

doh:-x

I knew I had a case when my supposed "RTR" Revo didnt come with a full tank of nitro!!

hahahahaa

MadForce · 07-10-2009, 04:22 PM

Shoot now I feel totally scammed. I have bought more than 30 competition kits in my life and none of them even had an engine inside. Not to mention tools, glues, silicones tada tada. And the worst part is that all of them were advertised as champion or championship editions and I have only won one. Damn why didn't they include Hars' hands with the kits??? SOBs.

slimeball · 07-10-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MadForce

Shoot now I feel totally scammed.... And the worst part is that all of them were advertised as champion or championship editions and I have only won one....

you clearly got scammed, my last championship edition buggy had Atsushi Hara crammed in there. I just had to feed him and he was good to go.

theslowguy · 07-10-2009, 04:39 PM

Dont be too hard on the guy, but from the sounds of it he should be more mad at the lhs for getting a premium for a truck that sells for $250 and probably getting the same premium for the batteries and charger. If I was brand spankin new to the sport and got a wallet reaming like that for what the rtr/rtc is Id be upset too. Prolly could have been avoided by some research yes, but how many of us have made an impulse buy and not did our homework?

I can almost quarantee all of us.

slimeball · 07-10-2009, 04:43 PM

ya...but most of us knows whose fault it is...

Tupers · 07-10-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by theslowguy

but how many of us have made an impulse buy and not did our homework?

I can almost quarantee all of us.

I haven't.

MadForce · 07-10-2009, 04:53 PM

Usually my impulse buys are stuff that are brand new to the market and I am well aware that I will face infancy probs. It is not like everybody finds 400$ on the sidewalk and decides to spend it in something that is in the market for 2 years and then complain about it without even breaking something of having a part go bad from the factory...

Now I have said this before, it is not whining when something breaks out of the box and you complain about it. But what this guy did for a first post is exactly what made Kamikaze start a whole thread about.

Come on, if you spend 400$ on something that usually goes for 300$ (battery and cheap rtr charger included) then the problem lies with the buyer not the product.

theslowguy · 07-10-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tupers

I haven't.

And we all wish we could be as perfect as you.

:-P

theslowguy · 07-10-2009, 04:57 PM

Valid point madforce, maybe the guy has more $ laying around than us?

I guess I just wanted to stick up for the new guy, no matter how misguided:-P

Just imagine this. From the sounds of it hes completely new. Where do you go to learn first hand about the hobby? The hobby store. If you know less than 0 about the sport you will more than likely believe 99% of what the guy at the lhs says, I mean he deals with this for a living. Buy what the guy suggests and go home thinkin you are ready to rock. The thing is hances are the person who sold him all this crap was prolly some know-it-all punk and was just feeding him some bs to make a good sale. This is more than likely the senario that played out. Thats how most people get into the sport is to just go to the lhs and see whats up? Again. could have been avoided by pressing the search button, but hey everyone makes mistakes. Im just tryin to defend the guy a little.

07-10-2009, 03:24 AM	#1
Ampdraw Newbie Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sparks Posts: 42	New to the Axial Scorpion, complaints Just picked up the AX10 Scorpion for my son and I must say I'm somewhat disappointed at what I got for the $400 spent. This thing is all cheap plastic, not to mention "Ready To Crawl" means you also have to spend a $100+ additional for a garbage garage made looking battery and charger. That's not "Ready To Crawl" when it doesn't include everything needed in the box, it shouldn't be marketed as such when it is not ready to crawl. For the $400 total I actually spent to have this ready to crawl I would have also expected a user manual. There was a nice looking book in the box, but it had zero information within it for a first time user, its only a parts manual with no clear indication of what actual parts you have. There's a bag filled with plastic additional parts and nothing in this manual even explaining what these are? Was I able to figure out I needed a battery and charger, how to get the thing actually working, of course, a manual user for $400 should have come without saying though. I guess here is what I am in hope of someone at Axial actually reading. Number 1, don't market your product as "Ready to crawl" if you aren't including everything to make it actually ready to crawl, IE a battery and charger. If you can't open the box and crawl it is not ready to crawl, its false advertisement and when a competitor comes out with a product truly "ready to crawl" out of the box by just including a battery and charger your going to get called on your false advertisement. Number 2, the "stage 2 kit" available from CKRC. Why isn't this already just a standard out of the box improvement on your product? Number 3, the split battery pack, again, cheers to CKRC for offering a common sense improvement to this design flaw of placing the heaviest component highest on the chassis. Why isn't it just like this out of the box? Number 4, the cheap 27MHz controller, why? Seems the standard with everyone is 2.4GHz. The frequency you make the thing operate at is not costing you any additional money to produce, why would you not just make the thing out of the box on the well accepted 2.4GHz frequency? Just a first time user impression trying to give you some feed back. The product is great, but the cheap plastic build leaves me feeling like this thing is equal to something I'd of bought at Walmart for $49, not worthy of the spent $400. For the $400 I spent on this thing I would have expected the above mentioned to of been standard, and the suspension arms to of been made out of aluminum as well as the steering components. Drive gears off the motor should also be out of the box metal, not plastic. For the high price tag your so proud of on this product more should be received before you just call it ready to crawl.

07-10-2009, 04:57 PM	#20
theslowguy Rock Crawler Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Appleton, Wi Posts: 660	Valid point madforce, maybe the guy has more $ laying around than us? I guess I just wanted to stick up for the new guy, no matter how misguided:-P Just imagine this. From the sounds of it hes completely new. Where do you go to learn first hand about the hobby? The hobby store. If you know less than 0 about the sport you will more than likely believe 99% of what the guy at the lhs says, I mean he deals with this for a living. Buy what the guy suggests and go home thinkin you are ready to rock. The thing is hances are the person who sold him all this crap was prolly some know-it-all punk and was just feeding him some bs to make a good sale. This is more than likely the senario that played out. Thats how most people get into the sport is to just go to the lhs and see whats up? Again. could have been avoided by pressing the search button, but hey everyone makes mistakes. Im just tryin to defend the guy a little. Last edited by theslowguy; 07-10-2009 at 05:08 PM.

07-10-2009, 03:07 PM	#3
Tupers Rock Crawler Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Great Britain Posts: 935	So you're mad because you didn't research the product you where buying??

07-10-2009, 03:16 PM	#4
axman2010 Rock Crawler Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Portland Posts: 550	wow you complain way to much, you should have read about things first, find out which one is best suited for you. The worst thing you can do is come on here and bitch about a stand up company. You have to realize that there target for this product is to get people going, get them into the hobby. And if you think $400 is a lot to spend on a comp rig, try about $900 plus like 95% of the people on here have done. And if you think I am being harsh, well good because I am...

07-10-2009, 03:16 PM	#5
Code454 Hateraide Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Mission BC Posts: 1,538	people are always expecting more for the price, its ready to crawl which doesnt mean its ready to take out of box and start driving yes it means you have to buy some more stuff but thats the whole thing about the hobby is buy and selling and making parts to enjoy it even more

07-10-2009, 03:24 PM	#6
Rc Casper Rock Stacker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Denmark Posts: 58	It is completly normal that you have to bay bat. and chager for RTR (RTC)models, so if you just did a "little" research you would know

07-10-2009, 03:28 PM	#7
slimeball Rock Stacker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: cali Posts: 75	I dont think I have ever bought an RTR (in this case RTC) car that I was completely happy with outa the box. Its the nature of the hobby...buy, buy upgrades, install, play and then break and rebuild...get used to it. shoulda looked at the damn thing before you layed down the greens.

07-10-2009, 03:36 PM	#8
RiZZa Rock Stacker Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Logan, QLD , Australia Posts: 97	Maybe Axial should have supplied a charged up battery as well ? dickhead

07-10-2009, 03:43 PM	#10
barbaricboye Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Back in Sunny SoCal Posts: 210	$400-whoa.... is that what they are going for? must be from a LHS the CKRC stage 2 is a joke-sorry RTR-that is basically telling you it is chit. Now you know. Im on both sides, but leaning towards "you should've done some research". $400

07-10-2009, 04:22 PM	#13
MadForce RCC Addict Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Greece, sun, sea and rocks Posts: 1,242	Shoot now I feel totally scammed. I have bought more than 30 competition kits in my life and none of them even had an engine inside. Not to mention tools, glues, silicones tada tada. And the worst part is that all of them were advertised as champion or championship editions and I have only won one. Damn why didn't they include Hars' hands with the kits??? SOBs.

07-10-2009, 04:39 PM	#15
theslowguy Rock Crawler Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Appleton, Wi Posts: 660	Dont be too hard on the guy, but from the sounds of it he should be more mad at the lhs for getting a premium for a truck that sells for $250 and probably getting the same premium for the batteries and charger. If I was brand spankin new to the sport and got a wallet reaming like that for what the rtr/rtc is Id be upset too. Prolly could have been avoided by some research yes, but how many of us have made an impulse buy and not did our homework? I can almost quarantee all of us.

07-10-2009, 04:43 PM	#16
slimeball Rock Stacker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: cali Posts: 75	ya...but most of us knows whose fault it is...

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07-10-2009, 04:53 PM	#18
MadForce RCC Addict Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Greece, sun, sea and rocks Posts: 1,242	Usually my impulse buys are stuff that are brand new to the market and I am well aware that I will face infancy probs. It is not like everybody finds 400$ on the sidewalk and decides to spend it in something that is in the market for 2 years and then complain about it without even breaking something of having a part go bad from the factory... Now I have said this before, it is not whining when something breaks out of the box and you complain about it. But what this guy did for a first post is exactly what made Kamikaze start a whole thread about. Come on, if you spend 400$ on something that usually goes for 300$ (battery and cheap rtr charger included) then the problem lies with the buyer not the product.

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