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J-Money · 10-06-2009, 12:13 AM

Hey guys I am a extreme compentition 3d rc heli pilot and am looking to do a little compentition rock crawling its either a berg with duel esc ? " i can use my 9303 heli radio" or a losi? And I know since I am in the berg section posting this what you are going to say

but being new to this I dont want to be stuck with a peice of junk

So some info on the best electronics,rims,chasis's or kind of steer me in the right direction would be helpful this would be my first crawler bulid but I am very mech incline" union sheet metal worker" so I dont think I will have a problem? Cause I herd bergs are hard to build. thank you any info would be helfull.

atekt · 10-06-2009, 12:19 AM

Both are proven winners. You really cant go wrong with either one, but after owning both Id say Berg. It just fits me better, thats not to say its "better" just better for me

flip2spin23 · 10-06-2009, 05:36 AM

Berg

wrightcs77 · 10-06-2009, 05:42 AM

Man.....tough to say. I had a berg for a full season and beat the tar out of it. I ran dual esc's, hand wound 35T's and Futaba 4PK. I loved it, it was durable and capable as can be. I only ever broke a front 3rd gear, but that was because a bearing went out. Now I run a Losi with Eritex MOA installed, same electronics. I find the rig nice, but just different than the Berg. It is a little more of a finesse vehicle. Once I get V3 CVD's, I will have not fear of breaking it. But, it does have a lot more motor stall. With the Berg, if I got wedged, I could just muscle through an area. With the Losi, that is not possible. I think I would go back to a Berg and try to get it in the 5 1/2 lb range. Right now my Losi is 5 lbs RTR and it seems a hair too light.

ynmech · 10-06-2009, 07:39 AM

It all depends on your style, I just finished building a berg for a friend and tuned ti a bit. I own an MOA Losi and they are night and day. The Losi is more of a strategic rig than the burg. That being said it goes to practice, right now there are lines I can do with the Losi I can't do yet with the burg. Also its not my burg t tune to me so its all about you and your style. You do have to get used to using the dig more on the Losi.
Just my 2 cents.

paystin · 10-06-2009, 07:49 AM

I currently have a Losi in shafty form and it's the best crawler I've driven. Having said that, I have never driven a Berg and I'm thinking about building one very soon.
The Losi is a great car right out of the box and you can make it perform with just a few minor tweaks. The only thing stopping me form making a Berg is I'm not really good at making my own parts so it scraes me a little bit to have something break on it and where do I go for help. I've seen Bergs do some crazy climbs that no other car can but a Losi wins most of our comps because of the driver. Either one is good to me.

cruz*hotboxrc · 10-06-2009, 09:09 AM

BERG

Tyler Kadlec · 10-06-2009, 09:23 AM

Berg, If you want something to start maybe try the ckrc competition package roller and just use your own electronics, 35t motors and most people i see are running with either dual fxr's or mamba max's. OR you could use 1 esc and a punk dig switch, those are nice. Currently im running 1 esc and switches until i have enough money to buy another one. Or most people are running the beetle juice chassis or the rockshow. They are proven also. But YOU CANT GO WRONG WITH A CDW CHASSIS tho. Dna wheels, Vanquish, or Mayhem are all good wheels too. Good quality and support.

Tyler

flip2spin23 · 10-06-2009, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paystin

The Losi is a great car right out of the box and you can make it perform with just a few minor tweaks. The only thing stopping me form making a Berg is I'm not really good at making my own parts so it scraes me a little bit to have something break on it and where do I go for help. I've seen Bergs do some crazy climbs that no other car can but a Losi wins most of our comps because of the driver. Either one is good to me.

Real crawlers are built not bought

slowngreen · 10-06-2009, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flip2spin23

Real crawlers are built not bought

kasper · 10-06-2009, 10:51 AM

I also have both the moa losi works nice rear motor has way to much clod stall as for the berg very nice choice.

Harley · 10-06-2009, 10:55 AM

What won Worlds again? oh yeah.........BERG!

Here is my suggested setup to you:
Berg Axles
Vanquish or T1E chassis depending if you want to run a body or bodiless
Vanquish DH fronts and SLW rears
Holmes 35t Handwounds
Tekin FXR x 2
Futaba S9157 Servo
3s Lipo
Hot Bodies Rovers

kineteks · 10-06-2009, 11:03 AM

I have both too and though the Losi is very capable it's still a little fragile and the worm-gear friction/motor ESC heat thing is an issue for me. I am always afraid that if it gets bound-up I'm gonna fry a motor/ESC. It is an awesome performing rig with the right driving style though, no question.
That said I MUCH prefer my Berg/Skeeter. It's flat way more fun to drive from my point of view. I use 2 ESCs and a stick and it's just sick what you can do with independent f/r throttles, really a blast to drive. A comp-style Berg can be quite a project to put together depending on how good you are a fabbing & adapting stuff... also how "perfect" you want the end result to look. ...and then cost-wise!!!

a fully tricked-out Berg is serious money, maybe not by heli standards but with Super 300s & RC Axlemaster rears, VP wheels etc... $1500 is easy to spend.... a Losi with a few mods would be a third of that.
so.... IMHO I'd rather have a Berg (I'm building a second...) but a Losi will get you on the rocks way faster and until you get to the bleeding edge probably perform as well overall (but differently).

I used and am very happy with:
Berg Axles
Fubar Skeeter chassis
Losi 4" shocks
JR 8711 servo
Tekin FXR ESC 2X
Futaba 7C stick radio
Super 300 CVD/RC Axle Master solid rears
Fubar lockouts
VP & Mayhem Eng wheels
Panther Leopard tires (and HB Rovers etc...)
Nova's Ark Dual Stage foam

toy4crawlin · 10-06-2009, 11:05 AM

Welcome

By far the MOA motor over axle berg will do ya more eye popping climbs than a shafty and you can add front rear dig easily. Sounds like you are mechanically inclined so building one should not be a problem with this forum

Do your research on what drivetrain is the strongest ei Berg vs Bully. I love my berg, it's insane and so much more fun than a shafty

recommendations
airtronics servo or the JR. I have 3 hitec's but there are noisy and the Airtronics is 400+oz of torque
cannot comment much on FXr's, heard good and looking to buy but my Mamba monster that I use on other cars does a perfect job.
Get the best battery, Thunder Power or Neu and go 3s lipo
so many motors to choose from so not sure .
wheels HPI $6.00 a pair, unless you have loads of dough find some beadlocks.

Have FUN

rcprojectz · 10-06-2009, 11:08 AM

LOSI

oldhippie · 10-06-2009, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley0706

What won Worlds again? oh yeah.........BERG!

Here is my suggested setup to you:
Berg Axles
Vanquish or T1E chassis depending if you want to run a body or bodiless
Vanquish DH fronts and SLW rears
Holmes 35t Handwounds
Tekin FXR x 2
Futaba S9157 Servo
3s Lipo
Hot Bodies Rovers

Good advice

X2

dirttrackdemon93 · 10-06-2009, 12:33 PM

I have ax10s built to the hilt and I have a Losi. In my opinion they are all good trucks. I am now too in the process of Buildin my First 2.2 MOA truck. I picked up the New V2 Berg axles. I am very excited to get it going!!! I am sure i wont be dissapointed. Which ever way you go this forum will help out in so many ways as it has me ALOT!!!

Good Luck!!!

cruz*hotboxrc · 10-07-2009, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flip2spin23

Real crawlers are built not bought

you got that right

J-Money · 10-07-2009, 12:16 PM

well u guys made up my mind I want a berg thanks im sure Ill be posting more for help

thanks Jay

toy4crawlin · 10-07-2009, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cruz*hotboxrc

you got that right

x2 !

mind boggles me that hobby shops dont sell much of the build kits , guess there is a lot of lazy or challenged people out there. how do you learn if you dont build it

10-06-2009, 12:13 AM	#1
J-Money Pebble Pounder Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: underground Posts: 177	Berg Or Losi? Hey guys I am a extreme compentition 3d rc heli pilot and am looking to do a little compentition rock crawling its either a berg with duel esc ? " i can use my 9303 heli radio" or a losi? And I know since I am in the berg section posting this what you are going to say but being new to this I dont want to be stuck with a peice of junk So some info on the best electronics,rims,chasis's or kind of steer me in the right direction would be helpful this would be my first crawler bulid but I am very mech incline" union sheet metal worker" so I dont think I will have a problem? Cause I herd bergs are hard to build. thank you any info would be helfull.

10-06-2009, 11:08 AM	#15
rcprojectz Pebble Pounder Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: alpharetta Posts: 139	? LOSI

10-06-2009, 12:19 AM	#2
atekt Rock Crawler Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Utah Posts: 691	Both are proven winners. You really cant go wrong with either one, but after owning both Id say Berg. It just fits me better, thats not to say its "better" just better for me

10-06-2009, 05:36 AM	#3
flip2spin23 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: EAST TN WHERE SHINE IS FREE Posts: 242	Berg

10-06-2009, 05:42 AM	#4
wrightcs77 RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 1,496	Man.....tough to say. I had a berg for a full season and beat the tar out of it. I ran dual esc's, hand wound 35T's and Futaba 4PK. I loved it, it was durable and capable as can be. I only ever broke a front 3rd gear, but that was because a bearing went out. Now I run a Losi with Eritex MOA installed, same electronics. I find the rig nice, but just different than the Berg. It is a little more of a finesse vehicle. Once I get V3 CVD's, I will have not fear of breaking it. But, it does have a lot more motor stall. With the Berg, if I got wedged, I could just muscle through an area. With the Losi, that is not possible. I think I would go back to a Berg and try to get it in the 5 1/2 lb range. Right now my Losi is 5 lbs RTR and it seems a hair too light.

10-06-2009, 07:39 AM	#5
ynmech Rock Crawler Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wine Country Posts: 899	It all depends on your style, I just finished building a berg for a friend and tuned ti a bit. I own an MOA Losi and they are night and day. The Losi is more of a strategic rig than the burg. That being said it goes to practice, right now there are lines I can do with the Losi I can't do yet with the burg. Also its not my burg t tune to me so its all about you and your style. You do have to get used to using the dig more on the Losi. Just my 2 cents.

10-06-2009, 07:49 AM	#6
paystin RCC Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: O.C Posts: 1,215	I currently have a Losi in shafty form and it's the best crawler I've driven. Having said that, I have never driven a Berg and I'm thinking about building one very soon. The Losi is a great car right out of the box and you can make it perform with just a few minor tweaks. The only thing stopping me form making a Berg is I'm not really good at making my own parts so it scraes me a little bit to have something break on it and where do I go for help. I've seen Bergs do some crazy climbs that no other car can but a Losi wins most of our comps because of the driver. Either one is good to me.

10-06-2009, 09:09 AM	#7
cruzhotboxrc Pebble Pounder Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Santa AnaO.C. Posts: 189	BERG

10-06-2009, 09:23 AM	#8
Tyler Kadlec Pebble Pounder Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Farmington,Nm Posts: 194	Berg, If you want something to start maybe try the ckrc competition package roller and just use your own electronics, 35t motors and most people i see are running with either dual fxr's or mamba max's. OR you could use 1 esc and a punk dig switch, those are nice. Currently im running 1 esc and switches until i have enough money to buy another one. Or most people are running the beetle juice chassis or the rockshow. They are proven also. But YOU CANT GO WRONG WITH A CDW CHASSIS tho. Dna wheels, Vanquish, or Mayhem are all good wheels too. Good quality and support. Tyler

10-06-2009, 10:51 AM	#11
kasper I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: appleton Posts: 2,067	I also have both the moa losi works nice rear motor has way to much clod stall as for the berg very nice choice.

10-06-2009, 10:55 AM	#12
Harley 20K Club Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sending illegals home one Hayabusa at a time. Posts: 22,981	What won Worlds again? oh yeah.........BERG! Here is my suggested setup to you: Berg Axles Vanquish or T1E chassis depending if you want to run a body or bodiless Vanquish DH fronts and SLW rears Holmes 35t Handwounds Tekin FXR x 2 Futaba S9157 Servo 3s Lipo Hot Bodies Rovers

10-06-2009, 11:03 AM	#13
kineteks Quarry Creeper Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Warwick Posts: 281	I have both too and though the Losi is very capable it's still a little fragile and the worm-gear friction/motor ESC heat thing is an issue for me. I am always afraid that if it gets bound-up I'm gonna fry a motor/ESC. It is an awesome performing rig with the right driving style though, no question. That said I MUCH prefer my Berg/Skeeter. It's flat way more fun to drive from my point of view. I use 2 ESCs and a stick and it's just sick what you can do with independent f/r throttles, really a blast to drive. A comp-style Berg can be quite a project to put together depending on how good you are a fabbing & adapting stuff... also how "perfect" you want the end result to look. ...and then cost-wise!!! a fully tricked-out Berg is serious money, maybe not by heli standards but with Super 300s & RC Axlemaster rears, VP wheels etc... $1500 is easy to spend.... a Losi with a few mods would be a third of that. so.... IMHO I'd rather have a Berg (I'm building a second...) but a Losi will get you on the rocks way faster and until you get to the bleeding edge probably perform as well overall (but differently). I used and am very happy with: Berg Axles Fubar Skeeter chassis Losi 4" shocks JR 8711 servo Tekin FXR ESC 2X Futaba 7C stick radio Super 300 CVD/RC Axle Master solid rears Fubar lockouts VP & Mayhem Eng wheels Panther Leopard tires (and HB Rovers etc...) Nova's Ark Dual Stage foam

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10-06-2009, 11:05 AM	#14
toy4crawlin I wanna be Dave Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Campbell, CA 4 hrs 2Rubicon ! Posts: 2,044	Welcome By far the MOA motor over axle berg will do ya more eye popping climbs than a shafty and you can add front rear dig easily. Sounds like you are mechanically inclined so building one should not be a problem with this forum Do your research on what drivetrain is the strongest ei Berg vs Bully. I love my berg, it's insane and so much more fun than a shafty recommendations airtronics servo or the JR. I have 3 hitec's but there are noisy and the Airtronics is 400+oz of torque cannot comment much on FXr's, heard good and looking to buy but my Mamba monster that I use on other cars does a perfect job. Get the best battery, Thunder Power or Neu and go 3s lipo so many motors to choose from so not sure . wheels HPI $6.00 a pair, unless you have loads of dough find some beadlocks. Have FUN

10-06-2009, 12:33 PM	#17
dirttrackdemon93 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Casper Posts: 400	I have ax10s built to the hilt and I have a Losi. In my opinion they are all good trucks. I am now too in the process of Buildin my First 2.2 MOA truck. I picked up the New V2 Berg axles. I am very excited to get it going!!! I am sure i wont be dissapointed. Which ever way you go this forum will help out in so many ways as it has me ALOT!!! Good Luck!!!

10-07-2009, 12:16 PM	#19
J-Money Pebble Pounder Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: underground Posts: 177	well u guys made up my mind I want a berg thanks im sure Ill be posting more for help thanks Jay

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