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Gener8ightion:Rona Well with the corona virus locking us down I got back into the game. A Redcat gen 8 sounded like just the ticket. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...3cdedc136e.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...cfc5c6aabb.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...6cd87ffd1a.jpg I made a front skid for the servo using 22g sheet metal. Seems fairly sturdy but the holes are not perfect and causes some screw misalignment. I have ordered a couple things for this truck Today the husky link set and servo relocation mount from club 5 arrived today. I got it bolted in with no major issues. I am quite happy with it. I know some others aren’t happy with club 5’s offering for the Redcat. I am a happy camper. While the low profile servo horn took away 98% of the bump steer I was not happy with the amount of slop in the tie rod and drag link assembly. It’s gotten quite loose after a couple weeks of hard trailing. I mounted the tie rod below the knuckle and mounted drag link above. And from what I can tell it works very well. The tie rod and panhard bar run perfectly in plane together. I have eliminated bump steer and I love the proper geometry for the drag link and servo. Very happy so far. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...17cafbac4e.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...24fe0c29c1.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ec87f06aa7.jpg I installed a washer on each wheel hex prior to mounting the tires. A cheap fix till I get new wheels and tires. I may have to flip the passenger side tie rod bolt. So far so good. It made the chassis even more rigid. And tighten up the steering. Only thing I did to was to grinder d a bit away from the top side on the rearward servo hole to clear the 550can solder tab. Not a big deal. Slap some dialectic grease on it for good measure. Currently on order and in the mail castle 10a BEC Holmes crawlmaster sport 13t 540 SSD front and rear link mounts Bowhouse rc panhard drop kit 30 and 40wt associated shock oil Probably my next upgrade will be a servo, and maybe a flysky gt5. So far I’m very happy with this truck. Sure it ain’t fancy it just works. |
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Re: Gener8ightion:Rona Nice! I have the same Club5 steering links and servo mount. Here's what else I have. I started my build in April when we first were locked down due to the rona haha TRX4 GTS Long travel shocks - wht springs front/orange rear Samix brass spring cups SSD Aluminum knuckles SSD brass portal cover - front/rear Hot racing Brass diff cover - rear InTheWorksRC Brass High clearance lower links Redcat Underdrive - rear SSD aluminum shock mounts - front/rear SSD scale driveshaft - rear SSD 2.2 D hole wheels w/C.I. foams (Soft/Med) and Pitbull Berserker tires Club5 12mm brass hex w/extended axles - front/rear Aluminum transfer case drive shaft flat skid HH 12t crawl master w/stock ESC 25kg amazon servo https://i.imgur.com/mrQvt3Rl.jpg |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona I just got back in myself RCKid. Got out around 2012. I went with the AXE rig. The SCXIII wasn't out in early March or I would have likely gone that route. I will still probably grab a III. Also picked up a couple SSD Trail King kits and RC4WD Blazer bodies. Red Cat has stepped up their game since they were still only doing 5th scale gasser stuff in 2012. |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona Did some similar mods, lowered the steering link below the knuckles and took the drag link to the top, same as you. No low profile horn, but I have pretty much zero bumpsteer now. Have a set of 8mm Treal wheel hexes otw. They should be here in a day or so and give that clearance at the tire. Will only run them on front most likely. At least for starters. Moving the Drag link does make the alignment with the pan hard way better. Almost perfect as you noted. but the pan hard setup leaves a bit to be desired over all. On my Axe the axle shift right (passenger side) through the entire suspension travel from unsprung to full compression. The placement is pretty meh. I have not seen the Bowhouse RC relocation mount. Just ordered one, hoping it puts the pan hard in a bit of a better geometry so there is some arc on the pan hard system, though to me, it looks like it will need a bit more. Just added the SSD Link mounts F and R. the steering is way better no doubt. But before I made the link changes on the steering, I bent the left side knuckle arm. Waiting for the Treal Brass Portal Knuckles to come back into stock in a week. Going to get a set of them and their Chubs to improve the strength of the steering arms on the knuckles, as well as add some non rotational unsprung weight on the front axle. Will probably grab a set of the rear inner brass portal housing just to balance a bit of the weight around the entire rig. Going to grab either some brass rod or brass tube and make up a full set of links. will make a copy pan hard bar, but will also experiment with a bit different shape for a pan hard. I think an entirely different link design can help the drag bar setup. Can't hurt to try. only thing that can happen is I waste some brass. |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona Ya honestly with the mount and link I have a touch more bump steer than just the low profile horn. It actually worked quite well at alleviating it. But still I absolutely hated the angle the drag link was at. This works. My only complaint with the club5 system is that the tie rod is a touch short, it has to much bend in it pushing the bar further away from the axle, and the rod ends while they provide lots of motion are not really that well suited for a tie rod end. I’m going to make some bushings to replace the balls and hopefully stop the tie rod from dropping so much. Another note is the panhard with the HD rod ends is a bit to long pushing the axle to the passenger side to far. My geustimate would be about 2-3mm. I might try and shorten the rod ends. I’ll run it like this till I test the bowhouse rc panhard drop. I know I’m being nit picky with this but with a few tweaks I’ll get a proper 3link geometry. Now that bunpsteer is fixed I need to get the panhard bar closer to level at ride night to alliveate the side to side shift. Also I’ve now broke a cva portal input. I have one left. I’ll be ordering replacements through warranty as well as one of the upgraded sets. Can anyone chime in on their experience with the HD ones stock in the axe or better yet the chromoly upgrade. I don’t intended on running brushless in this rig I’ll be sticking to the stock motor till I fry it then I’ll drop in the Holmes. As it stands 3s with the 17t pinion is to fast. And evidently to powerful. |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona I already did shorten the rod ends on my pan hard. I was seeing about 1/3rd inch of movement in my axle in the stock setup ( more than 1/4 inch, not quite 1/2 inch shift through the entire suspension travel. FWIW, I only got about 2 mm off each rod end, and it was too much. The shift started happening at full unsprung wight, so essentially it introduces a 2nd shift point. If you can slice off about 1.5mm per rod end, it will lessen the axle shift but only a little. The Big Issue on the pan hard I can see it is was designed and setup incorrectly. The pan hard should have been designed around the 1/2 travel mark of the suspension. It appears they designed and applied it with full travel, thus the pan hard only has 1/2 of the arc it should travel in being used, (the bottom 1/2) which causes the all right shift of the axle. At least on my Axe. That Bowhouse RC Pan hard Drop mount should improve that a bit. Problaby wont be able to correct it, but it should make it better. If your Gen 8 was from the early production runs, I heard they had some plastics and even a few issues on the cvds. Heard Customer Support was very good with these issues. Other than a broken stock slider and the ben't knuckle arm, so far everything has has held up. |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona I would really love to get my hands on some spare front cva’s or the upgrades. I can’t find any anywhere :( I have one gear left and it probably won’t last long. I assume my truck is the old model as it doesn’t have the updated axle housings Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Gener8ightion:Rona Well today was a carnage day. Broke the hex drive in a wheel and twisted the club 5 link down. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...2b858f0ef8.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...e873ee5b22.jpg It’s hanging really low here.. Gave it a flip https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...9e45c57102.jpg Now the bend is angled up and away from the pumpkin. Hopefully this works good. I smashed the tie rod quite often and it was definitely a detriment to today’s run. Edit: I’m super happy with the servo relocation I ran two 3000mah 3s through it before the hub popped. The steering is much more precise. All this stiffening and tightening has really shown the weak side of the stock servo. It at one point the servo just stopped working till I powered down and let it cool. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona 50$ Canadian pesos later I have two sets of replacement pinion inputs on the way. Expensive but only ones around. He wanted 90cad for the chromoly plus 15$ shipping so I didn’t bother. That’s a regret for another day Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona More carnage again today https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f4577574df.jpg Seems I’m finding the weak spots... maybe I should go back to 2s lipo lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona My right side knuckle arm is bent to piss right now. going to go with a set of the Treal Knuckles and Chubs. |
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Name of the game haha. I’ve got ssd aluminum front portal housings and a set of stock ones in the mail from amain. It will be a while till I get them in Canada |
Gener8ightion:Rona Well with Rona out of commission I decided to boat side it. Used 22ga sheet metal. Turned out pretty good. I’ll be doing a full set of fenders and what not but this is where I’m at today. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8f7000ee17.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...9b31223348.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...2cee02566a.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...99d95852c4.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ee0eb6984e.jpg |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona Holy bigass pics. lmao Had to minimize my screen to next to nothing to see them. I thought about some flat pan mettle (aluminum) and bending a set, but the KYX sliders looked pretty good and were cheap enough. |
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Thanks I reformatted. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Hopefully you will find a happy medium with that setup and still be able to use some portion of it. I also bought a tire combo with club5 dual stage foams and the freaking foams were 10mm too narrow for the tires he paired them with. As for me I have eliminated anything designed and made by club5 from my shopping lists. Happy wheeling! |
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Idk I’m happy with the club 5 stuff. Everything is very well finished and the fit of the mount was superb. While I agree the tie rod could use some more work I think it’s a good set up. I twisted it up and it works fantastic. Just enough clearance at the pumpkin lock-lock and it sits higher than the axle centreline. Works great. Ymmv Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona Got the fender kick panels roughed in and brazed on. New tub of flux showed up today so I got right to the heat :)) https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...e34f0d8fc8.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...2bdbb9e9eb.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...6083d6a11c.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5eefbd0668.jpg I’m pretty sure these square corners I put on the leading edge will get hung up but idk I’ll try it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona Well some parts came today. I swapped the deans out to xt60 connectors. Amazing! Connector and imo far superior to the deans plug. I love soldering these, in all my years of rc this truck was the first deans plug for me. I know right? I ran ec5 and ec3 in all my old rigs so xt60 was a no brainer to me. Soldered in a Holmes 13turn crawlmaster sport 540, and a 10amp CC BEC. Still dead in the water till my ssd aluminum portal knuckle housings show up from amain. I tried an epoxy repair job on the king pin mounts but they were far beyond salvageable... I ordered a quad hands deluxe base off amazon tonight hoping to step up my brazing game as my 5in vise and some welding magnets can only do so much. Does anyone have any experience using a quad hands for brazing rc related goods? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Gener8ightion:Rona Front bumper for rona. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f3de70f453.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...48b61a9292.jpg Quadhands to the rescue. These things are absolutely amazing for tiny trucking. 8.5 x 11 1/4 thick steel base plate and 5 magnet arms. I’ll be brazing/soldering like a boss now. 10/10 recommend quadhands. Edit: ordered a complete axe front axle yesterday. So between the new HD axe axle the ssd link mounts which should arrive on Monday and ssd portal knuckles which could arrive in the next couple of weeks. I think it will be a reliable set up. Here’s to hoping at least Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona Another update on my gen 8: I cobbled together a front portal with a zip tie and epoxy which allowed me to secure it into the c-hub and I ran it pretty hard for 4 days. And had a blast. So much so that I forgot to take pictures lol sorry bout that. I arrived at home today to find two sweet packages. An axe front axle complete, and HD axle housings and front portal outer housings. Thanks Canada post! Only arrive after a planned outing! Grr well at least they’re here now. Get to wrenching. Ain’t no wrest for the wicked https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...758d5f15a7.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...977c24ce2e.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...36a3395bae.jpg Unfortunately with the HD housing in the front I had to get rid of the bowhouse rc panhard relocation and remount the panhard bar to the rear of the stock plastic. Honestly the bowhouse part is nice but didn’t help me much and made clearance even tighter. Zero bumpsteer :):) and a beefier front end \m/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona Boy I’m really finding the weak sides of this Redcat. Tearing apart my original axles to do a swap over and I have lost most of the output bearings the 6mmx12mmx4mm on the portals. I have enough to get me by for now. Sure glad I bought the spare complete axe axle. Sorta wish I would have just bought a trx4 at this point Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona so you put junk parts on your rig and now you dont like it anymore strange one of the first things you do when you buy a rtr is buy a complete bearing kit i bought 10 packs of every bearing on the rig cause they dont last vary long however ive only replaces 3 bearings in a year and a half so even being undersized they seem to hold up ok |
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Nothing I’ve used has been junk and only factory parts are breaking prematurely. Bearings should have lasted longer than they did. But yes I agree I should have ordered a fast eddy kit sooner rather than later. Never seen a traxxas bearing seize up that quickly in my 15+ years of mechanical experience Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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and ive yet to see 1 decent part made by club5 there parts are not upgrades by any means in my opinion of course |
Gener8ightion:Rona Got the front and rear HD axles under Rona now. I’m definitely going to need to order a set of fast eddy bearings next pay check. Most of the bearings in the portals are on their way out! Hopefully I’ll get a run in tomorrow morning to put it to the real test! |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona Well I just dropped another 113$ CAD on two bearing kits from fast eddy. Better safe than sorry. Being my only truck I either need to keep dumping money at it or purchase a second vehicle... I’m thinking about waiting till element drops an ifs trailrunner kit. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Gener8ightion:Rona Some pics of today’s action. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ed252b1278.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...7aaa1a943b.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...e79467e6d3.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...17380dd547.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...1e9cb6cb77.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...977da0e0b2.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ec355625bc.jpg I got down to the river bed crawled some rocks for about 10mins then the stock steering servo crapped the bed.... back to the healing bench I guess. Edit: I took the servo apart to see if I could diagnose the issue. Seems that one of the brushes on the motor has heated up and melted the plastic end cap. I found a 25kg power HD waterproof/aluminum servo! Not terribly bummed about the servo as I was expecting to replace it, but forgive me if I just want to drive the thing till I hit lipo cutoff. Smh also before anyone mentions it I had my ccbec set to 6v. |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona man arent you the lucky one all the breakadges out of the way right at the begining lol awsome creek to crawl in you should have ran it in the creek to cool that servo off lol nothing like a creek to keep that magic smoke inside the rig |
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Ya it seems everything that’s going to break has already happened lol. It’s been frustrating more than fun lately. I’m just hoping the axe HD cvs and housings hold up. New servo should arrive on tuesday and I’ll be back running. It was a super nice spot about an hr away from my house so ya my ten minutes of run time was displeasing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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theres only one sure way to to make sure that never happens again take more than one rig with you when you go out so you see a second or even 10th rig is a must especialy on outings like that |
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I wish haha. It’s my only truck at the moment. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Gener8ightion:Rona Alas Rona lives! I Received and promptly installed a power HD 25kg waterproof servo. It is very torquey even at 6volts. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...bae3b58f15.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...70b8235c27.jpg I decided to leave it at 6V for now, as to save on wear and tear. Same goes for the steering dual rate. With the stock servo I had the trim set to 75%. With the new servo I dialed it back to 65%. It gets full steering throw and doesn’t seem to stress the driveline. I have ssd aluminum knuckle/portal on the way from amain to really toughen the front end. They should be here tomorrow. After installing on the healing bench I took it for a short trek down to the creek today. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...39b2f1ca8c.jpg A short run didn’t get to many pictures. Finally being able to test this truck felt good even though I was sweating profusely. It crawls fantastic I just hope I can begin to trust this truck again. I have also installed a Robinson racing a 11tooth pinion on a Holmes 13t crawlmaster sport (very short shaft for this combo Btw) It has very good low speed control and a stronger drag brake. It’s A touch slow on 2s. But Going to 3s really wakes it up and has the perfect amount of speed. Half to 3/4 throttle to stay beside me walking. I hope the esc lasts as I actually find it quite good at doing its job, Comparable to the Novak rooster crawlers I ran back in the day. I highly recommend the Holmes 13t crawlmaster sport. It’s a must have upgrade for the gen8 imo. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona I'm very impressed that the stock servo lasted so long! In my experience, it's the only part that needs immediate upgrade on the Gen8. Everything else can be upgraded as it breaks, although, you seem to be breaking parts a lot faster than I do! I've had my Gen8 for a year and a half, and the only breakage I've had was one of the stock rock sliders, but based on how your truck already looks, you're clearly using it WAY more than I use mine! |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona I Haven't run mine since adding the Treal brass. Still waiting for usps to deliver my Bowhouse Pan Hard mount. been in Detroit for a month now. lol |
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SSD portal knuckles and some factory portal housings came today. The ssd units again are top quality. Machining is excellent. With good tight bearing seats. I got it all assembled and adjusted the ccbec to 7.4V straight to the servo using a bypass adapter. And readjusted steering rate closer to 70% now on stock radio. It’s got good throw without torquing the axle tubes. Quote:
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Re: Gener8ightion:Rona Successful day today! Had a great time and the weather was perfect. No breakages today :) https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...350e163b03.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...25e0eed3d5.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...60dbb0736e.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...2af9475335.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...21281a8d81.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8be4ee2a3f.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...648c3a88dc.jpg Truck was flawless! Good strong steering and with the ssd portal knuckles and the HD Cv’s It should be reliable! Made it to the inukshuk under power this time haha :) now maybe I can start thinking about purchasing a body and wheels/tires. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...b7f69b5a11.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...04b7e052c1.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...183033ccc7.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...97df047aa0.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...d4963b9e46.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...9f3699b265.jpg Some pics from today’s action! I need to start making videos! The truck worked great. It now rides on chinesium wheels and brass brake rotors from amazon, Sold by Benedict Harry. I made sure to get the 25mm wide wheels. I’m not a fan of the super wide offerings. Backspacing is plentiful for gen8 portals and clears the hefty club 5 links. They went together fine and the fit and finish was superb. However the screws are of sub par quality, the hex keys are fairly loose from new, and feel quite soft. Otherwise I think I’m going to vent the tires. Nothing to say about the brass rotors.. other than being much heavier than I expected, wheelspeed and initial torque is down as I expected given how heavy they are. I might remove them from the front tires to save the cvs haha. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: Gener8ightion:Rona Some more pics for your viewing pleasure. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8c51d4abbc.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5d68612e9d.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8651505b20.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...77454c7d03.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...b42e88831a.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ecc8532303.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...1f5fd0f232.jpg I found an amazing trail to crawl today. Creekbeds in Nb are fantastic scale terrain \m/ it was a beautiful morning and I ended up burning through two battery packs on the trek! It’s been working quite well lately. I really like this set up. I vented the tires with two holes per tire cut on the OD. A must do when rolling on aluminum wheels. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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