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05-12-2009, 08:35 PM
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| Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lowell
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|  Proline Chisels VS. Mayhem Double Phatty
Ok, first off let me say, both products are top of the line. I love my double phatties and the Chisels are amazing. I truly do not want to stop using either product because I would consider either one a huge loss... however... Has anyone else had a problem with Chisels and Phatties not playing well with each other? I have had sporatic bead pulling issues since I mounted my Prolines. I didn't have these problems with my crap-tacular rock lizards, or well loved Losi claws, which I ran for over a year on these rims. Tonight I decided to replace all 128 screws on my rims and notice one rim had a pulled bead. (sigh) so I took it apart to let the rubber return to its original shape. I noticed that over 85% of the bead had been sliced by the phatties. This made me curious and I pulled my other rear tire apart. Both rubbers in both rims have had the bead slit. I took a little shoe goop to fixed it, and I mounted them in my stock rims. I am planning on returning to my Phatties eventually but I was curious if anyone else has had this problem. Thank you for your time and patience. |
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05-12-2009, 08:44 PM
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| Rock Crawler Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Highlands Ranch, Co.
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Check this tread out: Is it possible to overtighten CDPs? & the last couple of pages of this one: Pro-Lines new Chisel 2.2 comp tire Last edited by Speedracer19; 05-12-2009 at 08:48 PM. |
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05-12-2009, 09:25 PM
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| Quarry Creeper Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rhode Island
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I dont know if the Chisle has the same bead as the other proline tires, but IMO proline are the most craptastic bead to mount, ever. I just got another set of mayhems (7's berg offset) and mounted them to my new Rovers. Absolutley perfect. I honestly think its that the beads suck, which didnt get fully mounted, and then the rim sliced the rubber when you tightened all the screws down. Had it happen with my FailIrons |
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05-12-2009, 10:57 PM
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| I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Henderson/Las Vegas, NV
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yeah Ive had the same problem with 2 different sets of PL tires... pro-line's beads are not the best out there. mayhems hold a bead with the best of them, the only tire my mayhems (i have 4 sets of them) have ever lost were shitty prolines, i measured the beads when i took them off the wheels and one side had a bead that measured closer to 2.4" than 2.2".
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05-13-2009, 04:38 AM
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| Quarry Creeper Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Clermont
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Not using double phatty's, but trying to mount my chisels on my rock star rims was a extreme lesson in patience. Literally took me about 4 days to get it done, with unmounting, remounting, etc.. Got the Rok Lox and put those on the rock star rims, and it was easy as pie.. got all 4 rims done in about 30 mins. I put the chisels on the stock AX10 rims, and they mounted up ok on there. |
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05-13-2009, 06:22 AM
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| Relaxed !   Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: On the road again !
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runnin double fatty's/axial's/pro-lines/dna's, and i would have to say that the dna's were by far the smallest bead area but they still went in, hav'nt had the problem as to wich ur speakin of, i'm thinkin it was the bead popped and just got overlooked in torque phase!  |
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05-13-2009, 06:38 AM
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| Pebble Pounder Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Iron Range, MN.
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Had no problem here with mounting the chisel's onto the pro-line titan rims...
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05-13-2009, 07:45 AM
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| Rock Crawler Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Oxford, MA
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My chisels mounted up on my Vanquish wheels with l ittle effort. And that was with a less than stellar beads on the chisels. They just had a lot of excess rubber from the molding process.
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05-20-2009, 06:39 PM
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| Quarry Creeper Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Fresno
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I saw a set of DPs tear the bead off a Chisel at a comp this weekend.
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05-21-2009, 11:01 AM
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| I wanna be Dave Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Not here
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Hey guys just found this thread. If you think it's the wheels causing this issue with the tire being cut please email or pm me your concerns and I will do what I can on my end. I run most of the tires on the market and I have not cut a tire in the bead area, that's not to say it hasn't happened. If it's a wheel issue we will do what we can to fix the problem. One other thing, it looks like this thread was started around the first of the month and I'm just now coming across it. If you guys would pm or email me I could have addressed this issue sooner. Thanks Mayhem Eng. |
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05-21-2009, 12:27 PM
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| Quarry Creeper Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: MD
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05-21-2009, 01:56 PM
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| Rock Crawler Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: T1E Country
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The ProLine Chisel tires are the ONLY tire I have ever had a problem mounting to a set of BL's. The PL bead is absolutely sloppy. It's not the wheels. At this point, I wouldnt "mount" a set of Chisels with your p---s.  |
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05-21-2009, 02:05 PM
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| RCC Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: So Cal USA
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I agree with what everyones saying, its so true! I have not had good luck mounting ANY proline tires to BL rims and if you are lucky enough to get them on they pop out! I had to GLUE a set of 1.9 Flat Irons to Axial BL rims just to get them to stay on! Proline needs to realize that if their going to make Rock Crawling tires and almost all of us use BL rims, they need to make the bead dia. a little tighter, they might want to talk to RC4WD, HB, Losi etc, to get their 'secret'! |
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05-21-2009, 08:47 PM
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| RCC Addict Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Rochester Hills
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I had this happen about three months ago and was pissed. Ripped both inner beads on my rears. Put my Panthers back on and never looked back. Also the Chisels didn't mount up that great for me. Just my input. Later Farmer |
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05-21-2009, 08:58 PM
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| Quarry Creeper Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ
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That sucks that this is a problem with this combination. I was going to get these wheels to match up with my chisels but now I'm having second thoughts.
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05-22-2009, 10:34 AM
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| Rock Crawler Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Surprise, Az
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05-22-2009, 08:37 PM
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| I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: behind the wheel of a monster truck...
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I will have my Mayhem DCP's in a couple days and I am gonna run Pro Line Chisels so I will snap some pics of everything during the assembly and do a write up on this and get to the bottom of it for everyone. |
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06-01-2009, 05:34 PM
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| I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: behind the wheel of a monster truck...
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I just got done mounting up some chisels on Mayhem DCP's.All seems well with the wheels themselves,I smoothed out sharp edges and such,plus there seems to be a nice gap between the rim and the ring where the ring sandwiches the tire..All I can say after assembly and all is that this is a tire issue..I tried 3 other tires (Losi comp claws,HB Rovers and Panthers)with the same rims and they were much less of a headache to install and the beads are more of a square uniform shape than the Chisels,the Chisels kinda have a wedge shape bead that is much thicker and taller at the area that sits in the bead of the rim,unlike the other tires.But I did get the whole set assembled(well i think  )and I am gonna do some thrashing and see what happens with the beads ofter some use..The tire may just need some serious attention to get installed properly,but it not looking like that though..More of a size issue with the bead itself.
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