Rules Question - Hitting both gates

[JeremyH]

A question about hitting both gates was brought up at our state finals and we were unsure about the specifics of this. Just to clarify, we decided NOT to abide by this rule, but I was still curious.

We had a competitor hit both tennis balls while trying to progress one of the gates on a 10 gate course. Obviously, we issued 2 10 point penalties, however, others were mentioning that since he had hit both gates, now he was not eligible to get the progress points from that gate (so, at the end of his run, if he had gone through all gates, we could only issue -18 progress points).

Only two people had heard of this rule before and since we had not been following that for the whole day, we decided NOT to enforce it on this run.

I was still curious.....is this a rule? Has it been a rule in the past? I have not ever heard of this rule and had not seen it enforced at any of the bigger comps I've been to and I can not find anything in the rules that mentions this.

Your help is appreciated.

Thanks!

[articzap]

You must be thinking of 20 point bypass rule. If you use that, then you can not issue progress points once 20 points is acquired when attempting a gate. That is not used in a pro class, only sportsman, I thought.

[binaryterror]

7.3.2 - A driver can only continue with the course when a gate is cleared or 20 pts (if optional by pass rules are used) at that gate is accumulated.

If no bypass is used, while the 2 markers are now dead due to penalties, the gate still exists as a possible way to achieve progress. This is how our club has always run this rule based on above rule since we do not use by pass rules.

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

The by-pass rule works good for the newbes class.

[JeremyH]

Nope, I specifically asked if they were referring to the 20 point bypass and they said no. What they are referring to sounds like the opposite of the bypass. It penalizes the driver for getting 20 points on a gate, by not allowing them the ability to accumulate progress points from that gate.

Originally Posted by binaryterror

7.3.2 - A driver can only continue with the course when a gate is cleared or 20 pts (if optional by pass rules are used) at that gate is accumulated.

If no bypass is used, while the 2 markers are now dead due to penalties, the gate still exists as a possible way to achieve progress. This is how our club has always run this rule based on above rule since we do not use by pass rules.

Yeah, that was about as close as I have found. And if you look at rule 7.2.1, it talks about how to clear a gate and does not mention anything about the points accumulated up to that point.

Is it possible that some old rule like this existed and their memories are starting to slowly fade?

[EvilTwin v2]

Originally Posted by JeremyH

Nope, I specifically asked if they were referring to the 20 point bypass and they said no. What they are referring to sounds like the opposite of the bypass. It penalizes the driver for getting 20 points on a gate, by not allowing them the ability to accumulate progress points from that gate.


Yeah, that was about as close as I have found. And if you look at rule 7.2.1, it talks about how to clear a gate and does not mention anything about the points accumulated up to that point.

Is it possible that some old rule like this existed and their memories are starting to slowly fade?

I don't remember ever reading about any rule like that.

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by EvilTwin v2

I don't remember ever reading about any rule like that.

Good. Then it sounds like we made the correct decision to not abide by that.

Thanks!

[ebomb]

I know we use this rule in the 2 clubs I crawl with. It's not bad but does get confusing if u hit the last 2 gates on the finish ! No progress ! But from what I've been told its a optional rule .

[hbj069]

I have hit both gates plenty of times LOL and unless it points him out or time expires he is still good, when/if all 4 wheels pass the gate he still gets progress points.

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by hbj069

I have hit both gates plenty of times LOL and unless it points him out or time expires he is still good, when/if all 4 wheels pass the gate he still gets progress points.

That's pretty much the answer to the guys asking about this situation. It's good to hear that we made the right judgement call.

[sococrawler]

[QUOTE=JeremyH;3809235]Good. Then it sounds like we made the correct decision to not abide by that.

Good call Jeremy !

Originally Posted by ebomb

I know we use this rule in the 2 clubs I crawl with. It's not bad but does get confusing if u hit the last 2 gates on the finish ! No progress ! But from what I've been told its a optional rule .

Ok, so you go the entire course then hit both markers on last gate but still finish said course and now you say no progress on last gate !! And now there's no possible way of finishing ! Now that's f'd up ! IMO
Whomever said "optional rule", could they please show it to all of us who have never heard of such a thing ? Could this be a "club" rule ? the only rule with "20pts" is the "optional" bypass rule, wich I personally haven't seen at a comp in a few yrs. if you do get that info please share



Wow I sure messed Jeremy's quote up Hahn ? Lol

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by sococrawler

Ok, so you go the entire course then hit both markers on last gate but still finish said course and now you say no progress on last gate !! And now there's no possible way of finishing ! Now that's f'd up ! IMO

No, they were saying that you can keep going and finish the course, but you dont have the potential for the -2 progress for that gate. So....if there were 10 gates, you can only potentially get -18 progress (assuming you finish).

Originally Posted by sococrawler

Whomever said "optional rule", could they please show it to all of us who have never heard of such a thing ? Could this be a "club" rule ? the only rule with "20pts" is the "optional" bypass rule, wich I personally haven't seen at a comp in a few yrs. if you do get that info please share

I didnt really want to call them out, I was more just curious if this had ever been a rule...

[4xFord]

The guys were obviously confusing the bypass rule's part of no progress points as a general "no progress points" rule that applies to somebody once they hit both gates.

Its not in the rules so I said no way.

Clubs should either follow the bypass rule or not. But this hybrid no progress rule is silly. Just because both gates are dead doesn't mean the gate can't be progressed. Why not allow them to progress the gate? They already hit two gates, like thats not bad enough? Now we have to ding them for another 2 points? Thats a little over the top.

[articzap]

To many rules.

[sococrawler]

Originally Posted by JeremyH

No, they were saying that you can keep going and finish the course, but you dont have the potential for the -2 progress for that gate. So....if there were 10 gates, you can only potentially get -18 progress (assuming you finish).



I didnt really want to call them out, I was more just curious if this had ever been a rule...

I may have misunderstood what I read ! Lol
Thanks for callin me out Jeremy ! Lol j/k

Originally Posted by articzap

To many rules.

Too many interpretations of the rules !

[JeremyH]

No calling of anyone...

[articzap]

Originally Posted by sococrawler

I may have misunderstood what I read ! Lol
Thanks for callin me out Jeremy ! Lol j/k



Too many interpretations of the rules !

A lot of rules, don't need to exist.