Gun Guys....

[Offroader5]

Ok, have been looking at picking up a .22 rifle and have narrowed it down to these two. I already have a Walther P22 and can see that Walther makes a nice gun...but the same goes for the German Sport. Anyone own either of these two? Any opinions...pro's...con's.

The GSG-5:

Or the Walther G22:

 

[jason]

I have a GSG-5 and love it. It gets shot more than any gun I own. Mine has been all blinged out now though and doesn't look much at all like the one you posted.

The stock sights on them are pretty crappy so plan on putting some type of optics on it.

 

[soundcolor]

I had a GSG-5, loved it. great loading, lots of amunition capabilty, and very stable. Long range tho it like to drift a little, no matter how I adjusted the sights. I put a scope on it, and still couldnt get it just right. And when I'm talkin long range, I mean 250 yards or more.
I have put a few hundred rounds through a friends walther, It a very nice gune, very solid in your hands. Has a little more kick back, and a little less ammo compacity, but it also has killer long range accuracy. I could drill the cross hairs at 350 with no problems.
The walther, because of its unique stock sits better in your hands, and fits your arm pocket perfect, and thus is alot better when standing with no support. But the GSG, being more conventional made me feel that I had alot more movement, and control. But I am used to using conventional stocks. Its really kind of a wash. You cant go wrong wither way.

The GSG looks alot meaner tho.

 

[TattooKenny]

The GSG all day long! It is a awesome, fun and cheap gun to shoot! And from what I understand they are getting pretty hard to get, so get while the getting is good!

 

[MattH]

My opinion is that everyone should own a Ruger 10/22. It doesn't have the look of the firearms you're considering, but the parts are available to convert into everything but a SAM.

 

[jason]

My opinion is that everyone should own a Ruger 10/22. It doesn't have the look of the firearms you're considering, but the parts are available to convert into everything but a SAM.

Agreed, anyone that has any interest in firearms should own a Ruger 10/22. It's one of my favorite guns I own.

I have owned mine for almost 20 years and have shot probably close to 100,000 rounds through it with 0 failures of the gun.

 

[Offroader5]

I have a GSG-5 and love it. It gets shot more than any gun I own. Mine has been all blinged out now though and doesn't look much at all like the one you posted.

The stock sights on them are pretty crappy so plan on putting some type of optics on it.

Oh yeah...doesn't matter which I get...it wouldn't stay "out of the box" for long.

The GSG all day long! It is a awesome, fun and cheap gun to shoot! And from what I understand they are getting pretty hard to get, so get while the getting is good!

Yeah...right now I am leaning towards the GSG. I have held one of those and it seems real nice. I have yet to hold a G22...so I can't compare yet.

My opinion is that everyone should own a Ruger 10/22. It doesn't have the look of the firearms you're considering, but the parts are available to convert into everything but a SAM.

One thing about the 10/22 though is that "out of the box", it's not a bullpup design and I'd need to buy parts right from the get-go to have that design. From what I gather and have heard from gun buddies is that a bullpup configuration is the setup to have on the low caliber "target" guns.

I have however looked into the Mini-14/20 also...and really like the Ruger LCR and may pick one of those up for hiking "thumbsup"

 

[highhpcummins]

For quality & price you can't get better than a 10/22

 

[Dragon51]

Not real familiar with either of the 2 guns you posted. However I do own the 10/22 and I used to put 500 rounds a weekend through it and it still works like the first day I got it.

The 10/22 is a great rifle, and the parts list available for it are nothing less then impressive. Now being that is is a normal .22 cal 50-100 yards is the most your going to get out of it before it starts to drift. If your after a little longer range and dead nuts accuracy then look at the 22/250 bigger case same .22 round.

The other gun the mini 14 is also a great gun as well. It also has more of that type of look you seem to be after with the 2 guns you posted.

 

[Offroader5]

It also has more of that type of look you seem to be after with the 2 guns you posted.

Not really after just the look so much as the bull pup style that will shorten down the rifle a bit and make it more comfortably weighted.

But I see here that the 10/22 has a nice bull pup conversion also:

 

[Offroader5]

Now I have my eyes on the Keltec SU16 :roll:

Guns are just as addictive as rc crawling :lol:

 

[cuzican]

I just have a couple of tube fed Marlin's.....they work well enough for the little bit of plinking I do.
If I were to dump a bunch of money on a rifle, it sure as heck wouldn't be a .22.
Those are some neat looking guns though. Having one would certainly be unique.

 

[amorton94]

If your after a little longer range and dead nuts accuracy then look at the 22/250 bigger case same .22 round.

True, but the size in bullet is nowhere near close. We are talking about a little .22lr bullet right? Comparing that to the 22/250 round, the 22/250 is like 4times the size, and the casing is alot bigger too. The 22/250 uses the same round as the m4 and m16. So it's a .223 round.

 

[TattooKenny]

The 22/250 uses the same round as the m4 and m16. So it's a .223 round.

Are you sure about that?

 

[soundcolor]

if your talking about this kel-tec, then it gets my vote.

As for this debate about the 22/250, and .223, and the .22 let me see if I can clear the water.

The .22, .22lr, and .22 magnum are not the same. The closest to are the .22, and .22 magnum. They are the same lenght, but the magnum gets more grains of powder making it more effective. Not all guns that will shoot a .22 will fire a .22 magnum due to their increased pressure. As for the .22LR, It is loaded with more grains of powder than the .22, but not as much as the magnum round. It has a longer case, and projectile.

The .223 is bassically the same as a 5.56 however the 5.56 is slightly larger. The 5.56 round has a higher pressure than the .223. As well as higher pressure, the 5.56 is generally a more accurate round. The .223 will fire from a 5.56 but there may be issues with the pressure from blow back being enough to cycle the next round. The 5.56 should never be fired from a .223.

As for the 22/250 being the same as a .223. The 22/250 is a bigger round, and has a huge advantage in effective range. The 22/250 cannot be fired from a .223, and the .223 cannot be fired from a 22/250

hope this cleared some things up

cheers

 

[FrankyRizzo]

GSG-5. Nice gun.

I might have to pick one up. Shooting a bunch with cheap ammo is always a winner.

 

[starvenamrvin]

GEt the gsg5 much cooler/better performer.

 

[gunnar]

Soundcolor, are you sure of your info? The .223 and 5.56 are the same round. A 22 Magnum shouldn't chamber in a .22 LR (and wouldn't be a good idea to fire either) I do agree on the 10-22, they can be pretty nice rifles with a little work. One I built up, this bench gun doesn't have any Ruger parts in it though. Not quite what the O.P was asking about, sorry:

 

[soundcolor]

Soundcolor, are you sure of your info? The .223 and 5.56 are the same round. A 22 Magnum shouldn't chamber in a .22 LR (and wouldn't be a good idea to fire either)

The .223 and the 5.56 are not the same round. The 5.56 has a bigger casing, longer projectile, and more grains of powder. You can fire the .223 from a 5.56, tho you may have problems with the blowback being enough to cycle the next round into the chamber.

The extra powder in the 5.56 creates increased pressure in the chamber and barrel, and may cause chamber, or barrel failure. In addition, the 5.56 casing is slightly larger in circumfence, and thus seals extremely tightly in the camber, it may well fit inside the chamber tightly, but once fired, the casing will expand, and another round cannot be loaded into the chamber. If somehow the casing were to manage to be ejected, there is a strong possiblity that the projectile itself, (being both longer, and bigger in circumfrence) will lodge into the chamber, and upon the next round being cycled into the chamber and fired.... BOOOOOOOOM. you know what happens.

As for the .22, I may have mis-stated on the magnum. Your absolutely correct. What I meant to say is that a gun chambered for the .22magnum can fire a standard .22, and a gun chambered for the .22lr can fire a standard .22. But a gun chambered for a standard .22 cannot fire a .22lr, as the casing, and projectile are longer, and it cannot firea .22mag. Likewise, a gun chambered for a .22lr cannot fire a .22mag either.

jeez, i hope i wrote it right this time. So freakin confusing...

 

[gunnar]

Ahh yes, I just read about the two rounds (.223 & 5.56), you are right, I stand corrected!