Yet Another Rock Force Build

[JOOTZ]

i was hoping you got sumthin new bout the @#!&% DIG. super class sounds good, keep us posted on your build.

 

[dezmoon]

i have had very little issues with my dig,,i know exactly what you guys are all talkin about,,when i first put mine in it was dooing all you guys are speaking of,,i pulled it out and massaged some of the moving parts,,i nocked off a very lil amount of material from the locking pins on the plate side,,put angled edges on the plate,,so the pins didnt face a flat wall while trying to dis-engage,,i also removed all the bull shit springs and fuel tubing i was using in the begining,,i have a new dna dig with hd guts in my axial based tuber,,my kyosho dig doesnt work any better or worse than the dna,,im only running a 645 on my rf for dig,,,i guess im just lucky with my rock force,,

 

[dkingston]

Hard anodizing the dig plate is all that was needed.

The latest dig kits from Kyosho are hard anodized.


- DK

 

[Reflection]

i was hoping you got sumthin new bout the @#!&% DIG. super class sounds good, keep us posted on your build

I can't comment on the stock dig as I've never fooled with it. From what I see/read,it requires a steering servo to operate it.:lol: If thats what it takes,fine. Gotta do what you gotta do right.:lol: Won't be anything fancy with my dig. It will work very well though.

Thats enough,I don't wanna highjack this thread with BS."thumbsup"

 

[JOOTZ]

i have had very little issues with my dig,,i know exactly what you guys are all talkin about,,when i first put mine in it was dooing all you guys are speaking of,,i pulled it out and massaged some of the moving parts,,i nocked off a very lil amount of material from the locking pins on the plate side,,put angled edges on the plate,,so the pins didnt face a flat wall while trying to dis-engage,,i also removed all the bull shit springs and fuel tubing i was using in the begining,,i have a new dna dig with hd guts in my axial based tuber,,my kyosho dig doesnt work any better or worse than the dna,,im only running a 645 on my rf for dig,,,i guess im just lucky with my rock force,,

i wish you had step by step pics, my brain is still in bed/LOL

Hard anodizing the dig plate is all that was needed.

The latest dig kits from Kyosho are hard anodized.

- DK

nice to see you back here David, would there be a buy back of sorts for our digs

I can't comment on the stock dig as I've never fooled with it. From what I see/read,it requires a steering servo to operate it.:lol: If thats what it takes,fine. Gotta do what you gotta do right.:lol: Won't be anything fancy with my dig. It will work very well though.

Thats enough,I don't wanna highjack this thread with BS."thumbsup"

then we all gotta hang loose and take more innuendo from einsteins on here then. COOL

 

[dkingston]

I just asked the question and will either post the answer I get or someone from Kyosho will.


- DK

 

[JasonInAugusta]

OK I will admit it... The RF is starting to piss me off now with just one thing after another. :-(

[BEGIN RANT]

My plan was to do an article in RC Car about how to set up the Dig on the RF, but that story is history becuase honestly I can't reccomend the upgrade becuase it sucks.

The dig engagement is far from an upgrade on the RF, it's an adventure and a long one at that. Even with a High torque servo handling shifting and I have my doubts that the plastic shifting fork will handle that kind of torque and long-term stress. Bind it up with dig engaged and you usually need to shift into reverse before it will re-engage. Coming from Kyosho... this should be plug and play for the masses and it's far far form that. Sure most of the guys on this forum will take the time to tinker with it to get it working properly, but I have over 2 hours of tinkering into the dig setup and it still only works right about 10% of the time... if it's bound in any way forget about it. Kyosho REALLY should have done some testing before they threw this out there.

I was really hopeful with the RF and with high-speed gears added and a brushless sensored Tekin 21.T system on 3S it's everything you could hope for. Damn I wish I had this much smooth low power and top end speed in my Axial. It is so freaking smooth.

The more I work with the RF the more frustrated I get working around some seriously poor engineering and design issues. Why the heck did Kyosho make the axles so wide... the origianl design was going to be a Super?, Someone had thier thumb firmly planted in a bio rich area? I don't know. But that in turn makes steering suck along with steering knuckles which hit the Panbar link mount less than full lock.

Then there are the too short axle outputs and stock aluminum wheel nuts that won't even seat fully with stock wheels. WTF was this an after though? I can hear it now... "oh crap we need to hold the wheels on with something?" The aluminum nuts are in the trash and replaced with real 6mm locking nuts as they should have been in the first place.

And then...I believe EVERYTHING on the bottom of the RF was designed specifically to catch on rocks. Geez could they hang more crap down there. It's like they designed the mold with Legos and then cast that shape... have they heard of rounded corners? :roll:

Out of the box the thing is impressive. Fairly low CG and pretty well tuned, however there is really not much further you can go with the RF after that without SERIOUS surgery.

Then I look across the table at my DNA dig equiped Axial rigs and they just work. In fact my Slingshot SE is running a pretty much stock ARTR drivetrain with MIP Axles and my SPV2 just put me in the finals at our last local event. Link watching a ping pong game I start glancing pack and forth at the RF and my Axial rigs and have to start asking myself "Why am I putting all this time into a seemingly lost cause when I could be crawling?"

I think my RF project is getting shelved until I can complete a MOA conversion... and maybe then it will be a Super.

Is it a bad thing if I laughed out loud more than three times while reading this?

 

[stampedeproject]

Is it a bad thing if I laughed out loud more than three times while reading this?

That is our job, from our perspective we are the paid dancing magazine monkeys, and we can't throw out some entertaining comments, then we are all screwed. Glad I could make you laugh.:lol:

Everyone should demand a show....Dance monkey boy dance and entertain me. "thumbsup"


Dean - Apparently I need a new plate to pass go and give this a fair review.

 

[dezmoon]

Hard anodizing the dig plate is all that was needed.

The latest dig kits from Kyosho are hard anodized.


- DK

will they offer just the plate as a seperate purchase,,for those of us who have the dig all ready,,or will it only be available as a full kit??and is there any word on a updated/upgraded shift fork,,lets face it the plastic will only last for so long??

 

[dkingston]

will they offer just the plate as a seperate purchase,,for those of us who have the dig all ready,,or will it only be available as a full kit??and is there any word on a updated/upgraded shift fork,,lets face it the plastic will only last for so long??

I hope to have that answer this week.

The plastic shift fork in mine shows no signs of wear.


- DK

 

[JOOTZ]

^^^ great info,
to those guys who have 4 linked their fronts any feedbacks on handling ? better or same ?

 

[stampedeproject]

I hope to have that answer this week.

The plastic shift fork in mine shows no signs of wear.


- DK

Personally I think it would be the right move for Kyosho to offer to exchange to old plate for the upgraded versions at no charge. Just my two cents.

 

[stampedeproject]

^^^ great info,
to those guys who have 4 linked their fronts any feedbacks on handling ? better or same ?

Thanks but uhmmm.. maybe start your own thread with this question since this is COMPLETELY off topic...:roll:

 

[swtaylor]

Originally Posted by dkingston
Hard anodizing the dig plate is all that was needed.

The latest dig kits from Kyosho are hard anodized.


- DK

I just put in my DIG that I got last week and more often than not I have to back up a bit to get it to disengage, and that is just on flat ground. Should I assume that I received an older DIG kit that wasn't anodized? How would I know if the pieces are anodized? The install was pretty straight forward so I don't think I did anything wrong there. I will try shaving the pins down just a bit to see if that helps, any other things you guys have done to help this issue?

Thanks

 

[stampedeproject]

I just put in my DIG that I got last week and more often than not I have to back up a bit to get it to disengage, and that is just on flat ground. Should I assume that I received an older DIG kit that wasn't anodized? How would I know if the pieces are anodized? The install was pretty straight forward so I don't think I did anything wrong there. I will try shaving the pins down just a bit to see if that helps, any other things you guys have done to help this issue?

Thanks

Same here and kind of what started my rant in the first place.

I would hold off on shaving pins until we see what Kyosho is going to do. Dean indicated that the new anodized plate will solve the issue and if you shave the pins, you may affect performance even with the new plate installed. I would just sit tight and see what Dean hears back from Kyosho.

I am going on the assumption that Kyosho will stand behind their product and offer an acceptable solution.

 

[swtaylor]

Same here and kind of what started my rant in the first place.

I would hold off on shaving pins until we see what Kyosho is going to do. Dean indicated that the new anodized plate will solve the issue and if you shave the pins, you may affect performance even with the new plate installed. I would just sit tight and see what Dean hears back from Kyosho.

I am going on the assumption that Kyosho will stand behind their product and offer an acceptable solution.

Good point on the modification, I'll wait before I going messin' with anything to do with the DIG. For now I just keep it locked as if the DIG wan't installed. This way I am not tempted to use it, get frustrated and try to fix it

 

[Reflection]

I am going on the assumption that Kyosho will stand behind their product and offer an acceptable solution.

I know what the solution is and it's perfectly acceptable. :lol:

 

[stampedeproject]

i know what the solution is and it's perfectly acceptable. :lol:

lol

 

[dezmoon]

Personally I think it would be the right move for Kyosho to offer to exchange to old plate for the upgraded versions at no charge. Just my two cents.

agreed,,,

 

[JavelinSST390]

Personally I think it would be the right move for Kyosho to offer to exchange to old plate for the upgraded versions at no charge. Just my two cents.

agreed,,,

X3...

although the dig on the RF I ran at the Midwest Challenge worked just great for me all day. I don't know if it's something in Sparky0068's setup or the servo he was running or what, (or the fact that I hardly used the thing, LOL) but I had no troubles with it at the comp.

Now when I was testing in my living room, I had troubles with it... that's why I only used it if I HAD to at the Challenge. :roll:

Now I'm buying the truck from him (the only RF stuff left is the axles and trans) So I'll def. be needing that new plate. "thumbsup"

I could see how a hard-ano coating on those pieces could help, but has anyone just tried coating the pins with some good, automotive-grade high-pressure grease or anything? Or would that be impossible/stupid/useless/already tried? (I haven't been inside the axles to see the guts yet, so forgive me if that's a stupid question)