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The recent changes to Nats/worlds
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metalry101
Quarry Creeper
Good advice. For some, Sacramento might be the cheaper flight.
You're right. Not only sponsored drivers are going. As mentioned previously, the ballers will be there too. I don't know about your club, but 801RCC isn't made up of ballers. Not to say everyone is a broke-ass college student like me, but I'd say probably only 10-15% of our comp regulars make 75K+ a year. Maybe it's different elsewhere in the country, but around here, baller status is not required to compete in r/c crawling.
It will be removed. I am saddened that you are no longer in charge of rcc. The majority of us respect you and were happy to have you in charge. This could be a grave mistake for the crawling comunity, as there has to be respect for the person in charge. I am sorry if it came off wrong to you. It was more out of frustration. I hope that your decision was a wise one, it is one you have to live with. Again i ment no disrespect to you at all.
Steve
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They all had the chance, right? They, themselves DID NOT SHOW. If they don't compete, how can you say they had a shot?
So what are you bitchin about?
Tell joe not to build that buggy & go defend his title.
I spent well over $2000 in 06, by my self. When it was cheaper.
When you shit, you gotta push harder.:lol:
joesbruiser
I wanna be Dave
I guess I would rather have something to show for the money spent
but She hates the buggy idea so I guess that is not going to happen either.
Bermbuster
Pebble Pounder
reality is everything we do costs money.....
the entry seems high but if you win you will be making some money so the costs will be less....
To me what hurts is the time frame. Short notice means no time to save or prepare for such an event..... it is going to be the First World Championship..... You crawlers who have a chance at winning....
think twice.....beg borrow or steal (kidding) you will regret missing this crawling opportunity. If I would have known about this back in January my crawling year would have been done much differently......
the entry seems high but if you win you will be making some money so the costs will be less....
To me what hurts is the time frame. Short notice means no time to save or prepare for such an event..... it is going to be the First World Championship..... You crawlers who have a chance at winning....
think twice.....beg borrow or steal (kidding) you will regret missing this crawling opportunity. If I would have known about this back in January my crawling year would have been done much differently......
Benzbuildr
RCC Addict
Well I guess I will not be going to my first (nats) worlds because of the date, I was planning in Sept just to short of a notice. 
unless something comes up between now and then.
How about planning for next year NOW.
unless something comes up between now and then.
How about planning for next year NOW.
Nail meet hammer."thumbsup"
TEDROCKZ
I wanna be Dave
Was planning to come over w/Rockcrawler and the rest of the SE crew. I work every other weekend, so I volunteered to work every weekend in August where I could have all the weekends in September off(Just knew/assumed that is was going to be in Sept.). Hate that it did not work out. Just bought a helluva Air Soft rifle:twisted:.
Maybe next year they will take into consideration a convenient place for the East and West coast drivers. 2379.33 mile from my house.
Maybe next year they will take into consideration a convenient place for the East and West coast drivers. 2379.33 mile from my house.
Kranberry
RCC Addict
my thoughts on it:
- donner is not close to an airport, ther is one right outside of moab.
- NATs or " world finals:roll:" has a long tradition of being hosted in moab.
- yes i know donner is a ski ranch so it will have some food and lodging. but allot of the places wont be very close to the site. but with moab you have the whole town pretty much next to the comp site. and a place to see some cool rolls at potato salad hill:lol:.
- donner ski ranch is not as well known as moab. moab is a world renouned place to crawl.
- the 1:1 trail ride wont be as fun on the donner trails, moab has trails galore for the 1:1 trail ride
- a ton of people have already booked a condo/hotel/flights for moab, some even a jeep rental from farbees jeep's or whatever.
- less people are going to go and watch and hang out. but i doubt the hosts care:roll:.
- its allot of extra miles for most people.so alot of people wont be there. one of those being me:evil:
Dont like it one bit...Moab is the Mecca, and that IMO, is where the "worlds, nationals, so on" should stay. For one comp a year, it should be in Moab. I was planning on attending nats this year, and was really excited for it. Being in september, and in moab, the weather would be just right. But, dropping a bombshell like this, on VERY short notice has definately made it way harder for me to try to squeeze in. If your going to plan something big like this, it needs to be well in advance, and let ppl know that it is coming up, and letting the know dates/location in advance. This was an idea that wasnt very well thought out. I hope it doesnt happen again. When you plan every nationals event in Sept, and in moab, ppl can already say they know the location, and the month. Then when the dates are realised they can confirm it. I dont know how many ppl you are going to have show up to this one, on such short notice. I hope that only good comes from this lesson.
I hope that nats in the future stay in Moab. the Mecca of offroading.
I hope that nats in the future stay in Moab. the Mecca of offroading.
Jason and Badger sold us out. This entire move is more about corporate pandering, money and the growth of rc rock crawling to make money. What use to be a simple well planned and well facilitated event in Utah for the National Champion of the United States has now been done away with for corporate sponsorship and money. Never mind the fact that the specific vendor organizing and running the event happens to be one of RCC's worst in terms of poor customer service and questionable products.
My goodness Jason and John, were things so bad that you sold out the community for this? Did you need to pimp corporate product and RCC TV so badly that you ruined the dreams and small aspirations of some by doing this just weeks before the event?
I realize I am not an OG elitist, a marginal driver and maybe average builder, but this is disappointing. I do see the bigger picture and I do not like where it's going. I was drawn in part to rc rock crawling because it seemed so anti main stream. It didn't have ROAR, IFMAR, or political sanctioning bodies that were big and out of touch. It had only USRCCA and at the time things were extremely simple. You could go out and rock crawl anywhere. The fancy prepped race track was not needed.
It's no wonder you agonized over this decision Jason, I think you knew what it meant. You sold yourself and the company's flag ship event to corporate sponsors. Now it's no longer Nats, it's Worlds and it's corporate all over it. And this is just the beginning as you and others have already hinted to in this thread. Now we will get to have regionals, and semi finals, and finals and then worlds every year if this "sport" continues to grow.
How sad. Electric and nitro racing suck because of the politics and money behind them and now rc rock crawling has just decided to lay down in bed with them. Good going guys. I always knew RCC was a business and not a community.
I really feel sorry for our own local driver who earned his way to Nats this year. Two years ago we had no club in our area but we knew this particular member had a real talent. We joined TXRCRCA and were able to get a recognized local chapter. Through a lot of work, some misunderstandings and some drama we completed our first official season this year. Our local chapter qualified five drivers for State and that same local driver made it through to Nats. The guy was so ecstatic he earned his way to Nats. What sweetened the deal even more was that he had purchased a nice Toyota 1:1 crawler this year and he was going to bring it for the infamous 1:1 trail ride done every year at Moab. Until this. With the change in venue / location as well as the earlier date, now he can't afford to go and the desire to go is not there. Is corporate sponsorship worth the people you are hurting Jason and John?
Long gone are the days of guys building crawlers in there garage out of homemade parts cut with hand tools.
My goodness Jason and John, were things so bad that you sold out the community for this? Did you need to pimp corporate product and RCC TV so badly that you ruined the dreams and small aspirations of some by doing this just weeks before the event?
I realize I am not an OG elitist, a marginal driver and maybe average builder, but this is disappointing. I do see the bigger picture and I do not like where it's going. I was drawn in part to rc rock crawling because it seemed so anti main stream. It didn't have ROAR, IFMAR, or political sanctioning bodies that were big and out of touch. It had only USRCCA and at the time things were extremely simple. You could go out and rock crawl anywhere. The fancy prepped race track was not needed.
It's no wonder you agonized over this decision Jason, I think you knew what it meant. You sold yourself and the company's flag ship event to corporate sponsors. Now it's no longer Nats, it's Worlds and it's corporate all over it. And this is just the beginning as you and others have already hinted to in this thread. Now we will get to have regionals, and semi finals, and finals and then worlds every year if this "sport" continues to grow.
How sad. Electric and nitro racing suck because of the politics and money behind them and now rc rock crawling has just decided to lay down in bed with them. Good going guys. I always knew RCC was a business and not a community.
I really feel sorry for our own local driver who earned his way to Nats this year. Two years ago we had no club in our area but we knew this particular member had a real talent. We joined TXRCRCA and were able to get a recognized local chapter. Through a lot of work, some misunderstandings and some drama we completed our first official season this year. Our local chapter qualified five drivers for State and that same local driver made it through to Nats. The guy was so ecstatic he earned his way to Nats. What sweetened the deal even more was that he had purchased a nice Toyota 1:1 crawler this year and he was going to bring it for the infamous 1:1 trail ride done every year at Moab. Until this. With the change in venue / location as well as the earlier date, now he can't afford to go and the desire to go is not there. Is corporate sponsorship worth the people you are hurting Jason and John?
Long gone are the days of guys building crawlers in there garage out of homemade parts cut with hand tools.
binaryterror
I wanna be Dave
So you locals can go cheaper? I'd agree to Moab or anywhere yearly, if they set up entry fee based on distance to the comp (the further you come, the less you pay).
Moab - Donner is only 750 miles.
Detroit - Moab is 1680 miles.:shock:
Detroit - Donner is 2228 miles.:shock:
I wish I would only have 750 miles to travel. I could do that in a car no problems. RC Rock Crawling is more widespread than 1:1. There many of us into RC aspect and have never done any 1:1 crawling, wheeling; nor care to.
Think about the rest of the world, not just yourself. There are plenty of other amazing terrains to hold crawling all over the US (well not in Michigan:-().
Moab does not have an International Airport. It is a small airfield and costs a fortune to fly into (even domestic flights). Making a WORLD Championship harder and more costly for those willing and capable competitors from around the country and world.
The closest International Airport to Moab is 236 miles away in Salt Lake City.
The closest domestic and cheap airport to Moab is Walker in Grand Junction, 110 miles away.
Reno (55 miles) and Sacramento (98 miles) are both International Airports.
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jetboat
I wanna be Dave
I hate to say it but, its no more expensive to fly to Reno and rent a car than it is to fly to Grand Junction and rent a car. The difference is that Moab is drivable for allot and Donner isnt.
Still the biggest problem I have is getting my gear there. Im going to have to find a way to pack just enough tools and supplies and figure out how to take my super apart so that it can be reassembled easily when I get there.
Still the biggest problem I have is getting my gear there. Im going to have to find a way to pack just enough tools and supplies and figure out how to take my super apart so that it can be reassembled easily when I get there.
Kinson
Pebble Pounder
As a newbie enjoying this hobby for about a year, I may have it all totally wrong but all I can say is "wow".
After reading all these threads and comments, I'm amazed. I guess everyone that is complaining, would rather there NOT be a National/World's Event, and just skip this year all together rather than find an atlernative site to host the event this year.
While reading, I agree it was not the best way to handle the situation, but read the posts again. I get the feeling that Moab was not doable due to there not being enough time with the new group to get the proper permits, etc. to run an event at Moab, and thus Donner was a last minute "plan B".
So while I agree the move to Donner is a pain in the "ace", if Donner was not able to step forward, I guess everyone would be mad that they canceled the event for the year. And for some, that sounds like a better plan/idea.
I do hope, as it's been mentioned, that this does not become like the ROAR/IFMAR offroad racing where it's no longer fun to show up for an event. One of the reasons I quit the ofroad racing was due to how it was becoming more like a big corporation and less the original intent of some guys getting together and racing their vehicle.
I will close my thoughts by saying, I do hope those in charge read all the posts with an open mind and not be biased and that some good will come to this bad situation for future events.
After reading all these threads and comments, I'm amazed. I guess everyone that is complaining, would rather there NOT be a National/World's Event, and just skip this year all together rather than find an atlernative site to host the event this year.
While reading, I agree it was not the best way to handle the situation, but read the posts again. I get the feeling that Moab was not doable due to there not being enough time with the new group to get the proper permits, etc. to run an event at Moab, and thus Donner was a last minute "plan B".
So while I agree the move to Donner is a pain in the "ace", if Donner was not able to step forward, I guess everyone would be mad that they canceled the event for the year. And for some, that sounds like a better plan/idea.
I do hope, as it's been mentioned, that this does not become like the ROAR/IFMAR offroad racing where it's no longer fun to show up for an event. One of the reasons I quit the ofroad racing was due to how it was becoming more like a big corporation and less the original intent of some guys getting together and racing their vehicle.
I will close my thoughts by saying, I do hope those in charge read all the posts with an open mind and not be biased and that some good will come to this bad situation for future events.
joesbruiser
I wanna be Dave
It is reall simple .
Put your 2.2 in a book bag and put it under the seat if no 2.2 use the bag for you radio and parts.
Take your super and worst case take the front axle loose and put it in you carry on bag.Then you have control over what happens to your rigs.Take your tools and parts and pack them in your checked bag with your clothes.
Clothes are cheap if they get lost and can be replaced easy when you get there.
RCC and USRCCA are two seperate things. He is not in charge of this comp which is a USRCCA comp. Nobody said anything about him not being in charge of RCC.
Seems to me that 801RCC is the biggest group of complainers in this thread, and the event is still pretty damn close to you guys. Sorry it moved out of your state.
I, along with Badger am still in charge of RCC, USRCCA is a different story.
In the 3 years we have held the event in Moab, I know of 1 person who actually flew into the Moab airport and that was my wife. Donner has 2 world class international airports less than 100 miles away
Did you think it could be held at the same location forever? Honestly even though Moab is a mecca for rockcrawling I worked with the BLM and SITLA looking for another spot in Moab to hold the event, and there is no where else that can be done safely and legally with the amount of people this event draws. You know as well as I do that we could use that same patch of rocks forever.
You have me there, food and stuff is about a 15 minute drive from Donner, as opposed to the 5 minute drive from Potato Salad Hill. We will however be close to those things than we were at the '06 Nats when they were at area BFE.
Moab is known world wide for 1:1 crawling, not RC. Like I said above, to think we could keep holding events forever on the same small patch of rocks is crazy.
1. I doubt there will be much of a 1:1 trail ride at Donner, 2. Ever heard of the famous Rubicon trail? I'd almost wager that it's more well known than any of the trails in Moab.
Why would people have done that? No date or location was ever mentioned.
Really are you sure about that? I'd guess most spectators at an event live within an hour or 2 from the event site. How many RCC members live within an hour or 2 of Moab? Now how many RCC members live within an hour or 2 of Donner?
Wouldn't want you to venture out of your own state.
We didn't sell out of nothing. I am not sure what you are talking about when you say corporate pandering? Isn't growning this hobby what it's all about? That is what I have been trying to do since the day I started this site.
Really? I haven't got a single dime of corporate sponsorship money? I do know however that this year for the first time in history the top drivers will be receiving cash money for their top performances.
Have you attended one of Jake and Parkers events?
John and I no longer have the time to put on a high caliber event like that nationals were. Those types of events take months of dedication to pull off correctly. In years past everything else around me suffered for the 2 months before Nationals. With my normal job being busier than ever, RCC being busier than ever, and now with the new RCShortcourse site I simply do not have time to properly organize and run nationals.
Once again is there something I am not aware of, who are these corporate sponsors that I sold the event to? Should I be checking my mailbox for a check?
If you needed someone to take over RCC or Nationals because yall do not have the time, I would have.
Still would too.
