Its kinda a weird setup, a private public FD. The whole deal raises questions in my mind. How do they handle car accidents, brush fires, puppy stuck in a sewer and etc in the "outskirts".
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fire dept in tenn lets house burn down cuz ownwer forgot to pay $75 annual fee
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Its kinda a weird setup, a private public FD. The whole deal raises questions in my mind. How do they handle car accidents, brush fires, puppy stuck in a sewer and etc in the "outskirts".
i know exactly what happened i quess you failed to see i live in TN...The county does not have a county-wide firefighting service, but South Fulton offers fire coverage to rural residents for a fee, for the simply fact in city pays the tax for this service out of city doesnt... it still boils down they didnt pay so they didnt provide them with the service
lets put in stupid terms for some of you.... to see the classifieds on rcc you have to have a star
with no star no classifieds......its pretty easy nothing in this world is free.
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They have already said they knew 100% that there were no people in danger and if there had been they would have done something about it.
No ones life was at stake in this situation, it's totally different.
I saw you live in TN. I also know TN is more than just one county and you may not live in that county or be familiar with the incident.
Thats why I agreed with Jasons comment on paying the $75 a year fee or $7500 per incident for those people on the outskirts.
salmonshark
Pebble Pounder
My understanding was that this has been going on for 20+yrs in this area; the $75 fee. I do believe though, they could have fined the F out of them; 7500+ for emergency response. Would make people think twice on not paying the 75 bucks...
Here is another thing... What if they started to put out the fire, and another fire broke out across town and they DID pay their 75 bucks... But now, response time sucks ass because they are already deployed. And as someone else stated; lawsuits! What if there was a huge fine, I bet you see some end up in court fighting the fine costing tax payers more money.
People need to take some responsibility for f's sake.
SS
Here is another thing... What if they started to put out the fire, and another fire broke out across town and they DID pay their 75 bucks... But now, response time sucks ass because they are already deployed. And as someone else stated; lawsuits! What if there was a huge fine, I bet you see some end up in court fighting the fine costing tax payers more money.
People need to take some responsibility for f's sake.
SS
EvilTwin v2
I wanna be Dave
It looks like alot to this case that the family with the burned house isn't telling.
First off, the reports are that the Fire Department is located in the city and for the city, but offered for an extremely small fee $75 per year to all outlying people and these homeowners did not take that. I know that my city's paid fire department does not leave the city limits for any reason, so they're offering a pretty nice service... oh, and I pay a Public Safety fee that's far higher than $75 per year to keep our Fire Departent going!
The people did not forget to pay the fee. They refused to pay it. They hadn't paid it the previous year either. Like it or not, it's money that keeps the fire departments running. It looked like their equipment was severely outdated, so they don't likely have a huge budget to work with.
Oh, and while the $75 is cheap, it's per household, not $75 per fire. It probably cost them nearly that much just to get their equipment on scene (fuel, etc.) let alone all costs incurred while fighting the fire.
It's people like this that probably also drive without insurance and do who knows what else to drain society. There's something to be said for personal responsibility.
First off, the reports are that the Fire Department is located in the city and for the city, but offered for an extremely small fee $75 per year to all outlying people and these homeowners did not take that. I know that my city's paid fire department does not leave the city limits for any reason, so they're offering a pretty nice service... oh, and I pay a Public Safety fee that's far higher than $75 per year to keep our Fire Departent going!
The people did not forget to pay the fee. They refused to pay it. They hadn't paid it the previous year either. Like it or not, it's money that keeps the fire departments running. It looked like their equipment was severely outdated, so they don't likely have a huge budget to work with.
Oh, and while the $75 is cheap, it's per household, not $75 per fire. It probably cost them nearly that much just to get their equipment on scene (fuel, etc.) let alone all costs incurred while fighting the fire.
It's people like this that probably also drive without insurance and do who knows what else to drain society. There's something to be said for personal responsibility.
EvilTwin v2
I wanna be Dave
The biggest problem with the $7500 fee is that what's the chances of actually collecting it? If the people are already refusing to pay the $75 annually, do you really think they'd pay the $7500. They might say they'd pay, but the chances of collecting are pretty slim.
I would assume in a lot of cases homeowners insurance would cover the fee to have the fire put out. It depends the contents of the policy. Being a business owner myself I have no assurances I will ever get paid either. If I don't get paid I have to go through the legal system to recoup costs. Some very good points from both sides and I agree the homeowner shows a great deal of neglegence.
EvilTwin v2
I wanna be Dave
Well put.
That was extreme, but it proved a point. I bet they and others who aren't paying the fee will think twice about not paying it again. They should have some sort of law stating "if you dont pay your fawking $75, and we put the flames out on your house, its ours, as well as everything inside, and you are going to the shelter. If you are trapped inside and we rescue you, you're ass in longer yours either." Then do a "fire sale" on the house. :mrgreen:
ram_tough
Rock Crawler
Or the existance of a policy :roll:. The fact here is that the services were offered; and when the fee was not payed, those services were refused. Jason mentioned the $7,500 figure, however it is in fact much higher. A similar incident happened around a year or more ago which involved a house fire in a 'Protection Fee' area. The fee was not paid, the FD responded, and when all the smoke cleared the homeowner was stuck with a bill upwards of $20,000.
EDIT: News Story
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EvilTwin v2
I wanna be Dave
awesome----sociallism
hopefully this train of thought is getting voted out in nov.
Wow! I can't believe you just went that route with this.
So, should the government provide any service whatsoever, or should we also disband all police forces, military, etc in favor of private companies???
RANOVRU
Quarry Creeper
rock hard
dnf
I know in this instance yes,and that everyinstance is different.But if the first thing the responders have to do is make sure that the people are up on thier dues.Well its valuable time that often makes the difference.I could care less about the property damage,hell thats what insurance is for.If you pay for it your safe.If not your screwed,same here,except it places a burden IMO on the responders,a decisiuon has to be made.
I would say that homes that havnt paid get the services,then a lien placed on the property for reinbursment.Then there is absolutly no question or descrepancy for the responders.
Also:what if your a renter and your landlord didnt pay?
Its just a poor policy IMO,and a better one will probably be put in place soon I would imagine.
Oh I guess I should mention,My wife lost ALL her childhood memories in a housefire,the home was on the county line,the firedepartment that showed up said "its not our to put out and watched it burn"?As a result theree are NO pictures of her or her brothers as children.
That was nearly 20 yrs ago,so this has been an issue for a long time.
And you would think that we could figure out by now.
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JeremyH
I wanna be Dave
I am wondering if their insurance will deny the claim since the property owners refused to pay for adequate emergency coverage....
agreed"thumbsup"
and for you people that dont live around here hows this, if they were to help them and got hurt they are on there own, ya as in the 75 bucks goes to the insurance to cover them if and when they get hurt.
RC Shocker
Rock Crawler
Aint that the truth.
Uh oh, looks like a good signature for someone.
Well said. "thumbsup"