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[JeremyH]

Name the last illness that had a permanent "cure".

Exactly.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Exactly.

Exactly.

The treatment for cancer is radiation, surgery, and a huge mess of prescription drugs. Some for pain, some to help your appetite, some for nausea, some for constipation, etc etc etc.

Most of which are prescribed to counteract the side effects of the original meds they put you on.

That's big business, and a whole lot 'o money.

Marijuana would remove the need for nearly all of those meds. It helps with pain, helps your appetite, doesn't make you nauseous or constipated, non-addicting, etc, etc.

That's a big hit to pharma's pocketbook.

If marijuana "doesn't work", which pretty much every FDA test has shown, then why would they synthesize the thc and put it in pill form?

 

[CREEPERBOB]

Name the last illness that had a permanent "cure".

I think that would be called death.

 

[JeremyH]

Marijuana would remove the need for nearly all of those meds. It helps with pain, helps your appetite, doesn't make you nauseous or constipated, non-addicting, etc, etc.

Does it provide a "cure"?

BTW, most of the centers in which I have worked provide nothing more than Aquaphor (you can find it on the shelf at any drug store) to help patients with the side effects from their radiation therapy.

 

[CREEPERBOB]

If marijuana "doesn't work", which pretty much every FDA test has shown, then why would they synthesize the thc and put it in pill form?

Exactly "thumbsup".

 

[CREEPERBOB]

Does it provide a "cure"?QUOTE]

No it does'nt "cure" anything, it just does what most narcotics do without the addiction aspect, numb the debilitating affects of the disease and allows for a better life experiance.

 

[JeremyH]

No it does'nt "cure" anything, it just does what most narcotics do without the addiction aspect, numb the debilitating affects of the disease and allows for a better life experiance.

Yeah, I knew what he was getting at, just thought I'd make the clarification between the two different points as well as state that there are some preconceived notions about modern therapy that are simply wrong. "thumbsup"

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Does it provide a "cure"?

BTW, most of the centers in which I have worked provide nothing more than Aquaphor (you can find it on the shelf at any drug store) to help patients with the side effects from their radiation therapy.

No, of course not. But its a lot better option to some of the crap you're prescribed afterwards.

My father in law, during and after his bouts with cancer, had a laundry list of meds. A good portion of it was to combat the side effects of the base items he was taking. Quite a nasty (and expensive!) chemical cocktail.

On occasion I will take one 15mg morphine pill for my migraines. It jacks me up in a few different ways for a couple of days. He was prescribed the same stuff in higher and more frequent doses. Knowing what it'll do to me leaves me little doubt about why he needed all the other meds to straighten him out enough to function.

 

[JeremyH]

My father in law, during and after his bouts with cancer, had a laundry list of meds. A good portion of it was to combat the side effects of the base items he was taking. Quite a nasty (and expensive!) chemical cocktail.

There are a few different problems with your comparison.

First, and most obvious, most illnesses that aren't controlled within the body by itself are going to require a treatment that the body simply wont like....otherwise the problem will persist.

Second, I assume, since you used the word "cocktail" he was taking chemo. Again, this is an aggressive treatment and is essentially trying to poison cells in the body. You'd be hard pressed to find a treatment (herbal or modern) that will be effective and not difficult for the patient to deal with.

As far as treating side effects, I am good with whatever the patient feels most comfortable with...."thumbsup"

 

[crunky]

sweet !
so now we have gone from a craigslist ad, to MMJ, to cancer and other controlled illnesses... yes i will call them controlled illnesses because my beliefs are more along the lines of the conspiracy theories duuuuuuude is hinting about.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

First, and most obvious, most illnesses that aren't controlled within the body by itself are going to require a treatment that the body simply wont like....otherwise the problem will persist.

Second, I assume, since you used the word "cocktail" he was taking chemo. Again, this is an aggressive treatment and is essentially trying to poison cells in the body. You'd be hard pressed to find a treatment (herbal or modern) that will be effective and not difficult for the patient to deal with.

As far as treating side effects, I am good with whatever the patient feels most comfortable with...."thumbsup"

First, of course.

Second, while he was taking chemo, I was referring to the small pharmacy he had be prescribed for when he was home. Thousands of dollars worth of stuff. The most apparent items were those that helped him deal with the morphine. The morphine made him nauseous, so there was another med for that. It also made him constipated, so there was another med for that. And, because he was nauseous AND severely constipated, and because the meds given him to counteract those two things weren't working very well, he didn't want to eat much. There was another med for that. I don't know if you've ever had morphine before, but its not something I care to take very often.

 

[CREEPERBOB]

First, of course.

Second, while he was taking chemo, I was referring to the small pharmacy he had be prescribed for when he was home. Thousands of dollars worth of stuff. The most apparent items were those that helped him deal with the morphine. The morphine made him nauseous, so there was another med for that. It also made him constipated, so there was another med for that. And, because he was nauseous AND severely constipated, and because the meds given him to counteract those two things weren't working very well, he didn't want to eat much. There was another med for that. I don't know if you've ever had morphine before, but its not something I care to take very often.

Morphine is a little stronger version of oxycontin and the lesser hydrocodone (loritab) which are all opiates, all bad news if you have to use them for more than a week, thats when the addiction begins.
And thats when the cure begins to be worse than the illness.

 

[JeremyH]

Thousands of dollars worth of stuff.

You can thank your government for those high prices. "thumbsup"
Hummm...I wonder if they'd do the same thing if pot was legalized....;-)

yes i will call them controlled illnesses because my beliefs are more along the lines of the conspiracy theories duuuuuuude is hinting about.

What conspiracy do you think is out there? You expect there to be a single pill for the thousands of different types of malignancies classified as "cancer" and that that lone pill will ensure the eradication of ALL cells involved in that malignancy?

 

[EddieO]

I am not gonna touch on any of the other issues, but historically this has proven to NOT be true. When Booze was illegal, the number of home distilleries was in the hundreds of thousands, while once it legalized again, the number went drastically down. You can google the stats, the numbers are mind boggling.

While home distilling is still illegal, beer brewing is not. Very few people do it.....

You need to remember, people are lazy.....tax or not, they won't grow their own when they can walk down to the store and buy a 20 sack.

Home growers would NEVER make a dent to be noticed, besides.....its not like they were getting any tax from it before.

And for the record, I have NEVER done any drugs in my life.......I drink maybe 5 times a year and have never even taken a drag off a cigarette.

I say legalize it and tax the crap out of it........concentrate on drugs that are a threat, like Meth, Cocaine, or Heroin.

Later EddieO

The only reason they dont legalize it is because anyone can grow it anywhere and they couldnt tax it like they can alcohol...

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

You can thank your government for those high prices. "thumbsup"
Hummm...I wonder if they'd do the same thing if pot was legalized....;-)

They couldn't. You can't grow pain pills at home, but you can grow weed. They wouldn't be able to regulate where patients got their marijuana, or who produced it. They wouldn't be able to profit like they do now.

It would be possible for them to be competitive if they kept their prices in line, but they wouldn't have the corner on the market.

What conspiracy do you think is out there?

That big pharma doesn't want to compete with something that could render quite a few of their products unnecessary, so they do "studies" that show how alternatives are either harmful or ineffective and lobby to keep those substances illegal. Like I said earlier, if thc was that damn bad, why did they synthesize it and sell it?

Its like the oil companies saying "hey, our studies have shown that solar panels are dangerous and bad for the environment. Keep using our safe oil. Also, we just developed some solar panels that you should try..."

 

[crunky]

What conspiracy do you think is out there? You expect there to be a single pill for the thousands of different types of malignancies classified as "cancer" and that that lone pill will ensure the eradication of ALL cells involved in that malignancy?

i don't want to get into what conspiracies are out there because i simply don't think RCC has enough bandwidth to support this bullshit.

no there isn't one miracle pill, but if you stop and think for one second you just might possibly see the light of which we are speaking.

if by some miraculous act of that figure most refer to as " GOD " a cure all - end all solution came out for cancer what would all these big name brand hospitals with highly overpaid career individuals would be up to the next day ??

 

[korn_2956]

i don't want to get into what conspiracies are out there because i simply don't think RCC has enough bandwidth to support this bullshit.

no there isn't one miracle pill, but if you stop and think for one second you just might possibly see the light of which we are speaking.

if by some miraculous act of that figure most refer to as " GOD " a cure all - end all solution came out for cancer what would all these big name brand hospitals with highly overpaid career individuals would be up to the next day ??

Yeah man if they cure you your not coming back. No money in cures. But its funny how so many people know everything.

 

[crunky]

Yeah man if they cure you your not coming back. No money in cures. But its funny how so many people know everything.

no, funny is November 7, 1991 and how devastated i was thinking my hero was going to die any minute...

he's still alive.

 

[JeremyH]

That big pharma doesn't want to compete with something that could render quite a few of their products unnecessary, so they do "studies" that show how alternatives are either harmful or ineffective and lobby to keep those substances illegal. Like I said earlier, if thc was that damn bad, why did they synthesize it and sell it?

So wait, they did studies saying it was bad and not to take it....or they did studies and said it was good and to take it? You keep flip flopping.

no there isn't one miracle pill, but if you stop and think for one second you just might possibly see the light of which we are speaking.

Trust me, I have heard these arguments plenty of times. I have yet to see a good argument that shows that pot "cures" anything.

if by some miraculous act of that figure most refer to as " GOD " a cure all - end all solution came out for cancer what would all these big name brand hospitals with highly overpaid career individuals would be up to the next day ??

I am sure this "cure-all" would need someone to sell it. At the very least, someone for the patients to sue when it didnt work.

Yeah man if they cure you your not coming back. No money in cures. But its funny how so many people know everything.

No illness can by 100% cured.

BTW, I am not just speaking out of my ass here.....some of this topic I have studied extensively (and no, my studies did not involve wikipedia as the primary source).

 

[crunky]

Trust me, I have heard these arguments plenty of times. I have yet to see a good argument that shows that pot "cures" anything.

aaaand we can now call you Mr.B... for you missed the bus.

nobody here ever said pot cured anything. it simply aids people dealing with over 250 different syndromes, conditions and illnesses.