Agenda Grinding down America

[MadMax5978]

Just watched this and thought it worth posting

AGENDA: Grinding America Down (Full Movie) FREE to watch for a limited time. on Vimeo

 

[RiceBurner]

That was an extremely interesting watch!!!

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Yeah, that isn't biased. :ror:

 

[MadMax5978]

Yeah, that isn't biased. :ror:

So there's no truth to it at all as far as your concerned? Just a bunch of propaganda from the right?

Just wondering

 

[DRV KRAWLER]

I always tend to keep my mind open. This is something that everyone should at least consider that is happening. I realize many people would prefer to think this is not happening. The attitude that "Our" Government would not do this. Is a very narrow perspective. Open your minds and consider the big picture. I have been watching this happen to America since my Graduation from High School in 1986. That is about the time my mind finally opened up.
I am not a "WHACKO" but a concerned person living in a time of "Change". We all should be very concerned of what this is showing us. We are the ones who can make the right change for our children.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

So there's no truth to it at all as far as your concerned? Just a bunch of propaganda from the right?

Just wondering

Propaganda is not simply another word for "lies". Propaganda is the spin you put on the truth to make your ideology seem more favorable than your opponents.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I always tend to keep my mind open. This is something that everyone should at least consider that is happening. I realize many people would prefer to think this is not happening. The attitude that "Our" Government would not do this. Is a very narrow perspective. Open your minds and consider the big picture. I have been watching this happen to America since my Graduation from High School in 1986. That is about the time my mind finally opened up.
I am not a "WHACKO" but a concerned person living in a time of "Change". We all should be very concerned of what this is showing us. We are the ones who can make the right change for our children.

Change happens all the time. Every decade is different than the last, but change is not always a terrible thing...

If, however, that change is not working in our benifit, we have to realize that it is not just one group responsible...we are all responsible. One group may have caused it but if we stood by and let it happen we are equally at fault.

We are naturally progressing towards a unified planetary society. Eventually there will be a single, global governing body. It is no different than grouping small towns and villages under county jurisdiction, or all of the counties under state jurisdiction, or all of the states under national jurisdiction.

 

[RANOVRU]

A conservative Zeitgeist lol.


I dont agree with a lot of it because of the fact I keep an open mind. Many of the opinions/thought they introduce close down openmindedness. I did agree on a couple of points though.


It screams conservative propaganda as implied by the title, but it was a good watch.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

It screams conservative Christian propaganda, but it was a good watch.

Fixed it. :ror:

 

[CREEPERBOB]

I would say much of this is factual, it has been going on much longer than from '58 though. this type of treasonous mentality has been on our shores for over a century.
From our schools to the slavery the goverment is imposing on the people is fact. Anyone with a brain (half a brain) can see it, all that is needed is just a look around. The class warfare (evil rich) that is being shoved down our throats, the glorification of womens right to choose (abortion), the whole gay marriage (anti family agenda) and the regulations that are destroying anyones chance to become succesfull (EPA) are just the tip of the iceberg that is being implimented in our country and filling it with "useful idiots" to give up any and all freedoms and liberties through the slavery of poverty and unaccountability.
Call it communisum, socialism or what ever you want, it is not freedom.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

The class warfare (evil rich) that is being shoved down our throats

That is also propaganda, just from the other side. Not all rich people are evil, and not all evil people are rich.

But I would ask you...who has benefited most these last couple of decades?

the glorification of womens right to choose (abortion)

While I am not a huge proponent of abortion, it is the womans right to choose.

the whole gay marriage (anti family agenda)

Gay marriage is still a family, just not in the typical sense. While obviously gay partners cannot conceive naturally, there is still adoption and fertilization that makes that possible. The basic construct of a family and its values are still there.

Call it communisum, socialism or what ever you want, it is not freedom.

Having a choice to abort a pregnancy is freedom. Having a choice to marry your same sex partner is freedom.

 

[CREEPERBOB]

And I rest my case,,,,,,,,, excuses to continue down the dead end road.

Why are you jealous that the rich got richer? Without them this would not be America.



It may be there right, but I sure as hell should'nt have to pay for it, I did;'nt stick my pecker in them.



Gay marriage is wrong, I feel that gays should be protected in as much as if they are life partners , :roll:, they should have all the rights any American should have in so for as insurance, retirement etc. but not marriage.
I will never accept gayus as okay to raise or adopt kids, they will destroy there lives and minds, I ahve seen, more than just a couple instances where these "couples" have gotten to raise kids that end up gay,,,,and no, I do not believe it is normal and actually believe it is child abuse / endangerment.

That is also propaganda, just from the other side. Not all rich people are evil, and not all evil people are rich.

But I would ask you...who has benefited most these last couple of decades?



While I am not a huge proponent of abortion, it is the womans right to choose.






Gay marriage is still a family, just not in the typical sense. While obviously gay partners cannot conceive naturally, there is still adoption and fertilization that makes that possible. The basic construct of a family and its values are still there.





Having a choice to abort a pregnancy is freedom. Having a choice to marry your same sex partner is freedom.

Already covered these.

 

[Bukwylde]

I would say much of this is factual, it has been going on much longer than from '58 though. this type of treasonous mentality has been on our shores for over a century.
From our schools to the slavery the goverment is imposing on the people is fact. Anyone with a brain (half a brain) can see it, all that is needed is just a look around. The class warfare (evil rich) that is being shoved down our throats, the glorification of womens right to choose (abortion), the whole gay marriage (anti family agenda) and the regulations that are destroying anyones chance to become succesfull (EPA) are just the tip of the iceberg that is being implimented in our country and filling it with "useful idiots" to give up any and all freedoms and liberties through the slavery of poverty and unaccountability.
Call it communisum, socialism or what ever you want, it is not freedom.

Your whole statement is opinion.
You say it's class warfare and I agree with you except I believe big business is trying to create poor uneducated masses so they can have cheap labor.
You say "glorification of womens right to choose", I say who else's right shoul it be?
You say "anti family agenda". I say gay marriges are just as loving, richeous, and successful as hetro marrige. And just how does gay marriage ruin it for the rest of us?
You say the EPA is destroying any chance of success? There is more fuel production in this country than at any point in history, the rich are becoming richer than at any point in our history, busineses are making more than they ever did in history. So without even brining up global warming it sure looks to me like SOME people are successful.
Your last statement about goverment trying to create a slave state is covered by my first one as well.

 

[CREEPERBOB]

You definately have your talking points in line "thumbsup".

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

And I rest my case,,,,,,,,, excuses to continue down the dead end road.

I'm not making excuses. :ror:

Why are you jealous that the rich got richer? Without them this would not be America.

I'm not at all jealous. Hell, my bro-in-law is a 1%er, I'm happy for him and his success.

But I'm not talking about your average $250k+ people, I'm talking about those that knowingly and purposely gain wealth by exploitation, deceit, and corruption.

It is wholly unfair to lump all wealthy people into money sucking society destroyers just as it is unfair to lump all poor people into money sucking society destroyers.

It may be there right, but I sure as hell should'nt have to pay for it, I did;'nt stick my pecker in them.

Abortions are cheaper than welfare. ;-)

Gay marriage is wrong, I feel that gays should be protected in as much as if they are life partners , :roll:, they should have all the rights any American should have in so for as insurance, retirement etc. but not marriage.

I will never accept gayus as okay to raise or adopt kids, they will destroy there lives and minds, I ahve seen, more than just a couple instances where these "couples" have gotten to raise kids that end up gay,,,,and no, I do not believe it is normal and actually believe it is child abuse / endangerment.

And I have seen instances where gay couple raise perfectly normal straight children. It is all in the parenting and influence. It is just as easy (and as common) to raise a close minded, fearful, ignorant, and hateful child in a Christian family. Is that not also abusive and endangering their well being?

 

[CREEPERBOB]

I'm not making excuses. :ror:

I never said I had anything against the rich, it is coming from the president down, and I'm not lumping anyone together, the wealthy are a neccasery part of a great nation.
Who should say whether they earned it fairly or not, it's there money.

I'm not at all jealous. Hell, my bro-in-law is a 1%er, I'm happy for him and his success.

But I'm not talking about your average $250k+ people, I'm talking about those that knowingly and purposely gain wealth by exploitation, deceit, and corruption.

It is wholly unfair to lump all wealthy people into money sucking society destroyers just as it is unfair to lump all poor people into money sucking society destroyers.



Abortions are cheaper than welfare. ;-)


That is lame and I should'nt have to pay for any of someone elses screwups, of course that would mean they would have to be accountable for themselves :roll:, Obummer would have non of that.




And I have seen instances where gay couple raise perfectly normal straight children. It is all in the parenting and influence. It is just as easy (and as common) to raise a close minded, fearful, ignorant, and hateful child in a Christian family. Is that not also abusive and endangering their well being?

Yeah, the best thing for a child to see is there dad sticking in there other dad's ass. :roll:

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I find it funny that underlying all of this political hooha is a religious agenda, specifically a Christian one.

Was this country founded by Christians? Yes. Were our laws born from Christian morality? Among many other things, yes.

But this is NOT a Christian nation. The United States of America was specifically designed to be a religiously ambiguous nation, a democracy where all beliefs are welcome, not as a single track theocracy. Freedom to believe what you choose or don't choose to believe.

Our founders knew the dangers and oppressive potentials of a theocratic state, and were very careful to avoid letting that happen. It is one of the basic reasons why people came here in the first place...to get out from under the religious oppression found in Europe at the time.

So God is no longer in our schools (in reality He only was for about 20 years). Guess what? God isn't in the Constitution either, or Jesus for that matter. Never was. Never should be.

I will agree that there is and has been a moral decline here. But to lay that decline at the feet of those that do not follow Christianity is a wholly delusional act.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Yeah, the best thing for a child to see is there dad sticking in there other dad's ass. :roll:

Only slightly more emotionally scarring that seeing mommy and daddy doing it, but still way less than seeing grandma and grandpa doing it. :ror:


It is, by the way, unconstitutional to deny two people marriage as a civil or legal union. Whether or not is goes against your religious values plays no part other than a personal disagreement.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

That is lame and I should'nt have to pay for any of someone elses screwups, of course that would mean they would have to be accountable for themselves , Obummer would have non of that.

It is lame, and no you shouldn't. Just as you shouldn't have had to pay for Wall Streets screw ups. But you did. One is no better than the other.

Who should say whether they earned it fairly or not, it's there money.

If I trick you out of your savings and investments, should I not be hunted down and punished? Or is it all good and fair and you were just too stupid to see what I was doing? It was your money, and I got it from you, so now its mine.

 

[CREEPERBOB]

Yeah, America is in decline, and this thread gives most of the obvious reasons "thumbsup".

United we stand, divided we fall, and it is very apparent that most of the selfishness and entitelment mentality will continue to flurish and destroy what was originally intended to be a free and prosperous nation.
Righteousness has been replaced self righteousness. and when the wealthy get brought down by the worthless what will be left?
The great depression will be looked back at as not such a bad time as what we are headed for.


Christianity is about accountability, I would rather lean towards these principals than the ones that are being glorified today.