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Rules for 2015

TURTLE

Gettin’ back on the horse
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Scale Crawling:

We will be using SORRCA rules for this event, however we do have a couple modifications and clarifications that work best for our terrain and usage.

- No rig sharing between drivers
- The same rig can be used in different classes, but it must fit all rules per SORRCA guidelines for that class.
- DNF will be 50 points
- DNS will be 60 points
- 6 minute courses
- No top 5 finals courses
- No hand winching
- Winching off fixed objects or vehicles only.
- No holding or touching winch point while winching.
- A vehicle being winched off can be held in place.
- You will be allowed to hold your vehicle while pulling out your winch, but you must announce "winching" you can then hold your vehicle until you hook your winch up to the winch object. Once the line is taught, you must release your vehicle. Failure to follow this rule will result in a Reposition.

TTC Rules:
TTC rules:

* Vehicles must follow SORCCA Class 3 specifications.

*The drivers for each course will receive points for how far they travel or how fast they finished. The fastest time always wins in the TTC. After that it depends on how far you traveled on the course. The competitor that finishes first or travels the farthest will receive 14 points down to the last place competitor that will receive 1 point.

*Hitting a gate will add 1 minute to your time.

*Hitting a boundary will stop your run. You will be marked out at the point that you touched the boundary.

*You must winch off of natural objects or spikes that are placed on course. You may use a pull pal that you carry on your rig. No winching off other rigs, shoelaces etc. No hand of God rollovers, you must right your rig with a winch......no exceptions.

*You may only change batteries between courses and they must be hidden. No other changes can be made on a vehicle. If a vehicle dies on course you are done and will be marked at that point. You may fix it between courses but when it is your turn to run you have 1 minute from the time your name is called before you are disqualified for that course. You may replace parts that break or quit working, but no other changes may be made.

*The Tank Trap will receive double points.

Scale point bonuses:

Minimum of -20 scale points to compete

You will receive 1 bonus point for every -10 scale points you have above -20 (up to a max of -50).

1 bonus point for a scale looking driver

The courses will include:

1. Frame Twister


A winding course of rocks and holes with a water hole at the end with logs.

2. Obstacle Course

A criss-crossing array of hill climbs, off camber rutted trails, etc. Very fast and challenging.

3. Hill Climb

Multiple ups and downs with a steep climb at the end.

4. Mini Rubicon

A 100+ foot long rock crawling course that will test your pro comp skills.

5. Truck Pull


A 30 foot flat dirt pull with a truck pulling sled.

6. Mud Bog

An long straight mud bog that varies from 3" to 8" deep. Bring your 4s pack for this one!

7. Tank Trap


Rocky, gnarly terrain with at least 5 water holes, and other obstacles are in store this year! The Tank Trap and will be very challenging and you will want to be waterproof, it's possible that you won't be able to see the competitors trucks for part of this one! The Tank Trap will receive double points.


U4 Rules:
All Classes

All vehicles must be 4 wheel drive. Motor on axle vehicles are not allowed.
Short course style vehicles are not allowed.

Electric powered vehicles only. Batteries, electronics and connectors cannot be openly visible with the exception that some batteries need to be situated in areas that are visible. We do require that electronics be hidden to the best of the drivers ability.

No comp, short course, Cut n shut, or pin tires allowed.
A tire for U4RC rock racing must be a scale looking tire, either a licensed replica, or a non-licensed replica.

Tech of the cars will occur prior to the race.

Heats will be 6 minutes and mains will be 8 minutes except for the 1.9 class which is 6 minutes across the board due to battery size.

1.9 live axle
1.9” Wheel Diameter

Solid Axles Only

Scale Body

Max Wheelbase: 13”

Max Width: 10”

This class is for 1.9” tire and wheel clad vehicles that are box stock thru highly modified.
Vehicles must have (2) solid axles, and center transmission/transfer case.

Vehicles must have rail style, tube, or a twin vertical plate chassis with a scale lexan body that resembles a 1.9” “scale rig, or tuff truck”.

Wheelbase must not exceed 13”, and track width must not exceed 10”.

1.9 IFS/ independent
1.9” Wheel Diameter

Scale Appearance

Max wheelbase: 13”

Max Width: 11”

This class is for 1.9” tire clad rigs that are highly modified and resemble full size race vehicles. Vehicle must be scale in appearance for rock-race style racing. This class rigs running plastic chassis and/or roll cages. Open to any shaft driven, non-moa axle configuration.

Rail style, tub style, and tube chassis are allowed. Wheelbase must not exceed 13”and track width must not exceed 11”.


2.2 live axle
2.2” Wheel Diameter

Solid Axle only

Scale Appearance

Max Wheelbase: 14.5”

Max Width: 13”

This class is for 2.2” tire clad vehicles that are using solid axles only. Vehicle must be scale in appearance for rock race style racing. Example: Axial Wraith/Ridgecrest. This class includes rigs running plastic and metal chassis, roll cages, and twin vertical plate chassis. Open to any shaft driven, non-moa axle configuration.

Wheelbase must not exceed 14.5” and track width must not exceed 13”. Rear steering is allowed. Must have interior, either stock or other molded drivers can be used, as well as full or partial action figures.

2.2 IFS
2.2” Wheel Diameter
However, short course wheels are allowed, but must use a scale tire. The use of 2.2/3.0 wheels is allowed to allow clearance of knuckles to keep track width in the legal requirements.

IFS and/or IRS

Southern Rock Bouncer, Scale Rock Racer or scale truck Appearance.

Max wheelbase: 14.5”

Max width: 13”

This class is for 2.2” tire clad vehicles that are slightly modified thru heavily modified. Vehicle must be scale in appearance for rock race style racing. This class includes rigs running plastic or metal chassis and/or roll cages. Open to any shaft driven, non-moa axle configuration.

No comp, short course, or pin tires allowed.

Rear steering is allowed. Must have interior being stock, hand fab, or driver inserts.

Heat Format:
We will be doing 1 round of HEATS, LCQ and or B-Main and A-Main. There will typically be 8 cars that make it to the final. If there are not enough cars in a class all cars will transfer to the Main and they will be racing in the Heats for (Main)start positions. Heat Rounds and LCQ/B-Mains will be 6 minutes (subject to change because of weather). On very hot days round times could drop to 6 minutes. A-Mains will be 8 minutes except for 1.9 Competitor(6 Min due to battery size). The break down is as follows:

4-8 cars:

All transfer to the Mains

With 8 cars there could be 1 Heat of 8, and the top 4 transfer and 4 cars left for LCQ and 2 will transfer.

10 cars:

2 heats of 5

3 transfer

LCQ 4 cars

2 transfer

8 car Main


16 Cars: 18 Cars:

2 heats of 8 3 heats of 6

3 transfer 2 transfer

2 LCQ heats 6 2 LCQ heats of 6

1 LCQ transfer 1 transfer per LCQ heat

8 car Main 8 car Main

20 cars:

4 heats of 5

1 transfer

3 LCQ heats of 5,5,6

1 transfer per LCQ heat

7 car Main.

There will typically be a short break between the Heat/LCQ rounds and the start of the Main rounds. Breaks will be announced by the race director as early as possible before the break.

Turn marshals are NOT allowed to perform repairs on rigs during their TM duties. If a rig breaks on course, the TM is to place the rig “off course” and continue on with their Duties. It is the drivers’ responsibility to retrieve and repair the rig.

Taking safety and driver vision into consideration the restricted items on course while performing TM duties are; beverages, food, extra-large hats (straw gardening hats are ok), umbrellas, open toed shoes, ice chests, chairs, etc. Basically TM’s are expected to have both hands free while the race is running.

Drivers are responsible to Turn Marshall the race immediately after their race. It is racers responsibility to find a replacement if they are run in multiple classes. If a driver is unable to perform TM duties they should inform the staff upon registration, so other arrangements can be made.

Rally Rules:
Vehicles:
We will be running Colorado Rally Championship rules.
- We will be running the Group B class only (4wd open class).
- The basic rule set is: must be a standard touring car chassis (190mm or 200mm).
- Some examples are Rally Legends, Tamiya XV-01, Tamiya TB-01, Tamiya DF03RA, Associated TC3, etc.
- Must run a car body, sedan or hatchback.
- no truck or SUV bodies.
- Any electronics can be used.
- Any battery can be used.
- Tires must be within the wheel wells of the body.
- Tires must be 100% covered by the body from the top.
- Tires must be standard 1.9 rally tires.

Track:
- Two cars will race at a time.
- No cutting corners.
- Bumping is allowed, but no intentional hard hits.

- All rules are subject to change to better suite the needs of the event.
 
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Need u4 rules now .....does a yeti fit in 2.2 soild or independent ? ....

Here are the basic class structures. One of the other guys is suppose to get them worked out here soon.

1.9 solid- all solid axles

1.9 independent- one or more independent axles

2.2 solid- all solid axles

2.2 independent- one or more independent axles


There will be a couple dimensional requirements, but thats pretty much it
 
Here are the basic class structures. One of the other guys is suppose to get them worked out here soon.

1.9 solid- all solid axles

1.9 independent- one or more independent axles

2.2 solid- all solid axles

2.2 independent- one or more independent axles


There will be a couple dimensional requirements, but thats pretty much it
I didn't buy a U4 ticket becasue I read that "all electronics must be hidden".
My closest rig to a U4 runs a servo on axle using the old GearHead servo/battery/4 link mount... as well as battery on rear links and could maybe hide some of the electronics with panels... no good I assume?
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I didn't buy a U4 ticket becasue I read that "all electronics must be hidden".
My closest rig to a U4 runs a servo on axle using the old GearHead servo/battery/4 link mount... as well as battery on rear links and could maybe hide some of the electronics with panels... no good I assume?
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Slap a couple panels on it and come rock race with us!
 
Guess I should have read the rules! Stock wraith and twin hammers both have exposed batteries! Yet another rule yo kill the fun!
 
Also are the rules still punishing people for having dig and rear steer for ttc? Ir is it allowed for ttc?

Thanks.
 
I'm sure they'll be close to the national rule set, but on the other hand sorcca doesn't let you hold your truck in place while hooking up your winch like what is becoming standard at national events now! I still think we should have a vote at the drivers meeting so we can see a show of hands of people that can't run a winch! Maybe even add a rule that the wireless or wired winches must be run by the competitor and not his buddy. I saw some lame stuff last year!
 
sorcca doesn't let you hold your truck in place while hooking up your winch like what is becoming standard at national events now!.... I saw some lame stuff last year!
What!?!
Yeah, that's not right... I always hold on the throttle a bit if need be, or keep the wheel cranked or something... never touch the rig other than the actual winch line hook.
 
What!?!
Yeah, that's not right... I always hold on the throttle a bit if need be, or keep the wheel cranked or something... never touch the rig other than the actual winch line hook.

Yeah but this is nationals! Bring your b game!!
 
The scale nats should be a "no touch" format period. This is scale is it not?

Drive smart. Winch yourself right. No need for the "Hands of god"
 
The scale nats should be a "no touch" format period. This is scale is it not?

Drive smart. Winch yourself right. No need for the "Hands of god"

I agree, but this rule isn't necessarily in place for the vehicle, but one we are using for the safety of the driver.

There is a lot going on when on course, a lot of different things to do while trying to pull a winch out. We want the drivers to be able to set down the controller so they can safely steady themselves and not have to worry about the vehicle moving while keeping themselves safe.

We want things to be a scale as possible, but above all we want everyone to have fun and with that comes being safe while we play with our toy cars.
 
Self-Recovery: (+3 pts each)
A self-recovery penalty will be assessed every time the vehicles winch cable is connected/reconnected, or self-recovery tools are positioned/repositioned. If at any time during the process of removing recovery tools and/or winch line from vehicle, the vehicle is moved by any force other than it's winch or its own power, a touch penalty will be assessed and the vehicle repositioned to the last cleared gate (see vehicle touch rule).
All self-recovery tools (sand ladders, etc.) must be carried on the vehicle.



There is nothing within the rule set that says you Can or Can't hold the rigs while pulling the cable out and the vehicle being winched off of can be held while winching.
This is how I have seen it done since WA champs years ago.
Funny thing is (someone correct me if Im wrong) Ty is the first to actually address winching specifics prior to an event.
 
I agree, but this rule isn't necessarily in place for the vehicle, but one we are using for the safety of the driver.

There is a lot going on when on course, a lot of different things to do while trying to pull a winch out. We want the drivers to be able to set down the controller so they can safely steady themselves and not have to worry about the vehicle moving while keeping themselves safe.

We want things to be a scale as possible, but above all we want everyone to have fun and with that comes being safe while we play with our toy cars.



I think my post was misunderstood or maybe I misunderstood. LOL.

I am all for saftey. I watched a large fellow break his leg unfortunately trying to get out of the way of his falling truck.

I meant for roll overs and such. Not for winching or sand ramps etc.... touching in your truck for that is acceptable. Even holding steady the truck to remove an item. I mean they are light, you have to.
 
I'm just going to play along and pretend I didn't see people catching their rigs last year and hooking up the winch. People standing inches from their rig knowing it wasn't going to make ghe climb and when the front end started to lift, they laid it back down with their hand and hooked up a winch! I'm all for safety, but a competition is to test your driving skills. If your worried its going to tip over you have to make a decision to winch before your truck gets unstable. How about they can touch their truck after the judge agrees to the winch. Then if they catch the rig before hand its a normal touch and the rig is repositioned. I volunteered to judge last year and watched people blatenly use the "hold your rig" rule to cheat. Very frustrating as a judge after watching skilled drivers pull cable ahead of time. Also watched people using wireless winches operated by a second person. What part of a skills competition is that! I'm all for safety! Please put your hand on your rig, step on boundaries and gates, catch your expensive rig with hours of love put into it. But this is a competition, take your 10 point penalty like a man, cause you touched your rig! This isn't a club level event! This is nationals! People traveling across the country to compete with the best of the best paying hundreds of dollars to be there to compete with thousands of dollars worth of equipment. Why do we have a national rule set that we all follow at our club level, if we're not going to follow them at nationals!

Last you'll hear from me on the subject! I will have fun regardless, knowing that I followed the sorrca rules!
 
Sorry for the delay guys, but U4 rules have been added. They are pretty simplified, but if there are any questions please let us know.


U4 Rules:
All Classes

All vehicles must be 4 wheel drive. Motor on axle vehicles are not allowed.
Short course style vehicles are not allowed.

Electric powered vehicles only. Batteries, electronics and connectors cannot be openly visible with the exception that some batteries need to be situated in areas that are visible. We do require that electronics be hidden to the best of the drivers ability.

No comp, short course, Cut n shut, or pin tires allowed.
A tire for U4RC rock racing must be a scale looking tire, either a licensed replica, or a non-licensed replica.

Tech of the cars will occur prior to the race.

Heats will be 6 minutes and mains will be 8 minutes except for the 1.9 class which is 6 minutes across the board due to battery size.

1.9 live axle
1.9” Wheel Diameter

Solid Axles Only

Scale Body

Max Wheelbase: 13”

Max Width: 10”

This class is for 1.9” tire and wheel clad vehicles that are box stock thru highly modified.
Vehicles must have (2) solid axles, and center transmission/transfer case.

Vehicles must have rail style, tube, or a twin vertical plate chassis with a scale lexan body that resembles a 1.9” “scale rig, or tuff truck”.

Wheelbase must not exceed 13”, and track width must not exceed 10”.

1.9 IFS/ independent
1.9” Wheel Diameter

Scale Appearance

Max wheelbase: 13”

Max Width: 11”

This class is for 1.9” tire clad rigs that are highly modified and resemble full size race vehicles. Vehicle must be scale in appearance for rock-race style racing. This class rigs running plastic chassis and/or roll cages. Open to any shaft driven, non-moa axle configuration.

Rail style, tub style, and tube chassis are allowed. Wheelbase must not exceed 13”and track width must not exceed 11”.


2.2 live axle
2.2” Wheel Diameter

Solid Axle only

Scale Appearance

Max Wheelbase: 14.5”

Max Width: 13”

This class is for 2.2” tire clad vehicles that are using solid axles only. Vehicle must be scale in appearance for rock race style racing. Example: Axial Wraith/Ridgecrest. This class includes rigs running plastic and metal chassis, roll cages, and twin vertical plate chassis. Open to any shaft driven, non-moa axle configuration.

Wheelbase must not exceed 14.5” and track width must not exceed 13”. Rear steering is allowed. Must have interior, either stock or other molded drivers can be used, as well as full or partial action figures.

2.2 IFS
2.2” Wheel Diameter
However, short course wheels are allowed, but must use a scale tire. The use of 2.2/3.0 wheels is allowed to allow clearance of knuckles to keep track width in the legal requirements.

IFS and/or IRS

Southern Rock Bouncer, Scale Rock Racer or scale truck Appearance.

Max wheelbase: 14.5”

Max width: 13”

This class is for 2.2” tire clad vehicles that are slightly modified thru heavily modified. Vehicle must be scale in appearance for rock race style racing. This class includes rigs running plastic or metal chassis and/or roll cages. Open to any shaft driven, non-moa axle configuration.

No comp, short course, or pin tires allowed.

Rear steering is allowed. Must have interior being stock, hand fab, or driver inserts.

Heat Format:
We will be doing 1 round of HEATS, LCQ and or B-Main and A-Main. There will typically be 8 cars that make it to the final. If there are not enough cars in a class all cars will transfer to the Main and they will be racing in the Heats for (Main)start positions. Heat Rounds and LCQ/B-Mains will be 6 minutes (subject to change because of weather). On very hot days round times could drop to 6 minutes. A-Mains will be 8 minutes except for 1.9 Competitor(6 Min due to battery size). The break down is as follows:

4-8 cars:

All transfer to the Mains

With 8 cars there could be 1 Heat of 8, and the top 4 transfer and 4 cars left for LCQ and 2 will transfer.

10 cars:

2 heats of 5

3 transfer

LCQ 4 cars

2 transfer

8 car Main


16 Cars: 18 Cars:

2 heats of 8 3 heats of 6

3 transfer 2 transfer

2 LCQ heats 6 2 LCQ heats of 6

1 LCQ transfer 1 transfer per LCQ heat

8 car Main 8 car Main

20 cars:

4 heats of 5

1 transfer

3 LCQ heats of 5,5,6

1 transfer per LCQ heat

7 car Main.

There will typically be a short break between the Heat/LCQ rounds and the start of the Main rounds. Breaks will be announced by the race director as early as possible before the break.

Turn marshals are NOT allowed to perform repairs on rigs during their TM duties. If a rig breaks on course, the TM is to place the rig “off course” and continue on with their Duties. It is the drivers’ responsibility to retrieve and repair the rig.

Taking safety and driver vision into consideration the restricted items on course while performing TM duties are; beverages, food, extra-large hats (straw gardening hats are ok), umbrellas, open toed shoes, ice chests, chairs, etc. Basically TM’s are expected to have both hands free while the race is running.

Drivers are responsible to Turn Marshall the race immediately after their race. It is racers responsibility to find a replacement if they are run in multiple classes. If a driver is unable to perform TM duties they should inform the staff upon registration, so other arrangements can be made.
 
The only way to stop some of the wrongful doing is the judges to say something.....
At the same time, the new guys are going to keep coming to these events - Which is a great thing. With RC4WD hosting more, and Champs traveling more and more, we are only going to see more RTRs and box stock rigs on the rocks.

As a judge mark the Touch, teach the driver, and move on. I know Ty has already started telling the judges the same.
 
Well I am a judge this year. So i got my eye on you two! LOL

If the truck is falling and a guy catches it it's 10points. If he quickly grabs his winch while falling and uses his winch also its 13 points.

Unless the event organizers say differently.
 
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