Do you believe in God,Heaven or Hell?

[ThatJeeper2017]

Get it right! Virtually all of modern science? I think not. There are selective things that our beliefs contradict like the Big Bang, and PHYSICAL evolution not MENTAL evolution.


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[Duuuuuuuude]

There are selective things that our beliefs contradict like the Big Bang...

Genesis does not get into the finer points of the creation of the Universe. How do you know that God didn't use a singularity to get it started?


If it could be definitely determined that the chicken came before the egg, but the Bible stated that it was the egg that came first, how would that diminish your faith to such a degree that you could no longer believe?

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Hey, are you guys flat-Earthers too?

 

[DavidH]

Get it right! Virtually all of modern science? I think not.

I am working from my understanding of your beliefs as you have described them so far, in this thread. Or, from my descriptions that you have not corrected.

While an evolutionary biologist need not bother with primordial nucleosynthesis, everything is consistent with it from there to the formation of our solar system and planets, through abiogenesis and the current biological sciences. Biology is chemistry, chemistry is physics.

Now, if you want to try to cherry-pick from all of that and say just "this field of study" is wrong and "that field of study" is wrong and think that this somehow leave gaps big enough for the biblical age of the universe, the literal Adam and Eve story, and the noahic flood story, you simply come across as lacking the knowledge in how science works.

There are selective things that our beliefs

Exactly for whom do you speak? How do you know what others believe?

There are Christians that fully accept modern science, such as Francis Collins, but I did not see you address this earlier when his name came up. He's the director of the Humane Genome Project. Do you think he has got the science wrong? That is a big conspiracy?

contradict like the Big Bang, and PHYSICAL evolution not MENTAL evolution.

MENTAL evolution? Perhaps you could do us the courtesy of explaining how physical and mental evolution differs - in your own words, of course - and provide some scientific citations for further support. "thumbsup"

 

[DavidH]

Hey, are you guys flat-Earthers too?

 

[lunatick]

Don,t know how widespread it has been in America
But in Australia , the amount of priests , clergy and archbishops that have either sexualy abused or covered up these acts is disgraceful

If there really is a GOD then what the hell was he ( or her ) doing while all this was going on

 

[ThatJeeper2017]

Genesis does not get into the finer points of the creation of the Universe. How do you know that God didn't use a singularity to get it started?


If it could be definitely determined that the chicken came before the egg, but the Bible stated that it was the egg that came first, how would that diminish your faith to such a degree that you could no longer believe?

The Big Bang would be more believable if it had been started by a being or thing. And if the chicken came before the egg, it is the same as the egg before the chicken because something created the chicken to lay the egg, and the egg hatched to create the chicken.


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[Duuuuuuuude]

The Big Bang would be more believable if it had been started by a being or thing. And if the chicken came before the egg, it is the same as the egg before the chicken because something created the chicken to lay the egg, and the egg hatched to create the chicken.


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That's the thing, how the singularity happened is still a mystery.

You missed or are avoiding the point about the chicken and the egg. It's not about who created what when, it's about favoring scripture over known facts.

 

[borock]

Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17

 

[Frank211]

It a tortoise actually ! Lol
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Q63IztkvP2iFoQEv2 EDIT... First pic didn't upload

 

[DavidH]

The Big Bang would be more believable if it had been started by a being or thing.

Scientific theories are not like religions, crafted to appeal to our base desires, biases, and prejudices. Scientific theories have to conform to observation, facts and evidence, and scientific methodology. Scientific theories that that do not conform to observation, facts and evidence are falsified, and either modified or discarded.

Is it even possible for you to consider that your religious beliefs may not conform with reality?

And if the chicken came before the egg, it is the same as the egg before the chicken because something created the chicken to lay the egg, and the egg hatched to create the chicken.

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[DavidH]

It a tortoise actually ! Lol
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Q63IztkvP2iFoQEv2

It's turtles all the way down...

 

[Rotare]

Don,t know how widespread it has been in America
But in Australia , the amount of priests , clergy and archbishops that have either sexualy abused or covered up these acts is disgraceful

Even the highest Cardinal Archbishop in Australia is in the process of defending himself from multiple allegations of sexual abuse and misconduct within the church over decades...

The hypocrisy and double standards of religion. Just another reason it's a crock.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Even the highest Cardinal Archbishop in Australia is in the process of defending himself from multiple allegations of sexual abuse and misconduct within the church over decades...

The hypocrisy and double standards of religion. Just another reason it's a crock.

That's what happens when you try to suppress basic human instinct.

 

[DavidH]

Don,t know how widespread it has been in America
But in Australia , the amount of priests , clergy and archbishops that have either sexualy abused or covered up these acts is disgraceful

If there really is a GOD then what the hell was he ( or her ) doing while all this was going on

If their god does exist, it continues to stand idly by while all of that happens.

While this does not necessarily mean that their god does not exist - their god may be an 'evil' god - it does make their claims of their religion being a foundation of morality and justice laughable.

 

[Rotare]

If their god does exist, it continues to stand idly by while all of that happens.

While this does not necessarily mean that their god does not exist - their god may be an 'evil' god - it does make their claims of their religion being a foundation of morality and justice laughable.

I'm sure the religious zealots will say that it's all just part of the bigger plan of god. You know the one - where the devil continually offers sinful temptations to test a persons faith, then after said person realises their wicked ways they pray for forgiveness, repent their sins and all is good again to get themselves back on the bench for the "G" team.

But for everyone else not on team "G", they'll burn in hell for eternity for doing the same. Sounds fair and plausible....

 

[DavidH]

 

[lunatick]

That's what happens when you try to suppress basic human instinct.

Basic human instinct IS NOT MOLESTING CHILDREN

 

[travis c.]

How do you get a Nun pregnant?


























Tell the Priest she's an altar boy.

 

[StomperCrawler]

Perhaps you are unclear on the concept.

You: I can jump over this fence! Everyone can!
Me: I can't, but let's see you do it, or concede that you cannot.
You: Oh I really could, but I like it too much on this side of the fence to even attempt it.

:lmao:

With that, you have conceded.


Clearly, that fancy mind-reading hat of yours needs a tune up.

Is that the only shirt you own?


I cannot sincerely 'pray for grace' any more than I can write a sincere letter to Santa.

How about you? Have you sent your letter to Santa yet? Get it in before the rush. Or do you not want free stuff?

...by this 'loving' god of yours...

A choice that you yourself cannot make, correct?

Circular reasoning again.

If I can't see evidence for gods until I believe in gods, how can I sincerely ask for a god's help in seeing it? Do you really not give a **** about anyone else's point of view?

Would your worldview collapse if you were to abandon circular reasoning?

When I look outside, I see evidence that contradicts virtually all of the Christian claims that involve anthropology, archeology, astronomy, astrophysics, biology, evolution, genetics, and physics. My worldview does not require virtually all of modern science to be wildly inaccurate.

Perhaps you are the one that needs to loosen the straps a bit, let the blood circulate, breathe some fresh air, and peek around your bible to see and address what others are actually saying, rather than to continue blindly preaching.

As I have said already in this thread, what I seek is an accurate description of reality. You have done nothing to address this other than to declare yourself right and anyone that disagrees with you, wrong.

I think you should consider Blaise Pascal's famous wager and get yourself some aspirational faith. Maybe then you could get past this "I can't choose to believe" bologna.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/opinion/belief-aspirational-faith.html