"Like" Button

[1BadJeepBruiser]

I don't really care, a IDGAF kind of guy, but removing the 'like' feature will do nothing to improve the forum. The most popular forums on the internet ALL have them, the ones that don't are missing it. So whomever made the call is simply unformed.


Which forums? Because I know SBG doesnt have it



And the success of or participation in a forum doesn't have to do with a like button, or really any particular feature or function, and much to do with the topics that the members have interest in. Creating 'stuff' is not what drives people.


Correct, it does have to do with topics that have interest, I just think there will be more interest generated with a discussion with in a thread rather then 10 likes



Additionally, there's nothing 'wrong' with this forum, it's well run (reads: loosely) and there are plenty of participants based on the subject matter. When a forum starts interjecting into everything using a heavy handed moderation then people leave. That's just the way it is.



Appreciate the feedback



I have also found that forums are not losing favor, but people come and go in a particular interest. The rise and fall of other social media is independent of forums activity. It's a different platform, so trying to somehow compete would be a folly.


With nearly 25 years in the hobby I can attest to seeing many people come and go, and come back, and go again. Its the nature of the hobby.



I will though kindly disagree that social media doesnt have an impact

PM on Tapatalk still not working for me and its sluggish as hell refreshing. I can PM on Chrome for Android though.

Edit,
All good now!

:mrgreen:

Never cared for or against the like button, wont be a determining factor for me.

I'm glad to see someone stepping up and being proactive about the longevity of the forum. I won't be short sighted enough to believe I know the correct way to govern things, and I hope nobody else here is either. Should we have a set of rules and a group of dedicated folks to enforce them? Absolutely so. Without such, it would devolve into chaos. That being said, every rule has a grey area that MOST rational people can differentiate. It's someone with small man syndrome who can't ever see any rational reason for making an exception. Those exceptions CAN NOT and SHOULD NOT be made based on personal feeling however. Its really not hard.

I don't know THX, until now I wasn't aware it was he/she that was an issue, but I will say I believe our moderators going forward should be active members of our forum. I can't honestly say I've seen a RECENT tech or any other post by THX. That's not a knock on the person, just an observation. A moderator should be an active person in the current, regardless of activity and contribution in the past.

Just one mans opinion, take it with a grain of salt as such.

appreciate the feedback

 

[dr frankenstyle]

Replies are needed, but where we disagree is the implication the Like button has on those. Perhaps back when the Like button was just introduced and people were adjusting how they interact on this forum it made an impact. But now with it being established people will behave how they behave. Based off my own experience since last night, there’s been a handful of posts that I would have liked but still have not replied on today because I have nothing to say. I just liked the post. Beyond that, there’s the whole quality over quantity. Getting 3 more people to post “cool truck bro” in a thread isn’t increasing any kind of valuable traffic.

Regarding the data, there’s no control in place. This thread alone could blow up that data as if it wasn’t here we wouldn’t be debating and running up post counts. Let’s say you disabled likes two weeks ago and then the traxxas blazer came out. We all posted a lot there about that and the sport kit. Would have had nothing to do with disabling the likes.

You may have gotten more useful info by just asking for people’s intentions. A poll with “would removing the like button make you post more?” And if the response to that poll wasn’t an overwhelming majority then I think you’d have your answer.

I appreciate you considering these thoughts and I’m not trying to be a pain. I work 15+ hour days regularly and this place keeps me sane, I need this forum to thrive.

"Like" "thumbsup"

8) jim

 

[Inspector86]

Can you elaborate on this? If the like button is enabled, and there are only 20 new posts, and with it disabled there are 40 new posts, inst that data? Am I wrong that thinking forums require participation in the form of threads/posts and then replies? I understand the old days arent coming back, thats a given, what I am trying to accomplish is a new set of days which are productive. In the old days, we didnt have a like button and we had threads with replies, I am under the impression and belief that replies are needed to carry forward. Again, just my opinion.



Your feedback and constructive criticism is appreciated either way, and I will be making sure to have Badger review this thread, as ultimately, he has the final say.

Here's the thing, an extra 20 posts in a thread consisting simply of "Cool" or "Nice" or "love it" or whatever, are not what I would consider quality posts and do nothing but boost the forum's total post count while at the same time dilute the information that is in a particular thread. But hey maybe that is the entire point, to simply boost the forums post count and make it look busy. I have to abide by the mods decision on the like button but I personally thought it was a good thing. You could support a post without posting worthless chaff in a thread. There are a couple of other forums I frequent that I have requested the owner consider turning on likes because I like that feature here.


I occasionally look at groups on FB and the others and to be honest I can't stand them for very long because the members are so clueless that I just have to leave. The members here on RCC are experienced and dedicated to RC and willing to help with accurate information, I just don't see that on the FB or worse they give each other wrong advice. It seems when a noob gets a new RC their first stop is FB and the result is the clueless helping the clueless. I link to specific technical threads here on RCC to answer some questions on FB from time to time with the idea to try to steer people this direction while also posting accurate information. I have not been banned from a group yet so I will continue to do that. I would urge RCC members to do the same and see if we can generate more traffic that way. Oh, and once a new member posts a question don't bash them for asking what may be a simple question everyone here knows the answer to, point them to a relivent thread and leave it at that.

 

[Browneye]

:mrgreen:

Which forums? Because I know SBG doesnt have it

appreciate the feedback

I don't know what 'SBG' is.



I'm a old guy with a bazillion hobbies - and I find forums are invaluable for gleaning information on any topic - this one included, it makes me the go-to guy for our group of crawler buddies. Consequently I visit dozens or even hundreds of forums - the best ones have a 'like' feature so you can acknowledge a post without posting. Our photo threads here are an example - the thread title says 'no talking' which is great - it's picture thread, so being able to LIKE them is a way to acknowledge them without cluttering up the thread.



Deleting the 'like' feature is a case of mistaken thinking. Oh well. If users don't want to use it they don't have to, and for the ones that do they could. I see it as a lost feature for the site.

Here's the thing, an extra 20 posts in a thread consisting simply of "Cool" or "Nice" or "love it" or whatever, are not what I would consider quality posts and do nothing but boost the forum's total post count while at the sametime dilute the information that is in a particular thread. But hey maybe that is the entire point, to boost the forums post count and make it look busy. I will have to abide by the mods decision on the like button but I personally thought it was a good thing. You could support a post without posting wortless chaff in a thread. There are a couple of othere formus I frequent that I have requested the owner to consider turning on likes becasue I like that feature here.


I occasionally look at groups on FB and the others and to be honest I can't stand them for very long becasue the members are so clueless that I just have to leave. The members here on RCC are experienced and dedicated to RC and willing to help with accurate information, I just don't see that on the FB or worse they give each other wrong advice. It seems when a noob gets a new RC their first stop is FB and the result is the clueless helping the clueless. I link to specific threads here on RCC to answer some questions on FB from time to time with the idea to try to steer people this direction while also posting accurate information. I have not been banned from a group yet so I will continue to do that. I would urge RCC members to do the same and see if we can generate more traffic here. Oh, and once a new member posts a question don't bash them for asking what may be a simple question everyone here knows the answer to, point them to a relivent thread and leave it at that.

^^This. But I can't 'LIKE' it. LOL
I'm one that LOATHES Facebook. It just makes me growl. But all the local crawling events and club activities are there, so I'm forced to use it to see what's going on. I surely wish they would use a forum like this for that activity. FB just completely sucks, it's all fake BS.


Next they'll decide we don't need a 'quote' feature or emoticons. Dear god.

 

[Inspector86]

I don't know what 'SBG' is.

Scale Builders Guild: Another great RC site with a slightly different focus!

https://scalebuildersguild.com/

 

[WHITE-TRASH]

So much whining and gnashing of teeth over the
(possibly temporary) loss of the like button. :lol:


Liking something is not communicating anything. The point of posting isn't to say "nice truck" or some other silly thing it is to communicate ideas or tech etc. If you want to encourage what someone is doing tell them something encouraging about it. A click on the like button doesn't point out anything. It is even more inane than saying "nice truck" since it is easier and doesn't communicate anything specific.

 

[Alexander_0_1]

There was a guy on here recently that took the time to rearrange his threads so that all the tech, and pics showed up before all the nice truck? where did you get those? Sweet build? Comments. I really appreciated that, cause sometimes I run out of GB at the house, and waiting that extra few second for a page to load just to find that most of it is "well wishers", yes sometimes there are 1.5 pages of "nice truck bro". After a few mins of this I’ve lost interest in reading for a bit, then I quickly open up YouTube, cause Harley, bender customs, and revas concepts are always a solid "go to" when I bored.

The "like" button won’t be missed by me, it’s kinda how I poke that big ol’ Grizzly bear WHITE-TRASH anyway, you know cause that’s how I am; poke the bear and then scram.

 

[Browneye]

So much whining and gnashing of teeth over the
(possibly temporary) loss of the like button. :lol:


Liking something is not communicating anything. The point of posting isn't to say "nice truck" or some other silly thing it is to communicate ideas or tech etc. If you want to encourage what someone is doing tell them something encouraging about it. A click on the like button doesn't point out anything. It is even more inane than saying "nice truck" since it is easier and doesn't communicate anything specific.

Not true. Evidently there are different ways of looking at it. A 'like' is definitely an acknowledgment, whatever that may be. It doesn't NEED to be specific.



And you seem to be the first one to want to limit free speech. Hmmm...what does that tell you? :mrgreen:

 

[WHITE-TRASH]

Not true. Evidently there are different ways of looking at it. A 'like' is definitely an acknowledgment, whatever that may be. It doesn't NEED to be specific.



And you seem to be the first one to want to limit free speech. Hmmm...what does that tell you? :mrgreen:

How is the like button an exercise in free speech? I'm a proponent for all speech whether I like it or not. The like button doesn't say anything but that you like something, anything in the post.

 

[kincer]

I feel there are times where the like button was useful, pic threads for one and when someone made a funny comment but other than that comments on a person's build are more constructive, this is just my opinion, and you all know about opinions they're just like a-holes everyone has one. Personally for me I don't mind skimming through all the quick comments to get to the good stuff, others don't, no matter what is done you're not gonna make everyone happy.

 

[Browneye]

How is the like button an exercise in free speech? I'm a proponent for all speech whether I like it or not. The like button doesn't say anything but that you like something, anything in the post.

Not the 'like' button, this:
"So much whining and gnashing of teeth over the
(possibly temporary) loss of the like button. :ror:

I get it, I don't like whining either. But this is a thread tool that has been eliminated and people are commenting on it, and basically what you're saying, if I'm not mistaken, is STFU. If that's not saying people shouldn't comment I don't know what is. But you make these comments often enough for it to stand out, like somehow people should not express their thoughts, when we all thought that was what the forum was FOR. Just sayin'.

We have another member that wants to 'enforce rules' just because they're rules. In my world, rules were made to be broken. I grew up in an era of 'screw the man'. Rebellion, counter-culture, it was all a huge thing. We grew our hair out, went on strike, and listened to rock and roll. LOL Whatever they were telling us we HAD to do, or SHOULD do, we were going to do the opposite. :mrgreen:

We have a right to FREE SPEECH. Please don't infringe on that right. You, of all people here, I KNOW gets this. "thumbsup"
And why in my opinion, too much moderation infringes on that right. Sure, it's not a free or public forum - somebody owns it and gets to make the rules. But when they go down this path it leads to rebellion, and the ranks thin out - the exact opposite of what it would appear they are trying to do.

 

[Jim85IROC]

I'm somewhat indifferent on the loss of the "like" button. I liked having it, but I've been on forums for over 20 years, and none of them had a "like" button until recently. We all did just fine without them.

Historically, forums provided 2 very important things: Social interaction, and a repository for information & ideas that was easily accessed. The former has been largely decimated because of Facebook, but the latter is one area where forums have a MAJOR advantage. I think it's a losing battle to try and boost interaction by trying to appeal to people's social tendencies. I think that ship already sailed. It's my opinion that the forum can become most healthy by playing to its strengths. Promote build threads and technical exchange.

Here are a couple ideas:
1. Add "build of the month" contests where a different theme or category is chosen each month. 10 contestants are chosen on a first-come first-served basis, then they post pics of their rig along with a link to their build thread on RCC. Members vote on it, and the winner gets a "great job" and a pic of his rig on the front of the forum for the month. This has been very popular over at rc10talk and I think it would be popular here. God knows there's an almost endless supply of high quality builds that could be highlighted this way.

2. Encourage vendors to do product announcements & giveaways here. Every time a vendor does a giveaway, the thread gets huge.

3. Start a "news" section of the forum that's devoted just to emerging product announcements & vendor news. This can even be bot-populated like it was on Ultimate RC. It creates a concise location for this sort of thing, which can help stimulate discussion.

4. Bite the bullet and create an RCC Facebook page, instagram page, & twitter account. There's a shitload of people on FB crawler groups who don't know about and/or don't use RCC. It's time to get some of them to come here, and FB is the way to do it. ESPECIALLY if they realize that RCC offers something that FB doesn't (As I mentioned above). Other forums are successful in doing this. There can be all of the non-tech/social conversation & pic whoring imaginable on the FB group to build membership, and then certain items such as the build of the month winner mentioned above, tech nuggets, and selected vendor posts that can be brought over to FB with links back here. There's software out there that will automatically push forum content to those platforms. When I ran an IROC-Z forum my admin had some sort of script set up that pushed some of our forum highlights to those platforms and it brought people to the forum. Even if it was used JUST for Build Of The Month and Vendor giveaway threads, it would still be useful for getting new people here.

 

[4wd4ws]

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[Browneye]

I'm somewhat indifferent on the loss of the "like" button. I liked having it, but I've been on forums for over 20 years, and none of them had a "like" button until recently. We all did just fine without them.

Historically, forums provided 2 very important things: Social interaction, and a repository for information & ideas that was easily accessed. The former has been largely decimated because of Facebook, but the latter is one area where forums have a MAJOR advantage. I think it's a losing battle to try and boost interaction by trying to appeal to people's social tendencies. I think that ship already sailed. It's my opinion that the forum can become most healthy by playing to its strengths. Promote build threads and technical exchange.

Here are a couple ideas:
1. Add "build of the month" contests where a different theme or category is chosen each month. 10 contestants are chosen on a first-come first-served basis, then they post pics of their rig along with a link to their build thread on RCC. Members vote on it, and the winner gets a "great job" and a pic of his rig on the front of the forum for the month. This has been very popular over at rc10talk and I think it would be popular here. God knows there's an almost endless supply of high quality builds that could be highlighted this way.

2. Encourage vendors to do product announcements & giveaways here.

3. Start a "news" section of the forum that's devoted just to emerging product announcements & vendor news. This can even be bot-populated like it was on Ultimate RC. It creates a concise location for this sort of thing, which can help stimulate discussion.

4. Bite the bullet and create an RCC Facebook page, instagram page, & twitter account. There's a shitload of people on FB crawler groups who don't know about and/or don't use RCC. It's time to get some of them to come here, and FB is the way to do it. ESPECIALLY if they realize that RCC offers something that FB doesn't (As I mentioned above). Other forums are successful in doing this. There can be all of the non-tech/social conversation & pic whoring imaginable on the FB group to build membership, and then certain items such as the build of the month winner mentioned above, tech nuggets, and selected vendor posts that can be brought over to FB with links back here. There's software out there that will automatically push forum content to those platforms. When I ran an IROC-Z forum my admin had some sort of script set up that pushed some of our forum highlights to those platforms and it brought people to the forum.

Agreed. I would have 'liked' it, but that's not an option. LOL
So...Except for your first bullet point - build of the month. I don't come here to compete. It's nice to see the talents and creativity, but this just serves to make it competitive, and I think that is counter-productive. IMO we want to encourage the new comers and beginners just as much as the hardcore veterans of the hobby.

And really, I thought they more or less already did that with the featured thread-links at the bottom of the page.

Otherwise... "thumbsup"

 

[Jim85IROC]

I wouldn't call it a "competition". It's more of just a show & tell. The voting is more or less just a way of getting forum members to interact, and it decides whose vehicle gets plastered on the front of the forum. All of the contestants are using vehicles that are already built and completed, so it's not any kind of active competition. It gets forum members to participate in the forum, it exposes them to outstanding vehicles & corresponding build threads that they may not have seen because it wasn't in the corner of the forum they hung out in, and it builds interest and enthusiasm. I'm not sure if non members can see them, but head over to www.rc10talk.com to get a feel for what I'm talking about. It's a pretty fantastic thing they do.

 

[smog]

I don't know what 'SBG' is.



I'm a old guy with a bazillion hobbies - and I find forums are invaluable for gleaning information on any topic - this one included, it makes me the go-to guy for our group of crawler buddies. Consequently I visit dozens or even hundreds of forums - the best ones have a 'like' feature so you can acknowledge a post without posting. Our photo threads here are an example - the thread title says 'no talking' which is great - it's picture thread, so being able to LIKE them is a way to acknowledge them without cluttering up the thread.



Deleting the 'like' feature is a case of mistaken thinking. Oh well. If users don't want to use it they don't have to, and for the ones that do they could. I see it as a lost feature for the


Next they'll decide we don't need a 'quote' feature or emoticons. Dear god.

I appreciate your reasoning here. Features removed are features removed. I would prefer to see features added as opposed to removed. I, like many others on here use 'like' as an acknowledgement that a post or thread is appreciated. I comment where and when I have something to say or if I feel like commenting. I will not post more frequently because the like button is gone. I just won't. It's that simple. I personally think the post counter is less useful than the like button. I am here to communicate not count my posts. The like button had clearly become a form of communication for people. A non verbal one that those who used it understood. It was something that those who were tuned in to could read, figuratively speaking. So yeah, a feature has been removed. Those who are currently pulling the levers do not have a healthy relationship to the 'like' feature. As a result they clearly they feel it is problematic. Now none of us get to use it. They seem more interested in how it is over on SBG and want to use their model. SBG isnt exactly bustling, if it even matters. My sense is that those pulling the levers are simply resurrected members from a time gone by. They are here to straighten us up because they feel we have been led astray...lol . The whole thing is a bit laughable in my opinion.

For sure, give us some swag and bring some vendors back. This adds to the site. Do it up! I will even buy a shirt if it isn't black.

I have been a paying member on here for a few years and have really enjoyed this place. There is a cool group of guys on here I enjoy chatting with and sharing some project work. My membership is up for renewal shortly. This is the first time I have contemplated not renewing. I guess we will see how things play out.

 

[dr frankenstyle]

I haven't been here that long, but in my limited experience this is about the best forum in the hobby. Is it perfect? well, no, and I appreciate and applaud the effort of Mike and everyone else to make it even better. It just seems to me that, in an effort to increase membership and participation, removing an avenue of interaction is kind of ... counter-productive.
It's obvious from this and similar threads that the "like" button has mixed popularity. But I also can't help but notice the irony that the "gavel-holder" on the issue seems to be a non-fan. And while steering this toward tomorrow's forum .... he seems to wax nostalgic for yesterday's.
Just an empty-headed opinion. :roll:


8) jim

 

[WHITE-TRASH]

Not the 'like' button, this:
"So much whining and gnashing of teeth over the
(possibly temporary) loss of the like button. :ror:

I get it, I don't like whining either. But this is a thread tool that has been eliminated and people are commenting on it, and basically what you're saying, if I'm not mistaken, is STFU. If that's not saying people shouldn't comment I don't know what is. But you make these comments often enough for it to stand out, like somehow people should not express their thoughts, when we all thought that was what the forum was FOR. Just sayin'.

We have another member that wants to 'enforce rules' just because they're rules. In my world, rules were made to be broken. I grew up in an era of 'screw the man'. Rebellion, counter-culture, it was all a huge thing. We grew our hair out, went on strike, and listened to rock and roll. LOL Whatever they were telling us we HAD to do, or SHOULD do, we were going to do the opposite. :mrgreen:

We have a right to FREE SPEECH. Please don't infringe on that right. You, of all people here, I KNOW gets this. "thumbsup"
And why in my opinion, too much moderation infringes on that right. Sure, it's not a free or public forum - somebody owns it and gets to make the rules. But when they go down this path it leads to rebellion, and the ranks thin out - the exact opposite of what it would appear they are trying to do.

You're thinking too hard. If I wanted people to shut the fawk up I'd say it. All my comment meant is exactly what it said, people are freaking out about something that very well likelgcould return.

 

[dr frankenstyle]

I appreciate your reasoning here. Features removed are features removed. I would prefer to see features added as opposed to removed. I, like many others on here use 'like' as an acknowledgement that a post or thread is appreciated. I comment where and when I have something to say or if I feel like commenting. I will not post more frequently because the like button is gone. I just won't. It's that simple. I personally think the post counter is less useful than the like button. I am here to communicate not count my posts. The like button had clearly become a form of communication for people. A non verbal one that to those who used it regularly had a type of relationship with. It was something that those who were tuned in to could read, figuratively speaking. So yeah, a feature has been removed. Those who are currently pulling the levers do not have a healthy relationship to the 'like' feature. As a result they clearly they feel it is problematic. Now none of us get to use it. They seem more interested in how it is over on SBG and want to use their model. SBG isnt exactly bustling, if it even matters. My sense is that those pulling the levers are somply resurrected members from a time gone by. They are here to straighten us up because they feel we have been led astray...lol . The whole thing is a bit laughable in my opinion.

For sure, give us some swag and bring some vendors back. This adds to the site. Do it up! I will even buy a shirt if it isn't black.

I have been a paying member on here for a few years and have really enjoyed this place. There is a cool group of guys on here I enjoy chatting with and sharing some project work. My membership is up for renewal shortly. This is the first time I have contemplated not renewing. I guess we will see how things play out.

"Like" "thumbsup"


8) jim

 

[svt923]

4. Bite the bullet and create an RCC Facebook page, instagram page, & twitter account. There's a shitload of people on FB crawler groups who don't know about and/or don't use RCC. It's time to get some of them to come here, and FB is the way to do it. ESPECIALLY if they realize that RCC offers something that FB doesn't (As I mentioned above). Other forums are successful in doing this. There can be all of the non-tech/social conversation & pic whoring imaginable on the FB group to build membership, and then certain items such as the build of the month winner mentioned above, tech nuggets, and selected vendor posts that can be brought over to FB with links back here. There's software out there that will automatically push forum content to those platforms. When I ran an IROC-Z forum my admin had some sort of script set up that pushed some of our forum highlights to those platforms and it brought people to the forum. Even if it was used JUST for Build Of The Month and Vendor giveaway threads, it would still be useful for getting new people here.

This is definitely something that should be done.

SBG makes posts on FB and Instagram all the time like "check out this awesome truck, see more on the build thread". Super easy and directs people back to the forum.