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2016 wrangler possibilities
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easleycrawler
Rock Crawler
I'm not even a jeep guy, but that really sucks. I don't think it will happen, there is too much money involved for the bolt on aftermarket world for the jeeps.
rangercat23
RCC Addict
1tonscout
Quarry Creeper
I'm not surprised. They keep getting gayer and gayer. I lost hope when they started making jeeps with plastic bumpers and cup holders
offroadace
Rock Crawler
I don't know. Aerodynamics and weight are not going to be deciding factors if I buy another JEEP.
I miss my '92 I6 5spd with 4" lift, and it had center console cup-holders, but after that the next iteration was a poser JEEP.
I miss my '92 I6 5spd with 4" lift, and it had center console cup-holders, but after that the next iteration was a poser JEEP.
I've owned a CJ7, YJ, a new 97 TJ, a new 02 TJ, and now my 09 JKU.
The TJ's were both amazing, would own either one of them again. The JKU now is also a great all around rig and is a realistic DD. I wouldn't own another YJ though, the square headlight days were the dimmest for Jeeps
Drive an '04 TJ with 33's and 4 inches of lift, it truly is a dual purpose vehicle. Just as at home in the creek as it is on the road. It is very disheartening that Jeep is taking the classic off-road feel and function out of there products. Totally disconnecting with there roots.
bigstu
RCC Addict
I really enjoy my 02 TJ and if they go to independent suspension, count me out..
If hey REALLY want to get gas mileage up, why don't they put in a diesel engine.
Also, anyone else remember a time when gas mileage drove innovation in the auto industry.
Same thing that happened in the 70's.. The dark days are coming my friends.
If hey REALLY want to get gas mileage up, why don't they put in a diesel engine.
Also, anyone else remember a time when gas mileage drove innovation in the auto industry.
Same thing that happened in the 70's.. The dark days are coming my friends.
I like my SJs. Guessing they'll never make anything like those again, though... No matter what they call it, the Wagoneer and Cherokee will never live up to what they used to be, IMO.
Then again, My KJ was pretty badass before some drunk a-hole totaled it while I was sleeping, and drove off...
Maybe IFS won't be so bad, if they beef it up, anyway.
Then again, My KJ was pretty badass before some drunk a-hole totaled it while I was sleeping, and drove off...
Maybe IFS won't be so bad, if they beef it up, anyway.
bigstu
RCC Addict
They put a Dana 30 in the front of Jeeps, you really think they will use a beefy IFS?
This is my guess, the CV/Axle system from the Dodge Minivans will end up being retrofitted with a differential from the Dodge light duty trucks and bracketry/frame mods will be used to adapt the systems to a modified ladder frame.
Keeps the costs down and if you already have the replacement parts on dealer shelves, your inventory doesn't go up.
Think I'm wrong? RE-purposing the minivan motor ring a bell?
If you take the IFS off, you are going to end up boxing and strengthening the frame, much like on a Toyota IFS / SFA swap..
No one in their right mind buys a Wrangler for fuel economy. Just another example of the government trying to infringe upon our liberties.
This is my guess, the CV/Axle system from the Dodge Minivans will end up being retrofitted with a differential from the Dodge light duty trucks and bracketry/frame mods will be used to adapt the systems to a modified ladder frame.
Keeps the costs down and if you already have the replacement parts on dealer shelves, your inventory doesn't go up.
Think I'm wrong? RE-purposing the minivan motor ring a bell?
If you take the IFS off, you are going to end up boxing and strengthening the frame, much like on a Toyota IFS / SFA swap..
No one in their right mind buys a Wrangler for fuel economy. Just another example of the government trying to infringe upon our liberties.
Hell, dropping in the Hemi V8 increases fuel economy, yet we still don't have that factory option yet.:roll:
STANG KILLA SS
~THE SCALE SHOP~
saw a meme the other day that said
"Jeep re-releases the Cherokee in front wheel drive and no one bats an eye,
someone starts a wrangler IFS rumor and the internet looses its mind!"
this ones good too:mrgreen:
"Jeep re-releases the Cherokee in front wheel drive and no one bats an eye,
someone starts a wrangler IFS rumor and the internet looses its mind!"
this ones good too:mrgreen:
C*H*U*D
No idea what I'm doing
It's 1986 all over again.
bigstu
RCC Addict
In my opinion the new Cherokee isn't a Cherokee. It just has the name on the side.
And, have you seen any of them in dealerships or on the road yet? No?
That's because they are so bad and have had some many drivetrain problems, they can't get them to pass the assembly tests and are still trying out how to figure out how to assemble them properly..
They are running miles and miles of test cars all over the Auburn Hills, MI. area trying to figure out what is going on with them.
And yes, we haven't seen a IFS Wrangler yet, so this may be a little unwarranted.
When the YJ came out, it was a big deal, but still had the spirit of a wrangler. With the launch of the TJ in 97, the Wrangler was improved again and is one of the most capable multi-purspose vehicles on the road.
When the JKs came out, they refined the rough edges off the TJ and made it a little more soccer mom friendly. But the thing still kept the spirit of the vehicle.
I think the concern lies with the solution to the problem. Need better fuel economy. OK, cheapest option is to make it lighter. HOW, ditch the heavy parts. On a Jeep, the solid axle housings.
We as consumers need to challenge the car companies and the engineers (and I am one so I can talk). Do a better job. Make it work.
Don't loose the spirit of the vehicle because some crap government regulation threatens to kill something we all love..
As some of the guys talked, there are alternatives to make fuel economy happen.
Don't let the bureaucrats and bean counters determine what we will be living with tomorrow.
And we all can remember this one simple truth. If they build something that is crap. We don't have to buy it.
Perfect example is the diesel 3/4 ton truck market. They added tons of emissions stuff on them, locked the computers with shut down and limp mode codes so if you do try to put a programmer on, the ECU freaks out.
The trans control modules delay throttle response and hold the engine back to reduce emissions. And they get WORSE fuel economy than the previous "high pollution" generation.
And to add to it, the price went up on the trucks to an ASTRONOMICAL level. So what is the result, diesel truck sales are down. Sales of 1/2 ton gas trucks are up. Buyers don't want to deal with the B.S.
Same fate for a Wrangler with IFS? Maybe. Only one way to find out.
And, have you seen any of them in dealerships or on the road yet? No?
That's because they are so bad and have had some many drivetrain problems, they can't get them to pass the assembly tests and are still trying out how to figure out how to assemble them properly..
They are running miles and miles of test cars all over the Auburn Hills, MI. area trying to figure out what is going on with them.
And yes, we haven't seen a IFS Wrangler yet, so this may be a little unwarranted.
When the YJ came out, it was a big deal, but still had the spirit of a wrangler. With the launch of the TJ in 97, the Wrangler was improved again and is one of the most capable multi-purspose vehicles on the road.
When the JKs came out, they refined the rough edges off the TJ and made it a little more soccer mom friendly. But the thing still kept the spirit of the vehicle.
I think the concern lies with the solution to the problem. Need better fuel economy. OK, cheapest option is to make it lighter. HOW, ditch the heavy parts. On a Jeep, the solid axle housings.
We as consumers need to challenge the car companies and the engineers (and I am one so I can talk). Do a better job. Make it work.
Don't loose the spirit of the vehicle because some crap government regulation threatens to kill something we all love..
As some of the guys talked, there are alternatives to make fuel economy happen.
Don't let the bureaucrats and bean counters determine what we will be living with tomorrow.
And we all can remember this one simple truth. If they build something that is crap. We don't have to buy it.
Perfect example is the diesel 3/4 ton truck market. They added tons of emissions stuff on them, locked the computers with shut down and limp mode codes so if you do try to put a programmer on, the ECU freaks out.
The trans control modules delay throttle response and hold the engine back to reduce emissions. And they get WORSE fuel economy than the previous "high pollution" generation.
And to add to it, the price went up on the trucks to an ASTRONOMICAL level. So what is the result, diesel truck sales are down. Sales of 1/2 ton gas trucks are up. Buyers don't want to deal with the B.S.
Same fate for a Wrangler with IFS? Maybe. Only one way to find out.
WHITE-TRASH
I wanna be Dave
How is ifs worse than the pile of crap front axle they use now? Even the rubicon "dana 44" is the same piece of shit 30 from the axle tubes out. The new jk is basically an old full sized chevy blazer with a V6. Half ton solid axles, check. Full sized, check. Removable top, check. 99% of them are poseur mobiles driven by morons who hit gravel roads twice a month and brag about their hardcore exploits to those that know nothing. :lol:
BJoe
I wanna be Dave
I think that is the biggest problem, next to the current demographics of who buys what. Instead of buying sedans, wagons, and minivans, people want big bulky look and the "utility" of SUV's, but want them to ride like a car..........while you can get decent room in a car or wagon and get more room and more utility out of a minivan, they can't he seen on a wagon or minivan, so they buy some fat station wagon on a minivan platform that takes sales and engineering dollars from real SUV's. BTW, I have seen a new Cherokee at the dealer I bought my 200 from, and it sold within a week of me seeing it there. Also have seen a different on the road too.
I assume you mean when Toyota changed to IFS?
I guess if Jeep went IFS, the market for SAS would just open up more. What would be nice (but doubt they would), if they did go IFS, make it so that a SFA was a dealer installed option. I know in the 70s a few Datsun dealers were selling "new" trucks that were aftermarket SASed before going on the lot. Not sure how the government restrictions would come into play for the Jeep though.
I'm not a Jeep fan, I respect them for what they are and the fact they are the only one still in their niche, but there are to many people that buy one and think they are now an uber off road god. I loved the FC throw back concept they made, I'd love to have one of those.
bigstu
RCC Addict
How many IFS trucks do you see running 38"+ tires that make it all the way through a trail (and I mean a trail not a gravel road) without breaking something? Or NOT wearing out ball joints, tie-rod ends, and wheel bearings in 5,000 miles? NONE..
The axles under my TJ have more than 30,000 miles on them. EVERY mile with at least 35" tires on them. With a detroit locker in the back, an ARB in the front, and ball joints to boot. And it gets wheeled at least a couple times a year. Still goes down the highway at 70+, straight as an arrow, and does everything I have asked it to do. Find a 4 wheel IFS truck or car that can say that after 30,000 miles of big tires, wheeling, and road service.
And the JK is a full sized blazer with a v-6? Ummmmmm. Did you fall down and bump your head? :lmao:
You do realize blazers were on leaf springs all the way around or torsion front and leaf rears, and came with a V-8, right? And the JK has 4-link suspension with coil springs.. Right?
JKs have more in common with old Broncos than they do Blazers.
And I have a buddy that is building a full size blazer right now. It is a LOT bigger and a LOT heavier than even a 4-door JK ever thought about being..
I will agree, yes, a majority of the Wranglers made will never see hardcore off road trails.
The point to having a vehicle like a Wrangler is you can do anything you want.
If you want a bone stock Jeep, so you have 4wd for the snowy winter roads and a convertible for the summer, you can have it.
If you want to take the EXACT same Wrangler, put a 4" lift and some 35" tires on it and be a mall crawler, you can.
Take the same 4" lift and 35" tires, put some rock sliders and skid plates on it, put a lunchbox locker in the front, and hit the easy to moderate trails in MOAB or rock the trails in Canada, you can....
Or if you want to do like some of us, you can stuff a 60/80 or 60/14b or whatever axle combo, with some air shocks or coil overs, and 40's with the help of a sawzall, and some tube fenders, wheel it on just about any trail in north or south America, you can.
And the best part is you can do most of that hard core fab work / modifications IN YOUR DRIVEWAY OR 2-CAR GARAGE with a welder, a grinder, and a saw to cut metal. And while you are doing it, you LEARN something.
If you want to start with a stock Jeep, that you work in to a mall crawler with a budget lift, while using it as a daily driver, you can. Then if you buy a new vehicle and want to use your Jeep as a wheeler, you can buy the upgrade parts to lift it higher, and put bigger tires on it, without going broke and doing it all over again. And when you break that POS Dana 44 and decide I want to go big, you can sell the other parts and not break the bank when you decide it is time for those 60's or the 60/14b axles.
How many IFS vehicles can you say that about?
Moving the Jeep to IFS eliminates the simplicity and flexability of the vehicle. The rugged simplicity that helped us out all the way back to WWII will be gone.
And have you priced out a lift for a IFS truck, versus, a solid axle truck? Want to hear you wallet scream. Look it up. Even the cheap IFS lifts are expensive when compared to a Jeep lift.
Not to mention when you lift an IFS truck, most of them require modifications that can't be returned to stock. If I wanted to make my TJ stock, I could go to the junk yard, but the parts for about $100 and make it the same as it was the day it came off the assembly line. Find a lifted IFS truck that can say that, without a special of expensive lift or digging through junk yard after junk yard to find expensive parts to replace the modified ones with.
The Jeep has been an identifying brand within the Chrysler umbrella for 70+ years. I know times change, and things must change.. And I am for change. As long as you don't impact the core values of a product, those are the REASONS people are loyal to a brand.
And no matter what model you are talking about Willys Flat Fender, CJ, YJ, TJ, JK, MT, LT, WJ, XJ, any-J, they have all had an identity all their own. They didn't try to be a pickup truck, or a sedan, or a station wagon, or a SUV. They were a Jeep. They were non-comprimising. You don't own a Jeep and you don't drive a Jeep. You live a Jeep lifestyle.
The posers don't last long. They get sick of the wind noise, being cold in the winter or hot in the summer, or wet in the spring. They sell them and move on to their Volvos or Toyota Camrys. It's the dedicated people that LOVE the Jeeps for what they are, that keep the brand alive. Not the posers. If you don't listen to your loyal customers, that live the brand. The brand won't last long.
