Do research, ever heard of thermite ?
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9-11 where were you?
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And of course they go into cya mode.
And of course they go into cya mode.
Mr.Slave
Quarry Creeper
i thought the american government was incompetent and stupid how could they possibly have pulled this off?
Well they are not that stupid they can create billions out of thin air, that is pretty smart IMO and sell a lie for truth that is pretty smart too.
smokediver
Rock Crawler
As is typical of folks who do not have a scientific background, the question is purely one of temperatures. But anyone with any knowledge of the science of combustion and melting knows that it is much more complicated than that.
If it were purely a matter of temperature, then as soon as the fire reached its maximum temperature, the steel would have melted, and the buildings would have collapsed -- all in a matter of seconds.
But it didn't take seconds, did it? It took nearly an hour before the first building fell. Why is that?
Because the problem isn't one of pure temperature, it is one of HEAT CAPACITY and THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY.
"Heat capacity (usually denoted by a capital C, often with subscripts) is a measurable physical quantity that characterizes the ability of a body to store heat as it changes in temperature. It is defined as the rate of change of temperature as heat is added to a body at the given conditions and state of the body (foremost its temperature). In the International System of Units, heat capacity is expressed in units of joules per kelvin. It is termed an "extensive quantity" because it is sensitive to the size of the object (for example, a bathtub of water has a greater heat capacity than a cup of water). Dividing heat capacity by the body's mass yields a specific heat capacity (also called more properly "mass-specific heat capacity" or more loosely "specific heat"), which is an "intensive quantity," meaning it is no longer dependent on amount of material, and is now more dependent on the type of material, as well as the physical conditions of heating." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_capaci…
"In physics, thermal conductivity, k, is the intensive property of a material that indicates its ability to conduct heat.
It is defined as the quantity of heat, Q, transmitted in time t through a thickness L, in a direction normal to a surface of area A, due to a temperature difference ΔT, under steady state conditions and when the heat transfer is dependent only on the temperature gradient.
Thermal conductivity = heat flow rate × distance / (area × temperature difference) "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_con…
So, the poroblem here is not strictly one of temperature, but how much heat was being pumped into the steel, versus how quickly it could conduct that heat to other areas to cool itself down. If the steel conducts heat away from the fire faster than it is being pumped into the steel, the steel remains rigid. If heat is pumped into the steel faster than it can be conducted away, the temperature of the steel RISES ABOVE THE TEMPERATURE OF THE FIRE, eventually reaching the plastic deformation (softening) temperature. At that point, the steel girders deform, and the rest is purely momemtum (mass times velocity).
So, get off the bulls**t of the temperatures of the system, and look into the physics. The supporting girders did not need to melt (liquify) to cause the buildings to collapse, they just needed to soften enough to deform and start the collapse.
No explosives are required, no CIA or FBI involvement, no mysterious conspiracies from the Federal government, nothing.
Build a freakin' bridge and get over it, losers. The freakin' al-Qaeda terrorists knew their engineering far better than any of you idiots out there, and used that knowledge to bring down the towers. They have admitted it. So cut the cr*p and get on with life!
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Mr.Slave
Quarry Creeper
this thread is full of answers to your question.
ggggggeeeeeezzzzz old people! LOL
I was on my way to work. When I got there they told me a plane crashed into one of the towers. A bit later the service manager came flying out into the shop to tell us that another hit. We spent the next couple hours huddled around the tiny 7" tv he kept under the counter. After a while the boss told us we could go home if we wanted to, but most of us stayed. Very surreal day.
Along with many other people I wondered how a plane could accidentally hit something so large. In 1945 a B-52 bomber crashed into the Empire State building.
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Its hard to believe anyone there is incompetent. I know I don't believe it.
I'm also with Chip on this one. Vietnam was a big lie based on purposely falsified information. While it wasn't on our shores, it caused a lot of American casualties for no other reason than the powers that be wanted something done. To me, thinking that 9/11 was at least in part an inside job isn't that big of a stretch.
And just because someone questions the evidence or motives or players doesn't mean they are saddened by the loss or do not support our troops or love America. If anything, it would make a person feel worse about the whole thing if they thought our government had something to do with it.
Even before we went to the middle east, when we were still compiling evidence, a CIA operative was sent to investigate the reports of "yellow cake" and returned to say the info was bogus. We lost our window of opportunity to invade. A short while later Pres Bush reported that British intelligence had enough evidence, but our agencies knew nothing about it. Chances are that was a fabrication, but we had our window and invaded.
Along with many other people I wondered how a plane could accidentally hit something so large. In 1945 a B-52 bomber crashed into the Empire State building.
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Its hard to believe anyone there is incompetent. I know I don't believe it.
I'm also with Chip on this one. Vietnam was a big lie based on purposely falsified information. While it wasn't on our shores, it caused a lot of American casualties for no other reason than the powers that be wanted something done. To me, thinking that 9/11 was at least in part an inside job isn't that big of a stretch.
And just because someone questions the evidence or motives or players doesn't mean they are saddened by the loss or do not support our troops or love America. If anything, it would make a person feel worse about the whole thing if they thought our government had something to do with it.
Even before we went to the middle east, when we were still compiling evidence, a CIA operative was sent to investigate the reports of "yellow cake" and returned to say the info was bogus. We lost our window of opportunity to invade. A short while later Pres Bush reported that British intelligence had enough evidence, but our agencies knew nothing about it. Chances are that was a fabrication, but we had our window and invaded.
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You being a fireman should see it was a ''controlled'' as much as it could be fall.
vonclod
Rock Crawler
i,m calling shenanagins too, i dont believe the official story..not nessasarily believeing all the conspiracy theories but there is no plausible reason or explanation for building 7 falling at a perfect free fall..just doesnt jibe with me....but im just a dumb fawk i guess
as for where..i was just getting up and my roomate starts banging on my door that one of the towers was hit..i think i pretty much tuned in as the second plane hit..very sureal and sad day no matter where your from..terrible day that changed the world
as for where..i was just getting up and my roomate starts banging on my door that one of the towers was hit..i think i pretty much tuned in as the second plane hit..very sureal and sad day no matter where your from..terrible day that changed the world
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slowngreen
RCC Addict
I was getting ready for work when I saw it on tv. I pray that I never see anything like that again. Was pure evil, 100% pointless. No matter who the hell did it. Its bull shit to show disrespect on this anniversary of that horrible day by arguing about who you "think" did it.
If you dont have respect for our country, have some for human life.
If you dont have respect for our country, have some for human life.
I've got shitloads of respect for the people of this country, but I have very little for its government. It is our government I call into question here, not its victims.
But I will save this for another day.
My point exactly! I can't believe it, we agree in two things now. Will you be my BFF? I like long walks, guns, organized tool boxes and tea cup poooodles cause they are so fun to shoot along with cats.
BLOODBANE
Quarry Creeper
Sorry chip, I don't believe in an eye for an eye, I WANT A HEAD FOR AN EYE. You take something from me, especially when I have done you no wrong (not saying the government hasn't, but me personally), I want you to pay for it 10 fold. Might be a bit extreme, but there would be a lot less crimes going on if this rule was in place,
I agreed, perps have no fear of punishment they get three hots and a cot for murder sounds great to me. As the Great Hank Williams Jr said " They shall swing quickly" in the song "If the South would have won" :lmao:
slowngreen
RCC Addict
I wouldnt defend our government for nothing and I also have questioned what happened, but I just think we have every day of the year besides this one to do that.
I was in year 6. It was night when it happened over in Sydney. I was having my breakfast and it was all over the news. We were getting the house painted and the painters were watching too and I called my mum over and she thought I was joking. I didn't even know what the Twin Towers were at the time. I thought they were the ones in Kuala Lumpur and I also remember wondering about the pilots as the thought of suicide bombing to me at least was unheard of, thinking maybe they parachuted out or ejected (I was 11). 9/11 was a Tuesday wasn't it? Because I think when the news broke here it was actually 9/12 and I think I had sport that day so I had my sport stuff on.
It was a terrible loss of life and changed the entire Western World as we know it. Some of the conspiracy theories are somewhat crazy (the planes were animated into the videos, or a missile hit the Pentagon. Why use a missile in broad daylight in a major city??). Others do make you think.
It was a terrible loss of life and changed the entire Western World as we know it. Some of the conspiracy theories are somewhat crazy (the planes were animated into the videos, or a missile hit the Pentagon. Why use a missile in broad daylight in a major city??). Others do make you think.
What was the other thing? :ror:
You're absolutely right. 100% my bad.
