Broken gears before I even made it outside to try out my XR10

[addictedtonitro]

honestly....ok axial f-ed up....mveing on.....im running the stock gears...but did the 9mm bearing swap....bound up my rig enough to debead my tires and scare the judge.....didnt break a thing....so ok yes its supposed to be a comp ready kit........its 300 dollars at the high side people! ....so if you bought a type r civic took it to the track wih no upgradesand got your ass handed to you would you bitch because the 200k ferrari beat you?.................case in point shit breaks...yes the sloppy motor plate is causeing the issue....if you would have done a tiny it of research on here you would have known its an issue...and to do the 9mm swap...no amount of bitching is onna cause someone to use a time machine to fix the problem....any other issues with the rig? i dont think so......sorry man im gonna have to be the dickhead about this get over it upgrade to new bigger bearings or buy a losi....garaunteed their is more issues with that rig.........anyways if your scared of doing a couple small mods to mae it bullet proof.....maybe you need to re-examine why this is a HOBBY......its a f-in toy car for petes sake

If your refering to me, I don't really recall complaining really. Yes I'd like to get the gears fixxed. Yes I'm going to do the 9mm mod.
BUT....
I recieved this rig in the mail the day before I left for vacation. I took the dang thing with me to florida and put it together while my family was at disney world just so I could make the iHOBBY comp today. I got home from vacation last night. I'd really of loved to put some 9mm ceramic avids in there, but not really easy to do when your staying in a hotel!.
I did my research on this truck and KNEW there were bearing issuesand planned to do these mods anyways. I carefully drove today to not blow it up. I also stopped driving immediatly at first click. It was too late though.
So I guess forgive me if I was dumb enough to hope it would last 2 quick easy runs today till I could get my orders placed for the upgrades. Maybe next time ups can find me somewhere in kissammee
sorry. I haven't said anything bad yet but that got me for some reason lol.
No offence intended

 

[zzhondaxx]

yea mine broke n about 2 battery cycles i thought it was just the gears got new ones and found out it was a bearing mess up . so now im out of money. its been broke down longer the it was running.
axial told me to buy better bearings and recommended someone.
like it was planned. LOL!!!!!!!!!

 

[addictedtonitro]

I'm really not upset at it. I know for the 259.00 I paid for the kit it's gonna need some mods. Hell everything needs mods even if it's the most expensive truck on the market. I was actually planning on doing the mods. Just wanted to make my 2 little runs and represent for axial and go home. Hell I din't even have my dig installed lol. :shock:

 

[Bigend777str]

You know, I know and Axial knows that the stock bearing size and bearing quality aren't up to par.

If they (Axial) re stamp a motor plate and supply replacement 9mm or 10mm bearings to every owner that calls in with there serial #. Axial would go down as one of the most stand up companies of today. Their customer loyalty ratio for XR10 owners would skyrocket!

That's what should be done, period. Not just say "hey you need to just buy better bearings. Here's where to go."

Just my .02

Jared

 

[Fattymojo]

honestly....ok axial f-ed up....mveing on.....im running the stock gears...but did the 9mm bearing swap....bound up my rig enough to debead my tires and scare the judge.....didnt break a thing....so ok yes its supposed to be a comp ready kit........its 300 dollars at the high side people! ....so if you bought a type r civic took it to the track wih no upgradesand got your ass handed to you would you bitch because the 200k ferrari beat you?.................case in point shit breaks...yes the sloppy motor plate is causeing the issue....if you would have done a tiny it of research on here you would have known its an issue...and to do the 9mm swap...no amount of bitching is onna cause someone to use a time machine to fix the problem....any other issues with the rig? i dont think so......sorry man im gonna have to be the dickhead about this get over it upgrade to new bigger bearings or buy a losi....garaunteed their is more issues with that rig.........anyways if your scared of doing a couple small mods to mae it bullet proof.....maybe you need to re-examine why this is a HOBBY......its a f-in toy car for petes sake

I bet you wouldn't complain if you lost to a Ferrari, but i sure as hell would bet you would complain if you brought the civic to the track and it fell apart as soon as you hit the gas.

Have you ever had a losi? I own 2 and besides my motor issues, i had 1 gear go bad after months of abuse and poor upkeep.

The kit comes research required?

 

[articzap]

I bet you wouldn't complain if you lost to a Ferrari, but i sure as hell would bet you would complain if you brought the civic to the track and it fell apart as soon as you hit the gas.

Have you ever had a losi? I own 2 and besides my motor issues, i had 1 gear go bad after months of abuse and poor upkeep.

The kit comes research required?

How about the chevy cobalt? Ss model is sold as a performance car. The motor mounts are place the axles at a bad angle that cause wheel hop. Wheel hop so bar it breaks axles and transmission housings. Two things came of this, first, they voided peoples warranty that brought in their cars for warranty when the axles broke or transmission housings as per gm. Second they released proper mounts as an available upgrade which could be purchased for a couple of hundred bucks. On top of that, they used a 3 shaft transmission, much like the xr10. This design is very weak as far as transmissions go. The gears tend to walk out of mesh under throttle and then slam back together when the throttle is released. This tends to blow up third gear, but seems to only really cause issues with high horsepower. I'm starting to wonder if certain peoples setups are straight making more torque then what the xr10 was originally designed for.

 

[K Riccardi]

You know, I know and Axial knows that the stock bearing size and bearing quality aren't up to par.

If they (Axial) re stamp a motor plate and supply replacement 9mm or 10mm bearings to every owner that calls in with there serial #. Axial would go down as one of the most stand up companies of today. Their customer loyalty ratio for XR10 owners would skyrocket!

That's what should be done, period. Not just say "hey you need to just buy better bearings. Here's where to go."

Just my .02

Jared

Well said."thumbsup"

 

[Turn'Nburn]

this is bad news..

i was just getting ready to send pay-pal for one of these kits, then started doing a little researching and now i'm on the fence about making the purchase. i realize it isn't a big deal to do the 9mm mod but with all of the release delays this kit had, one would think that if there are this many failures already how was it not noticed by r&d? i like axial and own a few of their products and may still get the xr, but still undecided.

 

[eddiepfund]

Look at my thread here. Same thing happened to me. I am wondering if you put this bearing in the wrong position... Once fixed, I have not had a single problem since. I have went through about 20 packs with stock gears and bearings, no problems.

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274516

 

[BFGcrawler418]

How about the chevy cobalt? Ss model is sold as a performance car. The motor mounts are place the axles at a bad angle that cause wheel hop. Wheel hop so bar it breaks axles and transmission housings. Two things came of this, first, they voided peoples warranty that brought in their cars for warranty when the axles broke or transmission housings as per gm. Second they released proper mounts as an available upgrade which could be purchased for a couple of hundred bucks. On top of that, they used a 3 shaft transmission, much like the xr10. This design is very weak as far as transmissions go. The gears tend to walk out of mesh under throttle and then slam back together when the throttle is released. This tends to blow up third gear, but seems to only really cause issues with high horsepower. I'm starting to wonder if certain peoples setups are straight making more torque then what the xr10 was originally designed for.

My motto is to always over engineer something than under engineer it, Axial obvioulsy under engineered this thing especially for a competition level kit.

Axial will see how many people decide to buy any future kits if they can not stand behind their product rather than just giving them advice on how to fix the issue

 

[articzap]

My motto is to always over engineer something than under engineer it, Axial obvioulsy under engineered this thing especially for a competition level kit.

Axial will see how many people decide to buy any future kits if they can not stand behind their product rather than just giving them advice on how to fix the issue

They won't lose nearly as many sales as you'd think. Just saying.

 

[rooktakesqueen]

Moa

I almost bought one, but I figured this sort of thing would pop up and I'm sure more bugs are in the wings. I have a Losi CC and the Eritex MOA kit...3 inline gears: pinion, spure, and worm...almost too simple, but works great.

 

[Jeepkid]

I almost bought one, but I figured this sort of thing would pop up and I'm sure more bugs are in the wings. I have a Losi CC and the Eritex MOA kit...3 inline gears: pinion, spure, and worm...almost too simple, but works great.

Watch that LCC w/MOA. Sold my to a buddy a little over a month ago to get the XR10. He has destroyed a worm gear and f#cked one esc up in smoke:lmao:. Needless to say, he is a little pissed at me right now. He isnt a wrencking kinda guy, so I'm his mechanic:ror:. The XR10 is great, did the bearing mod nothing wrong with it. Havent broke a thing on it, unlike the cvd's on the LCC.

 

[rooktakesqueen]

no problems here

OK, the stock cvd's have some issues (however, I never had a single problem with mine, but I did change them out just because) I still run my stock worms...mega hrs, no problems. As for the ESC, they can go at any time for no good reason, we all know that.;-)

Watch that LCC w/MOA. Sold my to a buddy a little over a month ago to get the XR10. He has destroyed a worm gear and f#cked one esc up in smoke:lmao:. Needless to say, he is a little pissed at me right now. He isnt a wrencking kinda guy, so I'm his mechanic:ror:. The XR10 is great, did the bearing mod nothing wrong with it. Havent broke a thing on it, unlike the cvd's on the LCC.

 

[articzap]

OK, the stock cvd's have some issues (however, I never had a single problem with mine, but I did change them out just because)

No different then XR10 then. Some people have no issues with bearing failure. Some upgrade because they're scared. Who knows.

 

[rooktakesqueen]

indeed

I agree 100%

No different then XR10 then. Some people have no issues with bearing failure. Some upgrade because they're scared. Who knows.

 

[TURTLE]

I really don't think its that big of a deal guys. Every rig that has come out has had some type of problem take rc4wd when the gears would not spin because they had a bad mesh, or tlt's when c's would brake instantly right after the pinions would shear teeth off or the axle shafts on bergs braking pins or the third gears in berg that would snap or the bad batch of losi gears or the stock lockers that came in the ax10... get the point?

Fact is we are hard on things and some parts are just not up to the standards of what we do to them, its the whole reason there is after market support. Don't beat up Axial to much they still put out the best crawler kit that has ever hit the shelves. We should all feel lucky TLT axles are not the only option we have for 2.2's.

 

[winkscrawler]

I have had no problems with my XR-10. I ran it in near stock form(changed the rear lower links) for 3 comps with no problems at all. I had it bound up several times and quickly bent the stock upper links. I have had the motor gear mesh covers off and inspected and found no signs of failure. It has been siiting on my bench for a few weeks now while I finish the new BJ V4 build with it. Maybe I am just lucky. If so, it is about damn time!"thumbsup"

 

[jcboof]

While all that is true Turtle, people have to remember though that thoses TLTs and Bergs were never designed to put up with what we put them through now. Berg axles wetr never designed to be Hardcore axles.
Axial knew well ahead of time what kind of abuse we can put the trucks through. Yet they still do not have and do not appear to be working on a solution. As stated before, they directed one customer to another bearing company to get better bearings.

The fact that there is a Serious known issue with the truck should be enough to get them hopping. People are counting on this truck to work right out of the box, people have given Axial the benefit of the doubt when they preordered the kits. They put a lot of faith and patience into them, trusting that the kit would work well. Axial owes it to the consumer to make it right.

This is a Pro Level kit. It should be able to take more than 30 seconds of abuse. My stock berg axles too 3 months of abuse before snapping a dogbone and almost a year before giving up a 3rd gear. Enroute is not standing behind or supporting our sport at all. They just keep throwing parts and a few new thinga around every once in a while.
Axial is a HUGE contributor to us and our sport. They should make it right. It would be a wise business decision and a honorable one.

Upgrading our equipment has never been a necessity, always and option. This is an obvious necessity. The truck was designed to compete, it is supposed to be a comp ready kit. Just as a blender is designed to blend and chop up food. Now if a blender took a dump after 30 seconds of blending something. We would expect a replacement or a revised model. Why is this any different with the comp truck. Some of them have competed for 30 seconds on the rocks and failed. This is just not an acceptable thing to have happen.

Axial is a standup company that makes great products and takes care of their customers. They really need to take the initiative in making this work instead of relying on the aftermarket to fix THEIR obvious quality issue.

 

[dusty sweep]

So do you guys think the vp bearings http://www.vanquishproducts.com/xr10-transmision-breaing-k10.html will work or do I have to do the 9mm mod.

Just having to avoid drilling/getting correct bearings etc.

Looking for a more "plug and play solution" but I dont want to put anything in that is going to be upgraded again in the near future