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California Dept. of Corrections

run2jeepn

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Subject: California Dept. of Corrections & Rehabilitation


It is about time someone writes something like this.



As a California Dept. of Corrections & Rehabilitation (CDCR) employee, I
have had my fill with the statements being made in the media about how
the overpaid state employees (prison guards) are draining the state's
budget, and how the poor inmates (convicted FELONS) are dropping like
flies due to substandard medical care and brutal living conditions.
Allow me to cast some light onto these shadowy areas with my ten plus
years of insight behind the walls.

California spends approximately $50,000 a year to house each of our
170,000 inmates. Roughly $12,500 of this is on their "substandard"
medical care. In contrast, the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs
spends about $1,400 per veteran. You read that right. That's nine times
more money being spent on convicted felons than on our nation's
veterans. Texas, which ranks second in the nation in inmate population,
spends about $5,100 a year, per inmate, on health care. In California,
if an inmate has a health complaint, he fills out a form and may be
subject to a $5 co-pay, unless it is deemed an emergency by health care
staff. If that's the case, there is no co-pay and he is seen
immediately. If an inmate claims a pain level over a 6 (on a scale from
1 to 10), he must be seen immediately by a registered nurse, and
scheduled to see a doctor. I don't recall the last time I heard an
inmate claim less than a 6. I don't know about you, but the last time I
went to the ER it took me five hours to get in and cost me 50 BUCKS!

On the educational front, California ranks 29th in the nation on
funding per student, and 49th in "student per teacher" ratio. Over the
last two years, $11 BILLION has been cut from education. Add to that
more than $5 BILLION in proposed cuts over the next two years. I have
friends who have told me that their child's school had to cut the
library program due to budget cuts. My own child's school had to cut the
music program, although we still have a library. For now. And the few
athletic programs we still have are run by volunteer-coaches, as there
is no money to pay someone. The prison I work at has several paid
coaches, in addition to a "recreational coordinator". There is a staff
of who knows how many teachers, while my child's school had to lay-off
two. But let us get back to these poor, fragile creatures we lovingly
refer to as inmates.

The typical day in an inmate's life consists of being awoken at around
6:45am for chow. They walk to the dining hall, where they are served
coffee and/or juice and a FREE balanced breakfast, that would cost my
child $2 at school. They sit and eat breakfast, and socialize with their
brethren, for about 15-20 minutes, and on the way out receive their free
bag lunch. Then, if they have a job, off they go (the average workday
for an inmate is about six hours). If they aren't employed, they go back
to their housing unit until the yard opens at about 8:30 or so. Once out
to yard, they have a myriad of recreational choices in which to indulge.
Some inmates play basketball or run the track. Others prefer handball or
tennis. Less adventurous fellows may choose to throw around a Frisbee or
participate in a game of horseshoes. Some simply lay their blanket out
on the grass and sunbathe. There are softball tournaments to compete in
for prizes (sodas, ice cream, etc.). This scenario is repeated three
times a day for a total of about 8.5 hours of daily recreational
opportunity, seven days a week. Wouldn't that be nice?

I have read numerous articles about the state prison guards making
outrageous amounts of money in overtime. While it's true that I did make
about ten thousand in overtime one year, what isn't known is that I
didn't volunteer for a single overtime shift. Due to a hiring freeze and
the usual attrition, ALL of my overtime was mandatory because of short
staffing. In other words, much like the inmates, I was not allowed to go
home after my shift those days. Unlike the inmates, I could not play
horseshoes.

Up to this point, I have been "given" three furlough days for a total
pay cut of around 15%. That was roughly equivalent to my mortgage
payment. I am, however, no longer saddled with that burden as, due to
said cuts, the bank has relieved me of that responsibility by taking
back my house. The hardest part to swallow is the fact that while I'm
losing everything I've worked for, the inmates have not had one program
or privilege cut thus far. As a matter of fact, they gain new rights and
privileges with every new lawsuit. Speaking of lawsuits,
prisoner-initiated lawsuits have cost the state more than $191 million
over the past six years. How many homeless veterans would that feed?

I hope I've opened some eyes as to what really goes on inside the
walls of California's state prisons. Voters have made themselves heard
with the three-strikes law and other get tough on crime issues. The
people of this state demand justice when one person takes another's in
cold blood. The problem is, once that person is convicted and locked
away, he is portrayed as a victim of the system. Suddenly he is
guaranteed rights that neither you nor I enjoy. Like the right to
instant medical attention (despite what the media says); for free. The
right to three balanced meals a day. The right to their own personal TV
and radios. The right to buy Ramen soups or Snickers bars or Dreyer's
ice cream. We, as the citizens of this state, need to pull our
collective heads out of the sand and see what is going on in this state.
We are taking money from our future, our children, to repair the damage
these inmates have caused to themselves over a lifetime of drug-abuse
and self-neglect. In stead of blaming Corrections staff and other state
employees for the budget problems this state faces, let's take a hard
look at what we're spending to care for and coddle the inmates in
California. I'm not denying that basic medical care is a basic human
right, but would you rather spend your $40,000 on a convicted child
molester's total knee replacement, or pay a teacher a year's salary to
educate 30 of our children?

So, In closing, let me just ask you this. If prison is such a
barbaric, inhumane, insufferable place, why do 80% of them come back
after their first term?

If you agree with this article, please pass it on to everyone in your
contact list. If you don't agree, better see a doctor about that
bleeding heart. If you commit a felony, you can see one for $5.
 
I wish Texas could find a way to reduce the cost per inmate even further. Maybe it's time to fire up ol' Bessy, Or wait....wouldn't a rope be cheaper?

Good find Jarod.
 
Or wait....wouldn't a rope be cheaper?

Good find Jarod.


They'd probably get sued over rope burns.


I got friends in the DoC and as good as their pay sounds to someone on the outside sometimes it doesnt sound worth it for the crap even minimum security gaurds have to put up with.


People choose what they do in life, you choose to commit a crime and get time then you choose to lose your rights. And all inmates should have some type of job, even if its raking the yard for 6 hours.
 
I worked for the Tennessee Department of Corrections for 3 years as a Corrections Officer.
I can say first hand that everything that guy said is spot on accurate.

The one thing he didnt mention tho was just how much "guards" make.
Sure you do get some overtime... But you are forced to take it. It sucks, and you never know when you are going to get "hit". I remember one time I had told my captain on a monday that I could not work over on friday because I had to be in court for a divorce hearing... Come friday, The ovetime list (whiich is broadcast over the radio, so everyone knows) came through, and sure enough... There I was, number 1. I explained my situation and was told, sorry this post has to be manned, and your relief did not show up. You have to do it. I could have left if I wanted to quit, but I choose to stay because I understood the situation. I understood that my job was to keep those people inside, and by doing my job I was protecting something, and that meant alot to me. Hell, I once spent 24 straight hours behind the wheel of mobile 1 (one of the vehicles that drives the perimiter of the compound to ensure that the fence is safe, and that no one is trying to come in or get out) I did it because the officers that were supposed to be coming in for 2nd and 3rd shifts didnt show and there was no-one else.
I busted my ass at that job, and I have alot of respect for the men and women that do that job. They are extrememly underpaid. Just how much...

When I worked there, the base pay for a CO was 10,40 per hour... I was lucky to make it to corpral, and for the extra workload I was rewarded with a very handsome raise of 1.50 per hour...
Ya wanna know whats worse... Basically, corrections officers are police officers... and they get paid less than half. Why, because no-one ever sees them. The general public only thinks about the prisons when someone escapes, or there is going to be an execution. Most have no idea what it takes to run one, or work in one.
 
California spends approximately $50,000 a year to house each of our
170,000 inmates. Roughly $12,500 of this is on their "substandard"
medical care. In contrast, the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs
spends about $1,400 per veteran. You read that right. That's nine times
more money being spent on convicted felons than on our nation's
veterans.

this really makes me sick. treating scum bags better than war heros what the he!! is going on.
 
That is absolure BS all the way around, $50k a year to coddle the prisoners in Cali, that's way more than I earn in a year. The $5k Texas spends per year on health is unbelieveable compared to what the VA spends, should be the other way around at bare minimum if not more like what Cali spends. The base pay seems exessively low when you can find some retail jobs that will pay more than that and partially pay for medical insurance in many cases and around here you can't live on that kind of pay unless you're owning/renting with a roommate, lover, sibling, or still living with Mom and/or Dad and then sometimes still have a part time job to suppliment that income. They need to get tehir heads out of their asses there and realise that the services people not in jail use should have that kind of funding, not prisoners.
 
My business partners X-Wife makes $11.50hr at Star Bucks with full benefits:shock: And a CO only makes $10.50? Crazy world we live in.....
 
negative ghost rider.

10.50 is what all of the CO's were being paid when I was working in the Tennessee Department of Corrections. I worked at both Riverbend (mens maximum security facility) and TPFW (Tennessee prison for women, which is a maximum security womens facility)
 
If they would kill the killers ,that would take of alot cost out, I'll do it for free. I got a 16lb sledge and a backhoe.

If they would make jail like a jail instead of a country club, might keep them from wanting to come back.

When life is easier on the inside than it is on the outside. Why wouldn't they not want to go back.

Makes me sick how we treat inmates ,that would steal ,rape and kill as soon as you turn your back.
 
If they would kill the killers ,that would take of alot cost out, I'll do it for free. I got a 16lb sledge and a backhoe.

If they would make jail like a jail instead of a country club, might keep them from wanting to come back.

When life is easier on the inside than it is on the outside. Why wouldn't they not want to go back.

Makes me sick how we treat inmates ,that would steal ,rape and kill as soon as you turn your back.

Hell did you see the country cl....................I mean jail they built in Illinois? I wonder how the room service and spa are? Hell makes me wish I could go to jail.:|

Libs just love the poor mis-treated inmates.:roll:
 
I have seen that happen...
All they will do is fire every single person that walked, call in the national guard and hire new people.
The people in charge think of every possible scenario, they have to
 
I have seen that happen...
All they will do is fire every single person that walked, call in the national guard and hire new people.
The people in charge think of every possible scenario, they have to

So what would hurt prison management? A doughnut ban? A segment on national news exposing the truth? Random drug tests?

Explain.
 
Probably a large number of prison guards from a number of prisons across the country going on national televison telling the truth of what's going on in these prisons.
 
Nothing phases the upper managment. Nothing, they dont care.
If enough people stood up, and told about exactly what was going on in there, and how the officers were being treated it might have an effect.

But honestly, how many times in your life have you ever thought about the guards in prison. How much they get paid, the work conditions and so forth. I could tell you things that would shock the hell out of you, but no-one would care.

We as a society want our inmates out of sight and out of mind. We want people to keep them where they belong, and thats it. We dont want to know the rest.
 
So what would hurt prison management? A doughnut ban? A segment on national news exposing the truth? Random drug tests?

Explain.


Here are a couple of things about the Tennessee Department of Corrections that the general public doesnt know.

1st. Legally, noone is allowed to know what disease any inmate has. Especially not the officers. Not saying that I didnt know who had what when i worked there, but we were legally not allowed to know. However, if a fight broke out, or someone was puking up blood, we had to go do our job and help.
2nd. Your religion and your family doesn't matter. You are a corrections officers and that comes before anything else. Period. You are religious, so what, you better be at your post, wife had a baby... You had better be there, parants died, you have work to do.
3rd. Obviously the pay sucks, but here is something no-one ever talks about. You'd think being a state employee you would have great benifits... WRONG. Not only did the benifits suck, we had to pay an exorberant amount of money for them. I ended up dropping my state coverage with BlueCross BlueSheild, and getting my own private coverage for my family through the same provider, with more coverage and paid less.
4th. There are no weapons of any kind allowed inside the compound. No guns, no tazers, no pepper spray... NOTHING. guards walk around defensless all of the time.
5th. The only person allowed to have a set of handcuffs is the Main Yard Officer (my job). I only had one set, and that was it. There were more available, but it could take up to 5 minutes or more to get them. Luckily my sargent also broke the rule and carried a set. That was it.
6th. No one has keys to the front doors of the housing units. If the mechanism breaks... no-one goes in or comes out until it is fixed.
7th. Inmate workers (those on the maintance crew) have every tool imaginable available to them at all times. If I needed a screw driver to tighten down a door knob the answer was no. I had to call the inmates.
8th. You are given lots of "comp" time. But cant ever use it. When I finally quit, I had enough sick, vacation and comp time that I still got a check for 8 months.
9th. The trucks that drive the perimiter have shotguns and pistols. Yep, .38 caliber 6 shot revolvers. And one extra set of rounds for the pistol.
10th. The vehicles that patrol the perimiter are barely running pieces of shit. Its like that at every prison I have ever been to because the trucks run constantly 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. They are never turned off unless the oil is being changed. However the Warden gets a new car every year, and its never driven
11th. Come rain, sleet, hail, snow, lightning or tornado. The Yard officers will be outside, standing in it. We only had a light jacket provided to us. We were allowed to where thin winter gloves (think Isotoners). We were allowed to wear a baclave. And that was it. 115 outside... so what. freezing rain and the flu. Stand out in it. Touch shit. its your job.
12th. Under no circumstances (unless there is a fight) may a male officer ever lay his hands on a female inmate. Even if she is threatening violance. I was corrected once for searcing a female inmate who I say stick a homemade knife in here jacket. There was a female officer present (though she had only been on the job for 2 days, and we did find the knife).

There are endless amounts of off the wall shit... and those are just some of the lighter ones....
 
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