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Cloaked spaceship around Mercury and a new Earth

JeremyH said:
Quantum particles dont act in the same manner as classical mechanics."thumbsup"
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It could be also that I say to travel by light, what I mean is travel by energy.

Energy moves, the energy from man made light is a great example of energy a energy that can be controled and directed to a specific point.

One of the things I would try to transport by this type of energy ( if performing a experiment of my own ) is various types of gasses like oxygen.

something I could test for on the other side, if a gas is heavy, then try to make it travel up with the energy to a specific point.
 
JeremyH said:
Same thing. E=mc^2
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Its all energy but how can we manipulate it, what all can we get to "flow" with it?

That is the key to economic space travel, and IMO if man iis able to sustain, for another 100 yrs, we may see lighter objects like, food/water trasported with no use of combustion to crafts that have no real need for reentry for supplies.
 
JeremyH said:
I am still expecting them to debunk that experiment.
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I thought they already did.

rock hard said:
Its all energy but how can we manipulate it, what all can we get to "flow" with it.
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I think I understand what you're saying. Use the flow and motion of light like a sailboat would move with the wind. Theoretically you could eventually travel at the speed of light, but you wouldn't have to.
 
Duuuuuuuude said:
I thought they already did.



I think I understand what you're saying. Use the flow and motion of light like a sailboat would move with the wind. Theoretically you could eventually travel at the speed of light, but you wouldn't have to.
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yes, good way to look at it, but it doesnt have to be light, light is all we know that travels at that speed, but light is mearly energy. There may be many forms of energy that travel at. pr faster than the speed of light, we just cant see it to discover it.

Light is a form of energy man has currently at his disposal, which we can manipulate to some degree already, for example we can bend light.

If light is energy, and we can bend light.

we can direct energy around corners, or around planets
 
Yep, heavy mass objects can bend light. As I have said before, photons/particles have mass (albeit very small) and as you know, two objects that have mass interact with one another...

This is actually how they find a LOT of black holes (especially the ones without a significant accretion disk).
 
JeremyH said:
That's the only way light/energy travels...
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Not really, J

A fire is visable all diirections, so its sending light/energy all those direction.

Concentrated....

If I have a lazer pen, you only see it if its hitting you, you dont see it from the side..thats more pin pointed energy.

Look at the sun, its energy is sent out 360*x360* If its energy was pin pointed, its more focused, and would ariive with more energy.

Like a magnifiyng glass, can pin point the light, its energy increaes.

This is important if yo intend to use the energy we have available efficiently.

The energy can be consentrated, focused, pin pointed locating, allowing better resullts and usefullnenss for sending objects.
 
rock hard said:
Not really, J

A fire is visable all diirections, so its sending light/energy all those direction.
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Exactly, that is why it is called "radiation"."thumbsup" It travels from one point to another. I never said that it wasnt emitted in all directions by point sources...

rock hard said:
Concentrated....

If I have a lazer pen, you only see it if its hitting you, you dont see it from the side..thats more pin pointed energy.

Look at the sun, its energy is sent out 360*x360* If its energy was pin pointed, its more focused, and would ariive with more energy.

Like a magnifiyng glass, can pin point the light, its energy increaes.

This is important if yo intend to use the energy we have available efficiently.

The energy can be consentrated, focused, pin pointed locating, allowing better resullts and usefullnenss for sending objects.
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Paul, our universe operates on several basic principles of physics...one being conservation of energy. You cant get more out of a system than you put in (some folks would refer to that as a perpetual motion machine).

The sun is the strongest source of radiation that we have....it is the most powerful nuclear reactor that we have near us. There is no increasing the energy from that without putting energy into the system (which you are trying to avoid in your theory).

BTW, you can see the light being emitted from a laser.....however, a few of them operate just above or just below the visible light spectrum. Just because you cant see certain types of light/radiation, doesnt mean that it isnt there. "thumbsup"

Also, you know that we only see light as a reflection. You'll notice with those "invisible" lasers, that you will see it reflecting off dust particles or other objects in the path of the laser. Same principle with a light bulb.....you dont see the light traveling through the air, just it being reflected off surfaces.
 
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JeremyH said:
Exactly, that is why it is called "radiation"."thumbsup" It travels from one point to another. I never said that it wasnt emitted in all directions by point sources...


Paul, our universe operates on several basic principles of physics...one being conservation of energy. You cant get more out of a system than you put in (some folks would refer to that as a perpetual motion machine).

The sun is the strongest source of radiation that we have....it is the most powerful nuclear reactor that we have near us. There is no increasing the energy from that without putting energy into the system (which you are trying to avoid in your theory).

BTW, you can see the light being emitted from a laser.....however, a few of them operate just above or just below the visible light spectrum. Just because you cant see certain types of light/radiation, doesnt mean that it isnt there. "thumbsup"
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I didnt say it would increase the suns energy, the energy is emitted 360*

If that inergy (same amount) was concentrated to one source the source would reciieve more energy.

The amount of light hitting a magifing glass isnt any larger on the opposite side of teh glass. Its energy is mearly pin pionted.

So the comcentrated energy is "more" since its concentrtaed.

The key is concetration, saturation, focus.

If a light buld didint have a lense, its given light wouldnt travles as far in a specific direction, there is no more light, its just manipulted to yeild betetr results.
 
rock hard said:
The key is concetration, saturation, focus.
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I think you are giving too much credit to how efficiently a beam of light can transfer energy to an object with any appreciable mass. As I said before, quantum particles follow quite different principles than to larger objects.


rock hard said:
If a light buld didint have a lense, its given light wouldnt travles as far in a specific direction, there is no more light, its just manipulted to yeild betetr results.
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Huh? I have never seen a light bulb with a lens...the glass exists to hold in argon gas (or in some older models, simple evacuation).
 
JeremyH said:
I think you are giving too much credit to how efficiently a beam of light can transfer energy to an object with any appreciable mass. As I said before, quantum particles follow quite different principles than to larger objects.

MY expeiment for you, the mass, your head (lots off mass)
the light, 6" diamater of area. the transfer....6" magnifiieg glass.



Huh? I have never seen a light bulb with a lens...the glass exists to hold in argon gas (or in some older models, simple evacuation).
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My bad, a flash light....the bulb/lens/ect
 
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