ThinkTank
Release your anger..
That due to North Dakota not being a state. I may apply for citizenship. "thumbsup"
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- Thread starter JeremyH
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That due to North Dakota not being a state. I may apply for citizenship. "thumbsup"
Is it a cheeseburger?
ThinkTank
Release your anger..
Sooo close, its a churro.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/...IzBHBzdGNhdAN3b3JsZARwdANzdG9yeXBhZ2U-;_ylv=3
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caymin last
Rock Crawler
Interesting thread! For the younger/single guys it's not that hard to find work somewhere, and even though the pay might not be that great at least it's an income.
I was laid off work 3 years ago, and have'nt recieved or applied for any government assistance, I've been actively looking for work and apply for any and every job I come across, I even went back to school and got another certification, at this stage it seems almost pointless, but I still keep on trying. Complaining and crying ain't gonna do any good, so it's just a matter of plugging away till some place decides to hire me.
One thing that is kind of annoying, is in the early morning at the local gas station, there are lots of company vehicles filling up, and only about one in ten workers speaks english
I was laid off work 3 years ago, and have'nt recieved or applied for any government assistance, I've been actively looking for work and apply for any and every job I come across, I even went back to school and got another certification, at this stage it seems almost pointless, but I still keep on trying. Complaining and crying ain't gonna do any good, so it's just a matter of plugging away till some place decides to hire me.
One thing that is kind of annoying, is in the early morning at the local gas station, there are lots of company vehicles filling up, and only about one in ten workers speaks english
EastsideZero
Newbie
Damn welfare vermin.
How dare they take handouts from the government, there won't be any money left for the next big multi-trillion dollar bank bailout!
How dare they take handouts from the government, there won't be any money left for the next big multi-trillion dollar bank bailout!
SO businesses should just create jobs for people that they really don't need because business is down? The businesses that are doing well and needing people are hiring. I own a business, should I just create jobs so people aren't on welfare?
As far as people not knowing where jobs are, get on the damn internet. Going to the local employment office is useless. Network, meet people, reach out. It's your responsibility to find a job not others responsibilities to tell you where the jobs are.
I really don't see how someone from Australia has an iron in this fire. :roll:
So in your world one wrong is better than another? Somehow it's not okay for businesses but is okay for lazy asses?
How about neither gets my tax money. "thumbsup"
That is Trickle Down Economics. "thumbsup"
Give money to rich business owners (tax breaks, incentives) so that they can hire people. Once hired, those people can take their paychecks and consume things. Consuming things keeps the economy going. Supposedly. On paper. Right now somebody isn't upholding their part of the deal...
Taxes for those making over $250k are the lowest they have been since the depression. Don't anybody even think of claiming that they aren't creating jobs because their tax rates are too high.
dezfan
I wanna be Dave
That is Trickle Down Economics. "thumbsup"
Give money to rich business owners (tax breaks, incentives) so that they can hire people. Once hired, those people can take their paychecks and consume things. Consuming things keeps the economy going. Supposedly. On paper. Right now somebody isn't upholding their part of the deal...
Taxes for those making over $250k are the lowest they have been since the depression. Don't anybody even think of claiming that they aren't creating jobs because their tax rates are too high.
How does a "tax break" give anyone anything? :roll:
All it does is let the people keep more of the money they worked to earn! I just don't understand this backward ass, Liberal, bullshit, mentality!:x
They aren't hiring because they are unsure of the economy, they aren't hiring because of the unknown cost of Obama-care, they aren't hiring because their taxes may be going up!
"Give" is a relative term. If you "give" someone a tax break, you are essentially "giving" them the opportunity to put a bit more money in the bank.
I agree that TDE is bullshit, but I don't have it backwards, its how it works. Allowing corporations and businesses a smaller tax burden means they have more money on hand. The whole reasoning behind the deal is that they take that tax break and use it to pay their employees better, or hire more, or expand their business within our country (not overseas!).
Right now they're using those tax breaks to fatten the accounts of their shareholders and CEO's. You can't tell me those people "earned" their money by exploiting loopholes any more than the welfare leaches "earned" their money by doing the same thing.
I'm beginning to wonder if you even know how half the shit you preach works.
The economy sucks because people are out of work. People are out of work because the banks and Wall Street fawked us over and got rewarded for it.
Businesses aren't hiring because the economy sucks, so they get a tax break to create jobs and boost the economy. But they aren't doing that. If they aren't going to do that, then raise their taxes. Like I said, taxes for the "rich" haven't been this low since the depression, that is no excuse.
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dezfan
I wanna be Dave
My wife and I are in the early process of starting a small business, We're not starting it to provide jobs for others. We're starting it to better our place in life. IF we need to hire someone, then that will be a bonus. But it's not the reason for starting the business nor is providing jobs for others our responsibility.
Again, the Government isn't "giving" me anything. The lower taxes allow me to keep more of my money! If what they collect isn't enough, then just like our business, they need to figure out how to spend less and make what they have go further!
You can wonder all you wish, I know exactly what I'm doing and how to do it. I don't need some closet Lib to "Splain" it to me.
Again, the Government isn't "giving" me anything. The lower taxes allow me to keep more of my money! If what they collect isn't enough, then just like our business, they need to figure out how to spend less and make what they have go further!
You can wonder all you wish, I know exactly what I'm doing and how to do it. I don't need some closet Lib to "Splain" it to me.
801RYAN
Rock Crawler
Reading stories like the above on CNN makes me disgusted when I see stories like the following:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/ss/Lobster-Steak-Food-Stamp-Receipt.htm
I figured the food would be traded for Crack .....8)
I own a small business myself, and like you, I'm doing it to make money and support my family.
TDE is a theory, and an old one at that. That theory is that if you give tax breaks to the top earners they will be more likely to participate in activities that will stimulate the local economy, such as investments, expanding their businesses, and other things that will generate revenue and ultimately the employment of people. All of that helps the economy. But again, it is a theory, not a written guarantee. The top earners and big corporations can just as easily take those tax savings and either sit on them or spend them overseas, and nobody here will see a dime of it "trickle down", which does nothing to help the situation.
I will not argue that the government needs to spend less. You know that. But as long as they practice the TDE theory there needs to be results from those that benefit from it. Why give someone a tax break worth billions of dollars if they aren't going to do anything productive with it when that was the whole point of giving them a tax break in the first place?
She should have thought about that before she threw her legs up in the air and let Pedro fill her cum dumpster.
Its an easy enough mistake to make. I can't recall ever thinking "oh god, oh god, oh god, foodstamps!".
dezfan
I wanna be Dave
You keep talking about CEOs and big corporations.
I'm talking about small businesses who earn $250 thousand and up! They are responsible for over 50% of jobs in this country.
As a small business owner, are you prepared to hire for the sake of hiring? Do you wish to send more of your money to Washington so that someone who has been on welfare for 5+ years can go to the grocery store to purchase Lobsters? Do you think the Government can spend your money better than you can?
I'm not! I worked in a small family owned grocery store for years and watched generation after generation of welfare recipients sponge off of my hard earned money! I can't tell you the number of scams and abuse of welfare I witnessed.
I say that no additional money(in the form of even higher taxes) needs to go to the Government until they can prove to me that they can handle it responsibly!
I don't see that happening anytime soon.
I'm talking about small businesses who earn $250 thousand and up! They are responsible for over 50% of jobs in this country.
As a small business owner, are you prepared to hire for the sake of hiring? Do you wish to send more of your money to Washington so that someone who has been on welfare for 5+ years can go to the grocery store to purchase Lobsters? Do you think the Government can spend your money better than you can?
I'm not! I worked in a small family owned grocery store for years and watched generation after generation of welfare recipients sponge off of my hard earned money! I can't tell you the number of scams and abuse of welfare I witnessed.
I say that no additional money(in the form of even higher taxes) needs to go to the Government until they can prove to me that they can handle it responsibly!
I don't see that happening anytime soon.
We've had this conversation before, but I guess we need to have it again.
The tax increase will apply to anything over the $250k mark. So if you bring home $260k you will pay the current rate on the first $250k, then an additional 3% on the remaining $10k. Its not a huge, life altering, job threatening, door closing jump for most small business owners.
If you are fortunate enough to bring home $260k, you'll pay an additional $300 in taxes that year. Crushing, I know.
Ha! I can barely afford the one employee I've got, which is me. I'd fire the prick but he's all I've got. :ror:
Of course I don't want to pay taxes so that some jobless fawk can eat better than I can. I don't know why you continue to insist that I'm an idiot.
What ever happened to the "approved" foods you could buy on gov't assistance? Did they just kick it wide open to allow everything but beer and wine?
You and I both know that it'll take forever to get any spending bills passed that will actually do any good. Until then, as a temporary measure, boost the taxes on the top earners. And by "top earners", I mean make a new damn tax bracket. Its completely insane to lump the billionaires in with the $250k folks.
Meanwhile, enact a bill forcing the Senate and House to get their shit together. If they can't, they get kicked to the curb. If it works for American Idol, it'll work for Capitol Hill.
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dezfan
I wanna be Dave
Again, It boggles my mind that you are so free to spend others money so cavalierly.
It doesn't matter, It's an increase! It will close businesses that are are the brink, it will cost jobs, and for what? So some government ass clown can spend it on another worthless program?
I'll say it slowly for you. WE DON'T HAVE AN INCOME PROBLEM . WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM.
More taxes is just throwing fuel on an out of control fire!
So your statement that small businesses can hire people, but don't is incorrect.
Then why clamor for more money be taken from those who earn it, so that it can be spent on out of control, broken, and abused government programs?
You want the truth? Liberals happened!
In California, when I first started in the business(early 80s) you could only buy whole foods (meat, dairy, vegetables, bread, etc...) w/ your food stamps. Then the bleeding hearts changed it because it wasn't fair for the welfare recipient's not to be able to buy what they wished w/ "their" money. So candy bars, chips, soda, donuts, junk food in general, etc... were added to the "approved" list.
No alcohol, cigarettes, (The way around this was to sell your food stamps at 2 to 1 for cash) no dry goods(think soap, toilet paper, household cleaners etc...), no prepared foods was roughly the only limits.
It is insane, but Libs see the evil free market entrepreneurs who earn $250,000.00 as "top earners" and want to punish them for the unfairness of their "wealth".
Most of them have never had a real job, made a payroll, experienced the sacrifice and hard work, that it took to build a successful business.
IMO, taxes bases on income is arcane. The IRS needs to be scrapped(talk about savings!) and income tax needs to go the way of the dinosaur.
A National sales tax would be much fairer and efficient means as everyone would pay it. It would reach the black market economy that doesn't get taxed. We all know, that drug dealers love to buy grillz, and Dubs, and such. The Unio... I mean mobsters all love their second homes, expensive cars, "investment" properties etc... The rich who can afford it, spend more, so they would pay more. More importantly, the bottom 47% who don't pay shit would finally have some skin in the game.
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Whether or not the small tax increase will hamper a business depends entirely on how much they're making. I kind of doubt it will, though if they can't afford to pay an extra $300 a year in taxes without making drastic cuts, then they're doing something wrong.
YES I AM WELL AWARE AND HAVE STATED REPEATEDLY THAT THERE IS A SPENDING PROBLEM. YOU NO LONGER HAVE TO BRING THIS POINT UP.
No, my statement was that I am the only employee and that I cannot fire myself, otherwise there would be no business to have.
I have been at the point where I considered hiring someone, but only because the workload was more than I could handle alone. Things have slowed down considerably since then. There is not enough demand or money for me to employ anyone.
The right waves the $250k flag just as hard, saying that they are the ones who will be hit the hardest with this increase. They won't be. Compare Joe Schmoe and his $300k income to Freddy Fatcat and his $10b income and tell me who will pay more...
The tax brackets need a serious overhaul to keep things in perspective, otherwise its really easy to skew the results.
Also agreed. Make the rich pay more for non-essentials. I like it. "thumbsup" :ror:
dezfan
I wanna be Dave
I feel the need to repeat it OFTEN as you seem to support the idea of throwing gasoline on the fire.
NO NEW TAXES "UNTIL" THE GOVERNMENT GETS IT'S SHIT TOGETHER. ONCE THAT HAPPENES, I CAN SEE A SMALL INCREASE ON THE UBER WEALTHY AS LONG AS IT GOES TO REDUCE THE DEBT.
Hmmm, you stated.
Duuuuuuuude said:
As a small business, would a tax increase help you to hire someone?
Again, the w/ uncertainty in the economy, the cost of Obama-care, and tax increases are the reason most small business are not hiring. They are taking what little extra capital they have and stashing it away as a hedge against the unknown impact the damn government is going to have on their business in the near future.
I feel like I'm beating my head against the wall.
It's the small businesses that can least aford the hit, regardless of the fact that you feel it's no big deal. It's a huge deal because they are being lumped together w/ Freddy! That's the point!
I agree.
And don't forget the freeloading 47% who will contribute as well instead of just taking.
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Agreed. Again, a new, better tax bracket arrangement would change the way people look at things. Instead of a 3% bump on everything over $250k, raise the bar up to $1m.
Considering the dollar amount that I do in business each year, it wouldn't effect me either way.
On the flip side, a tax decrease is supposed to encourage businesses to grow. When there is no growth, why continue the break? Thats why they get them.
Still, without numbers to work with its hard to see what the effects might be, but like I said, if a 3% change in income kills your company, you were already on the way out.
Things have been worse for small businesses yet during that same time our economy has been better. Those who need or want to hire will do so. I personally wouldn't sit around on my hands waiting for some legislature to pass or not before making a decision like that. Taxes or no, if I can make more money by hiring another person I will do so. In the end it will still mean a better profit for me. Or I can decide that I have enough money and just pocket the savings from the tax breaks. Either way I win.
You can always count on people spending money. It can't be avoided. You can't always count on corporations (who get the biggest tax breaks) to reinvest their tax savings into the job market and make the TDE machine work. That is my beef there...
Again, yup.
Not all are freeloaders just as not all of the top 10% are billionaires. There are those who are temporarily on assistance until they can find employment, as well as those who are genuinely and truly mentally or physically unable to earn a living on their own.
But like you I see quite often those who abuse the system. I'm perfectly fine with a time limit on benefits, as long as they make accommodations for those who truly need them.
Really what it comes down to is better and more up-to-date regulation. Not more regulation, but more efficient regulation. Its like the whole country is operating on the honor system and nobody is watching the store. The welfare suckers are no better or worse than the Wall Street thieves. They exploit the system for their own personal gain and there is nothing in place to prevent them from doing so.
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