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Lance Armstrong: Beats ball cancer, now gives up after witch hunt.

Sounds like a lot of you are siding with the USADA and that he is guilty no matter what he has been proven at the time of testing.
If he was guilty then, it would have stuck.
I'm not saying he didn't, but if you can't prove it at the time of testing then your wrong to try now. And no other person, liars, are going to change the fact that he tested fine at the time, even if it was retested.
When it comes down to you can't eat watermelon or drink coffee because you test positive for diaretics, then it becomes pointless.
The USADA is over controlled by themselves and need proper direction.
They have waisted our tax dollars, for what? To disgrace athletes, their families, and who is next?
God help us all when we can't take an aspirin when work is giving us a headache.
I say leave him be and set future standards, well thought out for the future athletes. Set a date and go forward from there. Otherwise every athlete has an asterisk up to this point. Including your kids in school.
What's next?





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This is truly a sad day for America and pro cycling everyone lost a hero today. The only person celebrating is Greg LeMonde who has hated Lance from the beginning. LeMonde is also the one who's been beating this Lance is a doper drum for over a decade. It's real shame to see this American pro cycling legend fall I'm very disappointed.
 
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It's really sad.

Also to look back and remember how many races he pulled to the side of the road when other riders went down, waited until they were ready to go then continued with the race.

They couldn't beat a man who went through cancer, had 1 testicle removed, still had kids, a successful career and a great foundation, so this is how they want to treat him now. Bastards, fawkin bastards. Snitches bitches and liars. Sounds a lot like our leaders, doesn't it?


He will always be a hero, for all the right reasons.






JC
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This is exactly how I feel about this situation. If Lance is stripped of his titles, will they then look at, and test the guys who finished second?

CNN was talking about this when I was getting ready for work this morning. Every year Lance won the Tour de France, all cyclist who finished in the spots 2-5 have already had their titles removed for doping.

The man is a gifted athlete, but I think he had some help he shouldn't have, that is just my opinion. No one has been able to prove it, and until they can his titles should stay in tact.
 
My biggest issue is where in the **** does it list testing athletes in the constitution? It is not a government issue. The sport has its own built in controls, and governing body. I think Congress has much more important things on its plate.
 
My biggest issue is where in the **** does it list testing athletes in the constitution? It is not a government issue. The sport has its own built in controls, and governing body. I think Congress has much more important things on its plate.

Couldn't agree more.

They can spend their time investigating their own in government.

Oh, wait, that would be an illegal use of government funds and a waste of our tax dollars.

This guy needs to be investigated himself and let's find his true motive for what he is doing. Probably find out he placed bets on other riders, or maybe Lance turned down an offer from a family member, or maybe Lance told his lobbyist no to donating illegal funds to his foundation. Something is hidden deep in this guys past to want to do this to so many athletes.







JC
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I just saw this tid bit.


Every one of Armstrong's competitive races from Aug. 1, 1998, has been vacated by USADA, established in 2000 as the official anti-doping agency for Olympic sports in the United States. Since Armstrong raced in UCI-sanctioned events, he was subject to international drug rules enforced in the U.S. by USADA. Its staff joined a federal criminal investigation of Armstrong that ended earlier this year with no charges being filed.


They are stripping him of wins he earned before this group was even founded. Sounds like the plot to a bad movie.


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He's done. You've got to have blinders on to still believe he didn't dope at this point. Good summary article here:

Analysis: What USADA

First bit of it:

The long wait is finally over.

The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency published its case file against the Lance Armstrong Wednesday morning, including sworn statements from more than two dozen witnesses, including 11 former teammates, many whom never tested positive, as well as banking records from a Swiss company controlled by Dr. Michele Ferrari reflecting more than $1 million in payments from Armstrong.

In total, USADA assembled a 1,000-page dossier, which it sent to the Union Cycliste Internationale; the summary alone was 200 pages. Included in the evidence:

Armstrong’s use of EPO and blood transfusions
Jonathan Vaughters saw Armstrong inject himself with EPO during the Vuelta a España in 1998. Tyler Hamilton saw Armstrong take EPO during the 1999 Tour de France. Floyd Landis saw Armstrong use EPO during the 2004 season. George Hincapie, the only rider who was with Armstrong for all seven of his Tour de France victories, said he was aware that Armstrong was using EPO and testosterone throughout the time they were teammates. Hincapie testified that, “from my conversations with Lance Armstrong and experiences with Lance and the team I am aware that Lance used blood transfusions from 2001 through 2005.”

Armstrong encouraged teammates to work with Dr. Michele Ferrari
Testimony from Hincapie, Tom Danielson and Levi Leipheimer states that in 2005 Ferrari provided them advice regarding the use of performance enhancing drugs.

Armstrong threatened teammates for not following Ferrari’s doping regimen
Testimony from Christian Vande Velde states that when Armstrong learned Vande Velde was not strictly adhering to the doping regimen prescribed by Ferrari (including regular use of EPO and testosterone), Armstrong came down hard on Vande Velde in a meeting involving Armstrong, Vande Velde and Ferrari in Armstrong’s Girona, Spain, apartment, following the 2002 Tour de France. Armstrong made it very clear to Vande Velde that if he did not shape up and conform to Ferrari’s doping program that Vande Velde would soon be kicked off the team.

Prior knowledge of unannounced drug tests
Testimony from Dave Zabriskie states that team manager Johan Bruyneel “always seemed to know” about impending drug tests. “Bruyneel’s warning that ‘they’re coming tomorrow’ came on more than one occasion,” Zabriskie testified.

The possibility of the UCI’s involvement in covering up a positive drug test
The case file contains inferences that the UCI refused to help in the USADA investigation, including the possible cover up of an Armstrong positive from the 2001 Tour de Suisse.

A long running relationship with Ferrari, well after Ferrari was convicted for sporting fraud
E-mails between Armstrong and Ferrari’s son, Stefano, obtained by USADA investigator Jack Robertson from Italian Carabinieri NAS, include references to Armstrong’s training regimen and payment plan to Ferrari. In all, Armstrong paid Ferrari over $1 million; the relationship continued during Armstrong’s comeback, in 2009-2010, and into his recent foray into triathlon competition.

Instances of retaliation and attempted witness intimidation
Armstrong sent threatening text messages to Levi Leipheimer and his wife, Odessa, after Leipheimer testified to federal investigators in October 2010.

These facts, and countless others, complete the picture of what went on within Armstrong’s U.S. Postal Service team during his seven Tour wins and his comeback in 2009 and 2010.

As USADA chief Travis Tygart wrote in an early press release, “The evidence of the U.S. Postal Service Pro Cycling Team-run scheme is overwhelming. The evidence shows beyond any doubt that the U.S. Postal Service Pro Cycling Team ran the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen.”

The reason for the delay in delivering the file to the UCI is now clear; since USADA first filed its charging letter on June 12, detailing a 14-year doping conspiracy — a charge Armstrong chose not to contest via an arbitration hearing — the anti-doping agency has compiled additional testimony. Canadian Michael Barry’s sworn affidavit is dated Monday, October 8, as an example.

As Tygart wrote, the avalanche of evidence, and the detail of the testimony that supports USADA’s “Reasoned Decision”, truly is overwhelming, and impossible to deny.

The full case file will no doubt bring vindication to the numerous doping accusations leveled at Armstrong over the years, including the federal investigation that was mysteriously shelved earlier this year.

It also serves as vindication to former Armstrong associates Betsy Andreu and Michael Anderson, three-time Tour winner Greg LeMond, and journalists Paul Kimmage and David Walsh, who have long suffered Armstrong’s wrath, often through his attorneys, for questioning the veracity of his victories.

Link to full decision here:

USADA’s Armstrong Reasoned Decision full text
 
I'm sorry, but any of that "testimony" is worthless, IMO. That doesn't mean anything. It would be like during an RC comp, if the judge wasn't sure about a call, so he asked one of the bystanders who was also a competitor.....sorry, but their opinions are biased from the start.

The only lead that seems reputable here is the coverup on the positive test....and it seems that the UCI is more guilty in that than LA is....
 
I am sure all the people who testified against Lance were all given something in return. If they could not catch him in any of the hundreds of tests, then he is either much smarter than them, or did not do anything wrong. Either way he wins. There has to be some kind of statute of limitations on what they could actually go after him for. I would think anything past 90 days after an event and it is to late. I can see it now, Obama will have Lance before Congress and try to put him in Jail because 10 years ago he may have ( no physical proof at all, only hearsay ) done something unethical in the sports world. I have my doubts anything he did was flat out illegal. AND, most of what was allegedly done took place outside the USA.
 
Interestingly enough, I was watching "30 on 30" last night. It was "9.79" and followed the case against Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson when he was busted for drugs. They had interviews with everyone involved including the doctors. It was interesting to see how some of these doctors and labs were hired to test for drugs, and unknowingly were giving information back as to how long it took for drugs to clear a certain person's system. Some didn't even realize that's what was going on.
 
I think it is all B.S. Only years later are they compiling evidence for a trial? Please, become the best at anything in the world and you are going to have people jealous of you. Whether he is guilty or not guilty I think is a moot point all these years later.

Like what was said before, personal testimony from those competing against you isn't what I would call "hard evidence".
 
I think its all just a huge bullshi* publicity stunt. Nothing can be proved and never has been or will be. It's not a matter of what you can accuse, its only what you can prove. Free publicity IMO, good or bad, doesn't matter. I don't give 2 Shi*s of what happens, Lance won and that's all I care about. Same opinion I have on Barry Bonds, steroids cant make you put the bat on the ball. I guess its to hard to believe that Lance is just physically superior to his competition. Look at Michael Phelps, smokes weed and destroyed the competition in 08. Some people are just born with God given talent.
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Wow I am truly speechless. And i'm no Judge, Jury, Advocate, or even a Lawyer. So I will not comment on the use of "performance enhancing drugs" I will say this, I am on EPO treatments and I do not feel any performance enhancing effects other then I get out of bed faster.

I would like to say one more thing. Let us remember Lance for his positive's, The Lance Armstrong foundation livestrong.org and the many people himself and his foundation helped or even saved. Remember LAF was founded two years before his first Tour de France win.
 
A list of those who gave eyewitness testimony (not hearsay) and a bit of info on each:

George Hincapie - long-time teammate and friend of Lance Armstrong. Rode alongside him to every one of his tour wins. Never tested positive for doping. Admitted to doping and knowledge of Lance doping. Retired.

Michael Barry - teammate/domestique to LA. Never tested positive for doping. Admitted to doping. Retired.

Frankie Andreu - teammate/domestique to LA. Never tested positive for doping. Admitted to doping a couple years back. Retired.

Tom Danielson - teammate/prodigy to LA. Never tested positive for doping. Admitted to doping. Still racing, now on a 6 month ban as a result of testimony.

Tyler Hamilton - teammate/domestique to LA. Eventually a rival. Tested positive for doping and eventually admitted it. Retired.

Floyd Landis - teammate/domestique to LA. Eventually a rival. Tested positive for doping and eventually admitted it. Retired.

Levi Leipheimer - teammate/domestique to LA. Never tested positive for doping. Admitted to doping. Still racing, now on a 6 month ban and risking being sacked by his team.

Christian Van de Velde - teammate/domestique to LA. Never tested positive for doping. Admitted to doping. Still racing, now on a 6 month ban.

Jonathan Vaughters - teammate/domestique to LA. Never tested positive for doping. Admitted to doping a while back. Now coach at Garmin.

David Zabriskie - teammate/domestique to LA. Never tested positive for doping. Admitted to doping. Still racing, now on a 6 month ban.

Stephen Swart - don't know this name.

The vast majority of those who testified did not have any vendetta against Lance and in most cases, were not directly competing against Lance. They had not tested positive in their careers and really stood to gain nothing from providing this testimony. Lance never officially tested positive either, although it's been shown the number of tests he had has been widely exaggerated and the fact that his teammates didn't test positive just shows that getting around the system wasn't too difficult.

Again, I don't think Lance did anything different from any of the other cyclists out there at the time. I don't expect he'll ever confess either, he risks not only losing face, but fines/jail time for perjury and countless lawsuits. What always ticked me off about Lance is how he has always approached this as an arrogant bully, initimidating those who have spoken out against him, bribing officials, etc. Even the UCI is refusing to cooperate because Lance doesn't want them to. It's no wonder it took so long to get to this point.

I also don't think the history books should be re-written. Things were so screwed up back then it would serve no purpose. Better to put an asterisk by his wins then to award it to another rider who likely had a shady past as well.
 
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