Motor and ESC?

[Zeus.:God]

Finally getting a start on my SCX-10 again... Just ordered a Hand Bros CMS, but looking for a new ESC and motor. I got the truck with the intentions of running 2.2" tires and putting enough motor in there to get similar performance to my old Stampede, but with not much money to put to it (full size truck takes precedence) I've been running an old manual Duratrax ESC and some 540 motor out of my brother's old Kyosho Outlaw Raider.

I've been looking at a Traxxas XL-5 with the Titan 12T motor, and have heard of pretty good results, though I've never actually been able to find videos of such a setup, at least, being used the way I plan (just something to bash around with- not just crawling). Looking for ~20mph or better, but without so much torque that a launch is going to throw it over on it's side.

Thanks.

 

[Zeus.:God]

Well, now I realize why my post had absolutely no responses... lol Maybe I should pay attention to what I'm typing before hitting submit. Anyway, to clarify, "heard of good results" meaning I haven't hears people talk down on it, but never really explained them. Anyone have this setup that could let me know what exactly I'm looking at before I buy?

 

[ridepate]

I've been running the old AE-1 ESC's for a long time. All this drag-brake ,Tekin, MH, Novak, Blah,blah,blah stuffs funny. If you know what you're doing, you do not need all that stuff......... It's called finesse.........I'll run scaler any day, any time, with all the high-dollar posers..........:lmao:

 

[NFA Fabrication]

I've been running the old AE-1 ESC's for a long time. All this drag-brake ,Tekin, MH, Novak, Blah,blah,blah stuffs funny. If you know what you're doing, you do not need all that stuff......... It's called finesse.........I'll run scaler any day, any time, with all the high-dollar posers..........:lmao:

I drove my SCX10 with a non drag brake ESC that did not have instant fwd/rev,and it drove me out of my mind, That being said, the OP is looking for a much faster rig, where a standard ESC would be more appropriate, anyway, as he won't have any low end torque anyway, so instant fwd/rev is not going to be of much use.

To the OP, picture a full size, solid axle truck traveling at 200MPH while considering your 20MPH 1:10 goal. I do not suggest this in any way.

 

[ScaleFreak93]

Oh but going 200 mph with very little torque and solid axles is such fun especially with leaf springs and no shocks! :lmao:

 

[AsILayDying]

I've been running the old AE-1 ESC's for a long time. All this drag-brake ,Tekin, MH, Novak, Blah,blah,blah stuffs funny. If you know what you're doing, you do not need all that stuff......... It's called finesse.........I'll run scaler any day, any time, with all the high-dollar posers..........:lmao:

This has been one of the best posts Ive read in a while. Yes there is a lot to do with DRIVER ability BUT...... there is always a BUT. Quality does help, hmmmmm I wonder what all the top drivers would say if you told them you could out drive them with NO Drag brake on a REAL course. You know there probably is a reason why AXIAL decided to make it standard on thier ESC's and every other company making an ESC is starting to give DRAG Brake options available. I guess Castle Creations must not know what they are doing.... their R&R team must not know what the real drivers and racers want. God and Ive been doing it all wrong by swapping out my AE-2 for a HH BR-XL and my other AE-2 for a Mamba Max Pro. Guess Ill go put these on the Classifieds and then start practicing.......

Guess ya just cant fix stupid "thumbsup"

 

[Zeus.:God]

I drove my SCX10 with a non drag brake ESC that did not have instant fwd/rev,and it drove me out of my mind, That being said, the OP is looking for a much faster rig, where a standard ESC would be more appropriate, anyway, as he won't have any low end torque anyway, so instant fwd/rev is not going to be of much use.

To the OP, picture a full size, solid axle truck traveling at 200MPH while considering your 20MPH 1:10 goal. I do not suggest this in any way.

The truck will have 2.2" tires with wheels with enough offset to make it more stable. 200 miles an hour isn't an accurate comparison in the least I'd say... 20mph on a truck this size would probably be the equivalent of highway speeds. I'd like my truck to be a bit of a jack of all trades, but still be able to go fast enough to be entertaining.

As far as full size, solid axle trucks go, I've driven mine faster than anyone probably should drive a truck of any kind, let alone one as old and as tall as mine is. I understand the basics. "thumbsup"

I understand that this is a crawler site, but I refuse to believe with all the popularity behind this truck that no one here has gone further than crawling with one of these.

 

[ScaleFreak93]

This has been one of the best posts Ive read in a while. Yes there is a lot to do with DRIVER ability BUT...... there is always a BUT. Quality does help, hmmmmm I wonder what all the top drivers would say if you told them you could out drive them with NO Drag brake on a REAL course. You know there probably is a reason why AXIAL decided to make it standard on thier ESC's and every other company making an ESC is starting to give DRAG Brake options available. I guess Castle Creations must not know what they are doing.... their R&R team must not know what the real drivers and racers want. God and Ive been doing it all wrong by swapping out my AE-2 for a HH BR-XL and my other AE-2 for a Mamba Max Pro. Guess Ill go put these on the Classifieds and then start practicing.......

Guess ya just cant fix stupid "thumbsup"

Dibs on the mmp :ror: Well guess I need to stop being a poser long enough to find the first esc ever made so I can go comp :mrgreen:

The truck will have 2.2" tires with wheels with enough offset to make it more stable. 200 miles an hour isn't an accurate comparison in the least I'd say... 20mph on a truck this size would probably be the equivalent of highway speeds. I'd like my truck to be a bit of a jack of all trades, but still be able to go fast enough to be entertaining.

As far as full size, solid axle trucks go, I've driven mine faster than anyone probably should drive a truck of any kind, let alone one as old and as tall as mine is. I understand the basics. "thumbsup"

I understand that this is a crawler site, but I refuse to believe with all the popularity behind this truck that no one here has gone further than crawling with one of these.

We're not saying you don't understand and yes many of us have gone alot further, hence rock racing, ttc, etc. but 20 mph with minimal torque will not get you to be the jack of all trades but there are many esc/motor combos that will give you speeds like that but still have torque for crawling, a good place to start would be the 2.2 section for top truck and southern buggy builds and the wraith section "thumbsup"

 

[Zeus.:God]

Dibs on the mmp :ror: Well guess I need to stop being a poser long enough to find the first esc ever made so I can go comp :mrgreen:



We're not saying you don't understand and yes many of us have gone alot further, hence rock racing, ttc, etc. but 20 mph with minimal torque will not get you to be the jack of all trades but there are many esc/motor combos that will give you speeds like that but still have torque for crawling, a good place to start would be the 2.2 section for top truck and southern buggy builds and the wraith section "thumbsup"

I don't want a ton of torque, as I don't want the truck to look like a dog lifting its leg when every time I give it throttle, as I've seen with most every "fast" setup. Keep in mind that I don't want to spend a ton of money on a motor/esc combo, this is one of many hobbies of mine, and the least "important" of all of them as its the only one that doesn't provide any use other than just playing.

BTW, I found a video of Bender's "prerunner" build on Youtube using the Traxxas 12 turn motor (not sure on the ESC, but oh well). Looks like it will do what I want, more or less. Thanks.

EDIT: Also, his formula offroad videos have a 12 turn, though he never mentions, it's probably the same motor.

 

[ScaleFreak93]

Eh just go with whatever you want in the end it is your choice and make sure to post pics and vids "thumbsup"

 

[Zeus.:God]

Eh just go with whatever you want in the end it is your choice and make sure to post pics and vids "thumbsup"

I get that... I suppose ridepate's post threw everything off, but I was looking for people who have run, or still run this setup or something comparable to help me make that decision. Thus far, I've only helped myself, and still have no experienced opinions.

 

[AsILayDying]

Ok here is an experienced answer. I have 3 different trail rigs.
1. SCX10 Cherokee Scale Trail Truck it has a Mamba Max Pro with a Sensored Brushless 21.5t motor. Has a ton of a wheel speed and low end torque. Package ESC and Motor cost 105 for esc and 70 for motor. The ESC will do brushed or Brushless a well as Sensored or sensorless (best pick for ESC IMO ). Truck is also considerably heavy for what it is.

2. SCX10 2.2 Mud Truck has a HH BR-XL ESC with a INTEGY 50t Lathe motor (brushed) running with 3s LiPo. Real good wheel speed and a ton of low end torque. Great for the mud and over all trail off road.

3. Wraith that currently has stock AE-2 ESC and stock 20t brushed motor running off 2s and 3s LiPos. A lot of wheel speed and fairly good low end torque. Little harder to control the low slow end driving but then again it's a Rock Racer and not a comp crawler.

IMO I would just do what ever you want and if it doesn't work out sell the parts and try again. For me I just like the ability to program and use Forward/Reverse as well as having Drag brake. The Traxxas units do not have drag brake and I don't believe they have instant reverse either which can save you sometimes from rolling over a cliff or rock edge. I am a Castle guy so my opinion is biased but there are lots of options out there and can be done fairly cheap. Check the classifieds as well as going to check out the threads in the Electronics section. You may be able to find some other stuff there on the 12t motor and other options. Good luck.

 

[Zeus.:God]

Ok here is an experienced answer. I have 3 different trail rigs.
1. SCX10 Cherokee Scale Trail Truck it has a Mamba Max Pro with a Sensored Brushless 21.5t motor. Has a ton of a wheel speed and low end torque. Package ESC and Motor cost 105 for esc and 70 for motor. The ESC will do brushed or Brushless a well as Sensored or sensorless (best pick for ESC IMO ). Truck is also considerably heavy for what it is.

2. SCX10 2.2 Mud Truck has a HH BR-XL ESC with a INTEGY 50t Lathe motor (brushed) running with 3s LiPo. Real good wheel speed and a ton of low end torque. Great for the mud and over all trail off road.

3. Wraith that currently has stock AE-2 ESC and stock 20t brushed motor running off 2s and 3s LiPos. A lot of wheel speed and fairly good low end torque. Little harder to control the low slow end driving but then again it's a Rock Racer and not a comp crawler.

IMO I would just do what ever you want and if it doesn't work out sell the parts and try again. For me I just like the ability to program and use Forward/Reverse as well as having Drag brake. The Traxxas units do not have drag brake and I don't believe they have instant reverse either which can save you sometimes from rolling over a cliff or rock edge. I am a Castle guy so my opinion is biased but there are lots of options out there and can be done fairly cheap. Check the classifieds as well as going to check out the threads in the Electronics section. You may be able to find some other stuff there on the 12t motor and other options. Good luck.

Thanks for a legitimate response. On your 2.2 truck, what kind of wheel speed are you talking about? Its been my understanding that high turn motors have excellent torque (obviously), but don't have the kind of horsepower so to speak to carry the vehicle at speed (or maybe they just don't run at a high enough RPM). Application of power is also important to me, so I see the lack of torque as a good thing as it equates to smoother power output without twisting the frame and suspension like it's going to flop the truck on it's side. As long as it won't make it completely incapable of crawling, I think I'm good.

Trial and error in buying parts is not really an option for me ATM. I understand that's part of the hobby but I can't justify it right now, especially when I don't know anyone I could hawk the rejects onto and all the LHS don't deal with used parts.

 

[AsILayDying]

Ok so if I'm understanding you right I would think you would be fine with an ESC that can handle 3s or more LiPo with out problems. That would be the best start, and like I said before the Castle MMP is amazing and is capable of running pretty much any motor (brushless, brushed, Sensored or sensorless) well worth 105 dollars. Can handle 6s LiPo as well is completely programmable with castle link (213%) drag brake!!!! Also a ton of other characteristics that can be modded. This is the ESC I would recommend but if not then get the Holmes Hobbies BR-XL ESC. It can also handle 6s but it will only do brushed.

Now for a motor I would say something like a 35t (good quality hand wound like a HH TourqueMaster combo 35t) would be great. Best of both worlds, great wheel speed and quality low end, smooth engagement and running. As well as good quality that makes the drag brake even better. If you want more wheel speed get a 27t but when you start to get into the lower turn motors you do gain wheel speed but lose low end crawling ability. IMO I wouldn't go any lower then the 20t that comes in the Wraith.

Again good luck with which ever you decide.

PS: You can add a little more wheel speed if you add power. My 50t in the 2.2 on 2s LiPo is great for slow and technical crawling but if I go to 3s or 4s it's amazing. Huge difference in how the motor performs. Hope this helped.

 

[NFA Fabrication]

200 miles an hour isn't an accurate comparison in the least I'd say... 20mph on a truck this size would probably be the equivalent of highway speeds.

Yeah, You're right, I was just using silly math. But your general estimate is probably more accurate than lets say.. MATH.:ror:

 

[AsILayDying]

Yeah, You're right, I was just using silly math. But your general estimate is probably more accurate than lets say.. MATH.:ror:

Lol math calculations.

1/10 size vehicle
20 scale speed would be like a Wrangler Unlimited doing 200 MPH down the trail.

1/10 x 20mph = 200mph in scale. I haven't really done math so I may be wrong,

 

[Zeus.:God]

Yeah, You're right, I was just using silly math. But your general estimate is probably more accurate than lets say.. MATH.:ror:

And I'm guessing that means this 10th scale truck will react the same to steering input and terrain at 20mph as a full size truck would at 200? Doubtful. Just because the basic "math" based solely on size works doesn't mean that both objects are affected by the same factors.

 

[AsILayDying]

And I'm guessing that means this 10th scale truck will react the same to steering input and terrain at 20mph as a full size truck would at 200? Doubtful. Just because the basic "math" based solely on size works doesn't mean that both objects are affected by the same factors.

An SCX10 reacts like pure dog crap at 20 MPH. Unless you have it setup NOT like a scale truck. The scale speed is directly proportionate to scale suspension and weight distribution or vehicles balance. I know my Scale Cherokee is kind of top heavy, but it's all right with me because I know it handles like a real truck. And I have all the scale items as it would be in the 1:1. I'm not trying to do even 100mph scale speed on the trail with my rig. It's just not realistic so therefor it's not setup to do it. If I wanted to do 200 scale mph's in the woods I have my Platinum Slash 4x4 to do it with. Lol

Good luck and happy holidays.

 

[Mud Puppy]

I stuck a 17 turn racer can in my scx-10 one time just for giggles (3s lipo). The truck did this funny sort of spinning flip as it lept into the air nose-up and and rotated 720 degrees.

 

[NFA Fabrication]

An SCX10 reacts like pure dog crap at 20 MPH. Unless you have it setup NOT like a scale truck. The scale speed is directly proportionate to scale suspension and weight distribution or vehicles balance. I know my Scale Cherokee is kind of top heavy, but it's all right with me because I know it handles like a real truck. And I have all the scale items as it would be in the 1:1. I'm not trying to do even 100mph scale speed on the trail with my rig. It's just not realistic so therefor it's not setup to do it. If I wanted to do 200 scale mph's in the woods I have my Platinum Slash 4x4 to do it with. Lol

Good luck and happy holidays.

Nice, I have the base Slash 4x4 for my speed bashing needs.