mustang getting a 4cyl turbo model?

[binaryterror]

A 250hp 4CYL Mustang is retarded. The current NA 6'er gets like 30mpg and has 305hp, I realy dont see the need to change the base model format.

Have you seen the newest Federal Emissions laws? Average of 40mpg...not sure how a v6 making only 30mpg is going to help Ford.

But, they say boosted small displacement engines are going to replace everything.

They should, turbos add power without affecting efficiency like a supercharger does. Trying to hit 40mpg is going to be tough and the only answer and to keep people excited about cars and power levels is Turbos.

 

[RANOVRU]

Have you seen the newest Federal Emissions laws? Average of 40mpg...not sure how a v6 making only 30mpg is going to help Ford.

No I hadnt. There are a TON of cars that dont hit that benchmark though, even "economy" cars. 30mpg from a 305hp V6 just goes to show how far things have come, thats all I was saying. The V6s from latter years didnt even get 20mpg and were gutless.

They should, turbos add power without affecting efficiency like a supercharger does. Trying to hit 40mpg is going to be tough and the only answer and to keep people excited about cars and power levels is Turbo Diesels.

Well I wont turn this into a SC v.s. T debate, or a "replacement for displacement" argument, but I respectfully disagree.:mrgreen:

Oh, I and fixed the last part for ya.;-)

 

[romulus22]

My take on the trend of cars of today. With the efficiency of the engines these days if the cars weren't tanks they would get amazing gas mileage.

Give me the option without all the safety bars and 12 airbags that weighs 800 lbs less. There's no reason the civics of the 80's and 90's can get the gas mileage they did then and we are just now getting back to those numbers now. I miss my gutted civic that ran 13's and averaged 35 mpg being driven like I was racing every where I went.

 

[dezfan]

Fawk 4 bangers, turbos, government MPG BS, and all that other crap. :roll:



Give me a mid 60s Chevelle w/ a modern V8 LS and I'm good. "thumbsup"

 

[EeePee]

True but have you seen a domestic car company build a turbo 4cyl worth the paper its drawn on?

Meh, not really.

 

[romulus22]

Meh, not really.

He said domestic not Mitsubishi

 

[racerfred]

Isn't that a rebadged Mazda 323 turbo?
Just like the Dodge Stealth!

 

[racerfred]

GLH... goes like heck

 

[Crawlernoobie]

Mustangs in the 80s did come with a 4banger turbo and they were fast... well his was do to some turbo mods and a few other things.

 

[dkf]

No I hadnt. There are a TON of cars that dont hit that benchmark though, even "economy" cars. 30mpg from a 305hp V6 just goes to show how far things have come, thats all I was saying. The V6s from latter years didnt even get 20mpg and were gutless.

It is a fleet mpg average.

Here is some reading....
Corporate Average Fuel Economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[BJoe]

Meh, not really.

He said domestic not Mitsubishi

That is a Domestic, built by Chrysler right here in Illinois at the same plant that built the Neon and will be building the new Dart. The engine also was an Domestic engine, but the turbocharger was a Garrett and some of the electronics were Bosch"thumbsup"

 

[RANOVRU]

It is a fleet mpg average.

Here is some reading....
Corporate Average Fuel Economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh I knew what he was talking about, I just dont keep up with it.

My statement still stands. There is absolutely no way that standard is being met. It may be there bbut just look around at whats on the road.

Its just another way for the govt to get coin from the auto makers. I wonder where it will stop. In 2030 will it be 100mpg?

Nah...we'll have flying cars by then.

 

[romulus22]

That is a Domestic, built by Chrysler right here in Illinois at the same plant that built the Neon and will be building the new Dart. The engine also was an Domestic engine, but the turbocharger was a Garrett and some of the electronics were Bosch"thumbsup"

I can't argue facts and what you said is probably 100% correct. But the GLH came out right in the prime of the DSM era where dodge and mits became partners or whatever car company's do.

Dodge conquest- Mitsubishi starion= same car

EDIT: that was me saying I don't know much about the car at all I figured it was a Mitsubishi Chrysler child

 

[Zod Rhombus]

The Omni predates the Starion era. Its design comes from the late 70s right before Iococca and Co. bailed out Chrysler. At that time Mistu was importing Challengers, Plymouth Arrows and Sapporos since it had no dealer network to speak of. Its been known as a VW Rabbit knockoff yet all American.

The Omni/Charger was produced up till the late 80s, ending up in the super rare intercooled Shelby GLH-S versions. That one was a Turbo II 2.2 cast iron block with Mahle pistons.

The only Mitsu badge-engineered platforms at that time were the Colt, Ram 50 and Conquest. Mitsubishi later provided V6s for most Chryslers including the Shadow, minivans, Spirit and such.

 

[BJoe]

The Omni predates the Starion era. Its design comes from the late 70s right before Iococca and Co. bailed out Chrysler. At that time Mistu was importing Challengers, Plymouth Arrows and Sapporos since it had no dealer network to speak of. Its been known as a VW Rabbit knockoff yet all American.

The Omni/Charger was produced up till the late 80s, ending up in the super rare intercooled Shelby GLH-S versions. That one was a Turbo II 2.2 cast iron block with Mahle pistons.

The only Mitsu badge-engineered platforms at that time were the Colt, Ram 50 and Conquest. Mitsubishi later provided V6s for most Chryslers including the Shadow, minivans, Spirit and such.

Don't forget the 2.6l I-4 too, think the minivans and some of the K-Cars got stuck with that motor. Later on the last FWD Avengers, and Stratus/Sebring Coupes were built by Mitsubishi in Norm, IL and the 2.5l V-6's in the "Cloud Cars" and Sebring convertibles were also Mitsubishi.

 

[foproy]

the fiesta is a 4 banger and top gear seemed to love it.

 

[sloppy]

The Omni predates the Starion era. Its design comes from the late 70s right before Iococca and Co. bailed out Chrysler. At that time Mistu was importing Challengers, Plymouth Arrows and Sapporos since it had no dealer network to speak of. Its been known as a VW Rabbit knockoff yet all American.

The Omni/Charger was produced up till the late 80s, ending up in the super rare intercooled Shelby GLH-S versions. That one was a Turbo II 2.2 cast iron block with Mahle pistons.

The only Mitsu badge-engineered platforms at that time were the Colt, Ram 50 and Conquest. Mitsubishi later provided V6s for most Chryslers including the Shadow, minivans, Spirit and such.

You forgot the dodge Raider..

 

[Zod Rhombus]

Don't forget the 2.6l I-4 too, think the minivans and some of the K-Cars got stuck with that motor. Later on the last FWD Avengers, and Stratus/Sebring Coupes were built by Mitsubishi in Norm, IL and the 2.5l V-6's in the "Cloud Cars" and Sebring convertibles were also Mitsubishi.

Wasn't the 2.6 motor built from a forklift motor? That's what I always heard. HAHA. I forgot the Montero/Dodge Raider used it as well as the old RWD Galant variants (Fire Arrow, Challenger, Sapporo). I know the motor holding together was always the weak link in the Conquest. And a shame too - for all that car's faults, it had a fun, unpolished punk attitude to it.

 

[BJoe]

Wasn't the 2.6 motor built from a forklift motor? That's what I always heard. HAHA. I forgot the Montero/Dodge Raider used it as well as the old RWD Galant variants (Fire Arrow, Challenger, Sapporo). I know the motor holding together was always the weak link in the Conquest. And a shame too - for all that car's faults, it had a fun, unpolished punk attitude to it.

Don't know about being a forklift motor (didn't mitsubishi make those too?) but I do beleive they were used in the trucks and I seem to remember that the turbo'd car ones were not the most reliable (the same could be said for the 2.2/2.5 Turbo's too, but I had more rust and young and dumb problems with those when I did have issues) and I thought the 3.0l motors had oil burning issues too.

 

[ColquittCustom405]

Wheres Stang' when you need him? I need him to confirm or deny this.