New class to encourage newbs..

[4x4Ric]

Really there is no need for another class. It is not a life or death situation. If you can't handle going to a comp and knowing that there is a good chance that you will not do well, you should probably just stay at home.

see its attitudes like this, that will make the new people stay away, make a lot of new people not want, to even show up....

Whats going to happen when all you "pros" stop playing, stop going to these comps ???

The way I see it, (and just my .02) this R/C world is so much like the world of real 4wheeling/off-roading, there will always, be people that think, "go big or go home" have that attitude of, if you cant run with the big dogs, then stay home, but on the flip side, there are some groups that dont really care what you drive, its about the driver, its about having fun, welcoming new people into the sport....

This a very fun, and addicting hobby, that with the right people/group, can be soo much fun, something that families can do together, meet new people and make new friends.
You shoudnt elimnate or look down on others just cause they are new, may not have the money into a toy that you do, I think everyone, should be included, yes there should be a newbie class, a beginner class what ever you want to call it, this IMHO will help the sport/hobby do nothing but grow "thumbsup"

 

[articzap]

You can't go to a comp expecting to win. The reasons we goto these comps is to have fun. Where you finish makes no difference. The usual finishing order will always be close to the same.

 

[Robbob]

see its attitudes like this, that will make the new people stay away, make a lot of new people not want, to even show up....

Whats going to happen when all you "pros" stop playing, stop going to these comps ???

The way I see it, (and just my .02) this R/C world is so much like the world of real 4wheeling/off-roading, there will always, be people that think, "go big or go home" have that attitude of, if you cant run with the big dogs, then stay home, but on the flip side, there are some groups that dont really care what you drive, its about the driver, its about having fun, welcoming new people into the sport....

This a very fun, and addicting hobby, that with the right people/group, can be soo much fun, something that families can do together, meet new people and make new friends.
You shoudnt elimnate or look down on others just cause they are new, may not have the money into a toy that you do, I think everyone, should be included, yes there should be a newbie class, a beginner class what ever you want to call it, this IMHO will help the sport/hobby do nothing but grow "thumbsup"

But are we suppose to hold peoples hands or let the take responsibility for their own decisions? It's not others who have to choose how far that person wants to take rock crawling. Just like racing, if you want to do better you have to put effort into it.

The drivers like you described are what we don't need but we also don't need extra classes to pamper to people who get butt hurt when they lose.

I see more driver support in this community then I ever saw in the racing scene and I traveled backed then.

When I started oval racing over 15 years ago I sucked. I lost every time, I broke a lot of stuff. Did I ask for a new class? No I buckled down and practiced, learned and practiced more. When I got good I helped other people.

Same thing with crawling. I broke links, axles and lost every time. I didn't ask for another course or more time. I sucked it up and practiced more. Read forums, asked questions and worked to get to the level I'm at.

I'm still far from the levels these guys are at, I learn things everyday. I want to run with the big dogs and know I will lose.

I saw it in oval and I got out then. People cry this big dog nonsense and classes got formed. Next thing you know those losing are still losing and hey guess what. Yup now the whole thing starts over.

If you come into this expecting to win your first time your setting yourself up for disappointment. This is a hobby/sport for fun that egos always seem to get hurt.

As much as you'd like to see everyone happy it will not happen. But the answer to growth is not holding everyone's hands and making sure everyone gets a lollipop for losing.

The 2.2s class was needed but it was created for the right reasons. The only way a new class like a rtr or box stock would work is if manufacturers stepped in and supplied the trucks like Axial did at the scale comp couple years ago.

But then your just gonna get people saying they lost because the guy before him ran first.

It's good seeing discussions like this though because it really shows the passion people have for wanting to see things grow and get better.


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[4x4Ric]

I guess the point Im trying to make is that, if the R/C comp community wants to gain more people, to bring in new people, IMHO there should be a beginners class of some sort. I use to race motocycles, when I started racing, I raced in the novice class, (never took a 1st place) but was a great starting point, everything had to be stock, making it somewhat fair, and much easier for new people to start in the sport, I dont race anymore but have friends that still do, though they have moved up in class lol.

Most of the people Ive meet so far, just want to do this for fun, they aint looking to get into the compitition thing, they just want to wheel or drive these things, what ever ya call it lol

I just want to wheel this thing and have fun, I dont care about winning/losing, dont care about points, I just want to go and have fun.

 

[The Doc]

The reason people where I'm at lost the comp thing is because it became a money game, you had to spend more and more money to just try to keep up with the better drivers. A lot went to scale rigs and say they have alot!! more fun doing that. I use to comp and yea I never won or even placed it the top 10 out of say... 40/50 peolpe, I had to run against people like Jake (del-monte) he's a great driver and theres a lot more who are, I had a blast but lost interest. I knew I didn't have a chance but still did it. Now at scaling like some one said, you all run the same line with almost the same type of rig and I never hear anyone complain about others spending the money on there's, people have rigs like mine and some have stockers and everyone has a blast. People never go home disapointed, they can't wait for the next scale run.

I also race in Pro 4 and expert SC and you know what....we are also loosing the new people and why....its because just what some of you are saying, we have changed the rules so many times in racing that it keeps the new guys out of it. (bigger motors/ esc's etc) So we lost our stock class's...because they didn't have or didn't want to spend the money to run with us, so if we don't have class's for the new guys then the sport is loosing out... The track I race at brought back the stock slash class and guess what, we are now starting to get back the people that left, because they can go buy a rtr and come out and race it and just have fun!!. Dont forget WE...all started in the stock class, those of us who race. We need to keep this sport going. That's what I see going on.

 

[ignorant_newb]

Sorry to hijack here but you guys seem "connected" within the sport so I'm gonna ask since you guys are following this thread.

Do you guys know of good people to crawl with in Cincinnati OH?

I have looked in the Ohio and Kentucky section and posted in the "old" threads but nobody has replied making me think they have got out of the sport. The last time someone posted was like a year ago in some of them.

I really want to get into this and learn from the guys that know what's up. The forum community is great for that but in person is always better.

Thanks

 

[project_mayhem]

I was going to race short course trucks this last summer. I went to the first stock truck race. I had it for a day before the race, and expected to do poorly. I had a blast, but didn't come back. The reason I didn't bother, was because the track was designed for 1/8th scale buggies and truggies. There were huge jumps that would destroy my truck. I could only make a couple doubles on the track. It wasn't suited for a stock class, or short course trucks. I didn't want to race 1/8th nitro for many reasons, so I just didn't bother. Bought a ridgecrest, and I've been collecting rocks since, lol. Even started building my own crawlers.

Lots of things encourage people to stick around. Welcoming people to the sport is a good start, and mentoring new guys really helps. Making things like alternative gates, or a couple painted rocks to put in certain spots as aids, would really help new guys build confidence and stick around.

 

[Manning]

If a new guy actually goes to a comp, wants to learn, and gets blown off by the club, then that's the club's problem. This should be able to be fixed. The club should accommodate the new guys and be flexible. Have a newbie class. Not that hard. Not really a national level issue.

If a new guy buys a ton of new top of the line equipment, and goes to his first comp expecting to win, then that's his problem. This is tough to fix.

 

[4x4Ric]

And for the win...

If a new guy actually goes to a comp, wants to learn, and gets blown off by the club, then that's the club's problem. This should be able to be fixed. The club should accommodate the new guys and be flexible. Have a newbie class. Not that hard. Not really a national level issue.

If a new guy buys a ton of new top of the line equipment, and goes to his first comp expecting to win, then that's his problem. This is tough to fix.

If only it was that easy lol

 

[opek]

But are we suppose to hold peoples hands or let the take responsibility for their own decisions? It's not others who have to choose how far that person wants to take rock crawling. Just like racing, if you want to do better you have to put effort into it.

The drivers like you described are what we don't need but we also don't need extra classes to pamper to people who get butt hurt when they lose.

I see more driver support in this community then I ever saw in the racing scene and I traveled backed then.

When I started oval racing over 15 years ago I sucked. I lost every time, I broke a lot of stuff. Did I ask for a new class? No I buckled down and practiced, learned and practiced more. When I got good I helped other people.

Same thing with crawling. I broke links, axles and lost every time. I didn't ask for another course or more time. I sucked it up and practiced more. Read forums, asked questions and worked to get to the level I'm at.

I'm still far from the levels these guys are at, I learn things everyday. I want to run with the big dogs and know I will lose.

I saw it in oval and I got out then. People cry this big dog nonsense and classes got formed. Next thing you know those losing are still losing and hey guess what. Yup now the whole thing starts over.

If you come into this expecting to win your first time your setting yourself up for disappointment. This is a hobby/sport for fun that egos always seem to get hurt.

As much as you'd like to see everyone happy it will not happen. But the answer to growth is not holding everyone's hands and making sure everyone gets a lollipop for losing.

The 2.2s class was needed but it was created for the right reasons. The only way a new class like a rtr or box stock would work is if manufacturers stepped in and supplied the trucks like Axial did at the scale comp couple years ago.

But then your just gonna get people saying they lost because the guy before him ran first.

It's good seeing discussions like this though because it really shows the passion people have for wanting to see things grow and get better.


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I'd donate/pay in 50 dollars to my local club at the beginning of a season as part of the purchase of some indestructible and poorly set up truck that we all take turns competing with. :lmao:

 

[Charlie-III]

Here's a thought.....instead of us "comp guys" saying what WE think is the issue, how about the "new guys" say, "Here is why I don't go to comps!!"?????

:roll::roll:

Just a thought.8)

So, I asked..... http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/newbie-general/412188-why-i-dont-go-comps-not-looking-comp-guy-replies.html

I'm interested to see what comes out of it.

 

[C*H*U*D]

Here's a thought.....instead of us "comp guys" saying what WE think is the issue, how about the "new guys" say, "Here is why I don't go to comps!!"?????

:roll::roll:

Just a thought.8)

So, I asked..... http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/newb...nt-go-comps-not-looking-comp-guy-replies.html

I'm interested to see what comes out of it.

I wouldn't mind seeing a follow up to that thread titled, "Why I DO go to comps". Maybe if new drivers saw the reasons for going, and what they can expect, they will be more inclined to try it out.

 

[hbj069]

From what I have seen in the past 4-5 years, I have witness many people spend thousands of dollars and simply lose interest because they didnt go to finals or win the first few comps, Fortunately I was told about how many years it would take until I started doing well and they were pretty close although I am still learning and losing!!

I like chatting with people to find out why they quit etc and have found that most quitters are seeking the instant gratification most testosterone driven males want and dont have the patience needed to learn this hobby.

I spent several dollars building rigs over the years and finally concluded that I could do much better concentrating my efforts on driving and building a rig that has a proven record, Now I dont have all the newest bling available but I am still having a blast competing and knowing that someday I will be up there with them big name drivers and still having fun.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

If a new guy actually goes to a comp, wants to learn, and gets blown off by the club, then that's the club's problem. This should be able to be fixed. The club should accommodate the new guys and be flexible. Have a newbie class. Not that hard. Not really a national level issue.

If a new guy buys a ton of new top of the line equipment, and goes to his first comp expecting to win, then that's his problem. This is tough to fix.

Exactly. What is needed is not a new class, just better accomodation and support and encouragement from the existing members.

Not saying that all clubs have such an issue...

 

[JeremyH]

Exactly. What is needed is not a new class, just better accomodation and support and encouragement from the existing members.

Our club has realized that in the past few seasons. We tried a few different things to help accommodate the wide range of skill levels and truck setup levels. What we found that works well is focusing on the way the courses were setup.

Using progressively harder gates on a course. This lets guys get through a good portion of the course before they begin to have troubles.

Making the course gates fairly easy with harder bonus gates. This lets the newer, less experienced guys (or those with less capable trucks) still complete the course, while the hardcore guys know that they MUST do the bonus gates if they plan to win.

These two things really help encourage the new guys. It's a fun thing to watch a guy finish his first course! "thumbsup"

 

[Charlie-III]

I wouldn't mind seeing a follow up to that thread titled, "Why I DO go to comps". Maybe if new drivers saw the reasons for going, and what they can expect, they will be more inclined to try it out.

I thought that is part of what we're doing in this thread??:shock:

:lmao::lmao:

It is interesting to see some of the replies in the other thread, lots of common issues, but some new ones as well.

I'm glad my son & I comp with GSRCRC & EPARCC, both groups have been great. They are helpful to newbs, willing to look things over & give ideas on rigs, helpful hints on courses, etc. I know a couple of our usual course builders make "staged" courses, start easy but get harder.

Some course builders start medium to hard and get to impossible for "normal people":lmao::lmao:.

The Rausch Creek comps have been great as well, it's a good place to go at least once.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

see its attitudes like this, that will make the new people stay away, make a lot of new people not want, to even show up....

Whats going to happen when all you "pros" stop playing, stop going to these comps ???

The way I see it, (and just my .02) this R/C world is so much like the world of real 4wheeling/off-roading, there will always, be people that think, "go big or go home" have that attitude of, if you cant run with the big dogs, then stay home, but on the flip side, there are some groups that dont really care what you drive, its about the driver, its about having fun, welcoming new people into the sport....

This a very fun, and addicting hobby, that with the right people/group, can be soo much fun, something that families can do together, meet new people and make new friends.
You shoudnt elimnate or look down on others just cause they are new, may not have the money into a toy that you do, I think everyone, should be included, yes there should be a newbie class, a beginner class what ever you want to call it, this IMHO will help the sport/hobby do nothing but grow "thumbsup"

Holy hell, I missed this one. Fear not...I shall retort post haste!

Firstly, I do not have an attitude other than you should expect to receive only what you deserve. Meaning, if you suck at crawling, you aren't going to place well, nor should you expect to.

Secondly, I am far from a pro. I did poorly my first few comps, and only marginally better at the rest. I comp to have fun, not to prove to others how much of a bad ass I am at driving a toy truck.

Thirdly, I welcome anyone with a rig, and so did the clubs that I comped with. If I am "better" than anyone, it is because I did the work, and that means anyone has the capability to do the same.

Fourthly, there is a "noob" class. Some call it Sportsman. Local clubs can call it or handle it any way they want. There is no need for a nationalized set of rules for newcomers, other than to accept them and help them.

If a person wants to finish well, they need to drive well. To drive well, they need to either be naturally gifted or spend a whole lot of time achieving that goal, just like everyone else does.

 

[C*H*U*D]

I wouldn't mind seeing a follow up to that thread titled, "Why I DO go to comps".

I thought that is part of what we're doing in this thread??:shock:

:lmao::lmao:

Kind of, but not really. Many of us have come up with ideas on how to get more people to attend comps, but I haven't seen much as to why we go to comps. For example, here is my list:

1. Hanging out with local people sharing a common interest.
2. Testing my perceived abilities of my truck
3. Testing my own perceived driving abilities.
4. Enjoying some great scenery, a good hike and trigger time

My list is longer, but you get the point. I've been reading all of the posts in the "Why I don't comp" thread, and many of them center around a common unknown...that being, what can be expected if they show up. We can come up with all kinds of great ideas as to why they should, but if they are uncertain, we'll never get to meet them, and that is what we need to figure out.

 

[sidehiller]

What my local club has done with there sct racing to attract new people. They have gone around to local businesses looking for "sponsors" then they have club members build a decent truck and then custom paint the truck with what ever company sponsored it. Then new people can rent the truck for $5 they get it for the day to race with.
I understand this would take a great deal of support from members but I really like the idea. And am sure a club could do it for crawling also.

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[C*H*U*D]

What my local club has done with there sct racing to attract new people. They have gone around to local businesses looking for "sponsors" then they have club members build a decent truck and then custom paint the truck with what ever company sponsored it. Then new people can rent the truck for $5 they get it for the day to race with.
I understand this would take a great deal of support from members but I really like the idea. And am sure a club could do it for crawling also.

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That's actually a cool idea and something I want to do with the new Axial SCX Jeep. There have been a number of times I've been to a scaler comp and someone has brought a friend, brother, sister....I've even seen a mother show up once "thumbsup" None of them have a truck, and I've offered to let them try mine, but I think people are reluctant to break something that belongs to someone else. With the "loaner" SCX, maybe they would be more likely to try it.

And we all know what happens after the first time :ror: