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...So many Democrats are writing Trump off before he even takes oath. That's completely ignorant and counterproductive.

This is true, but don't forget how many Republicans were also vehemently against him during the primaries. Just because they changed their tunes after he won, doesn't change the fact that a lot of people on both sides just don't like him.

Many of you are making this sound like it's the left upset that the right won. It's not. People are upset because the thinnest skinned president any of us have seen, is about to take his Twitter account into the White House.

Personally I don't think it's good for one party to have control all the time. Both sides should have a say in our direction. If you're excited because conservatives are in charge then great...but to be excited to think our next president could go on a 3:00am Twitter rant??? No thanks.
 
BLM isn't what it started out to be, or at least public perception isn't what it once was. BLM still does good work, but they've become overrun with people doing messed up shit in their name. A good analog would be Occupy Wall Street. It started out as a peaceful protest, but by the time it worked it's way across the country the whole thing was overshadowed by those that took it as an opportunity to get violent.

This I disagree with. They were birthed from a lie(hands up, don't shoot BS). I don't think they ever wanted to do good, just want to make a scene. I say that because rarely do they look at the whole picture. They just see their side("oh he was such a good boy"...).Now, of course the idea of a justified shooting is highly subjective, but I believe they were all warranted. That doesn't mean I agree with each shooting, but I can see & understand why they did it, in most cases. I won't sit here & pretend to know what being in a confrontation like that is like...especially with the target of a police badge. I just try to imagine myself in the situation.

Another thing about them I don't like, is the lame excuse that is still being used...that it got people talking. I don't think so. I mean, sure it got some people talking for the moment. But the long game? Those people have been talking about. And trying to come up with solutions.
 
This is true, but don't forget how many Republicans were also vehemently against him during the primaries. Just because they changed their tunes after he won, doesn't change the fact that a lot of people on both sides just don't like him.



Many of you are making this sound like it's the left upset that the right won. It's not. People are upset because the thinnest skinned president any of us have seen, is about to take his Twitter account into the White House.



Personally I don't think it's good for one party to have control all the time. Both sides should have a say in our direction. If you're excited because conservatives are in charge then great...but to be excited to think our next president could go on a 3:00am Twitter rant??? No thanks.



I've seen a politician with much thinner skin. Fortunately, he's on the street tomorrow. 01/20/17, Independence day 2.0. A 3am twitter rant is way more than the cadaver some people call a president has done the last 8 years. ...but I digress.


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Well said. I have absolutely zero respect for the divider in chief or his wife. They are just bad people one end to the other. Not that they are evil like many others believe I simply think they are in way above their pay grade.

I agree to an extent. I don't think they're evil, but I definitely think there is a small bit of them that deliberately posed harm to our country. They feel we (America) "deserve" it.


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What really irks me about the missus...is her saying in '09 how for the first time she's proud of her country...then after this election how we suddenly have no hope...

This is true, but don't forget how many Republicans were also vehemently against him during the primaries. Just because they changed their tunes after he won, doesn't change the fact that a lot of people on both sides just don't like him.

Many of you are making this sound like it's the left upset that the right won. It's not. People are upset because the thinnest skinned president any of us have seen, is about to take his Twitter account into the White House.

Personally I don't think it's good for one party to have control all the time. Both sides should have a say in our direction. If you're excited because conservatives are in charge then great...but to be excited to think our next president could go on a 3:00am Twitter rant??? No thanks.

I think the reason Trump was/is so disliked among sitting politicans is the real threat he poses to their political lives. Here they have a guy, no sitting political experience to speak of, touting of term limits for Congress, "draining the swamp" & so on. And he beat out 10+ established politicians in a party he didn't even belong to. Biggest thing, he listened to us. He rode that wave all the way to the White House. Now we have to watch & pray that he remembers what he heard.
 
What really irks me about the missus...is her saying in '09 how for the first time she's proud of her country...then after this election how we suddenly have no hope...







I think the reason Trump was/is so disliked among sitting politicans is the real threat he poses to their political lives. Here they have a guy, no sitting political experience to speak of, touting of term limits for Congress, "draining the swamp" & so on. And he beat out 10+ established politicians in a party he didn't even belong to. Biggest thing, he listened to us. He rode that wave all the way to the White House. Now we have to watch & pray that he remembers what he heard.



Agreed. Both left and right, career politicians, are afraid of him. Those who claim to dislike the "establishment" should be thrilled.


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Agreed. Both left and right, career politicians, are afraid of him. Those who claim to dislike the "establishment" should be thrilled.

I'd be lyin' if I said that thought alone didn't make me giggle like a little girl.


But still, what a person says on the campaign trail and what a person does once they're in the captains seat are almost always two different things. My hopes aren't high, but there's nothing to do but wait and see...
 
Trump makes some extremely good points. Stuff I would gladly rally behind. I don't trust him enough to carry them through though, and the way he's filling his cabinet positions isn't helping.
Trump has executed a lot of successful plans in his life. I think, for that reason alone, he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

It didn't get worse, it got exposed more than it used to be. Race relations have never been "good", they just got shoved under the carpet. There are still plenty of racist groups kicking around, healthy as ever.
Race relations didn't get worse? I disagree with that and so do many polls in which both blacks and whites participated.

BLM isn't what it started out to be, or at least public perception isn't what it once was. BLM still does good work, but they've become overrun with people doing messed up shit in their name. A good analog would be Occupy Wall Street. It started out as a peaceful protest, but by the time it worked it's way across the country the whole thing was overshadowed by those that took it as an opportunity to get violent.
I can't agree with you that the BLM is or was ever anything good. One of their earliest, most publicized causes was when they sided with Michael Brown despite the facts. Right away they started the "Hands up don't shoot" BS despite evidence there was a struggle with the cop, despite the fact that Brown stole from a store earlier that same day, and despite his rap sheet. To them it was a black guy being shot by a white cop which helps their agenda. The facts are secondary to them.

Their mission, IMO, is not for equality. Did they mention anything about the four, racist, black adults that tortured the mentally handicapped white kid? Hell no. That wouldn't side with their racist agenda. Did the BLM ever denounce the Ferguson lootings after all of the racial hatred and tension caused by the BLM? Hell no.

This is true, but don't forget how many Republicans were also vehemently against him during the primaries. Just because they changed their tunes after he won, doesn't change the fact that a lot of people on both sides just don't like him.
In my opinion that's because both Democrats and Republicans alike are scared of Trump. They don't want an outsider breaking into their career politician clique. Trump is a rich, powerful man that doesn't need politics to make him wealthy, successful, or to make him somebody with a voice. I think they fear he could expose corruption, stop them from getting under the table handouts in exchange for permits, preferential treatment, etc.

Many of you are making this sound like it's the left upset that the right won. It's not. People are upset because the thinnest skinned president any of us have seen, is about to take his Twitter account into the White House.
Thin skin on Twitter is different than in the real world. Would he have become successful if he was so thin skinned? I don't think so.

Personally I don't think it's good for one party to have control all the time. Both sides should have a say in our direction. If you're excited because conservatives are in charge then great...but to be excited to think our next president could go on a 3:00am Twitter rant??? No thanks.
I agree, but you can't get anything done in the government unless one party has majority power. And the Democrats have held the seat of the President for 8 years so it's time for a Republican to have a chance.

What really irks me about the missus...is her saying in '09 how for the first time she's proud of her country...then after this election how we suddenly have no hope...
Exactly. She's scum like her husband. They have long preached acceptance and equality, but they have done nothing to make that happen. And when Trump came around acceptance and equality went out the window for them.

I think the reason Trump was/is so disliked among sitting politicans is the real threat he poses to their political lives. Here they have a guy, no sitting political experience to speak of, touting of term limits for Congress, "draining the swamp" & so on. And he beat out 10+ established politicians in a party he didn't even belong to. Biggest thing, he listened to us. He rode that wave all the way to the White House. Now we have to watch & pray that he remembers what he heard.
Bingo! "thumbsup"
 
And he beat out 10+ established politicians in a party he didn't even belong to.

That was simply poor strategy on the GOP's part. They stepped aside so he could hang himself, and waited too long to step back in.

And really, if any of them had any balls at all they could have ripped him several new assholes easily. The GOP lineup was less than stellar though. I was disappointed.

Biggest thing, he listened to us. He rode that wave all the way to the White House. Now we have to watch & pray that he remembers what he heard.

Of course he did. He's a salesman.
 
I'd be lyin' if I said that thought alone didn't make me giggle like a little girl.





But still, what a person says on the campaign trail and what a man does once he's in the captains seat are almost always two different things. My hopes aren't high, but there's nothing to do but wait and see...



I'd be lyin' if I said I was surprised you'd felt that way.

But, in all seriousness, skeptics have no choice but to wait and see. Pissin' and moanin' about it isn't gonna change anything. My message to lefties is put your "big boy" pants on, save face, buckle up and enjoy the ride like the grown-ups have been doing for the last eight years.


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Trump has executed a lot of successful plans in his life. I think, for that reason alone, he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Meh. It's easy when you're born a millionaire. Even easier when your dad leaves you a few hundred successful businesses when he dies.

And you do realize that the reason he hasn't had to pay taxes in a decade is because he screwed up bad enough to not have to pay taxes for a decade.

Race relations didn't get worse? I disagree with that and so do many polls in which both blacks and whites participated.

According to Trump, you can't believe the polls. Your comment holds no water. :ror:
 
Pissin' and moanin' about it isn't gonna change anything.

Yup. No point in wasting energy on things you can't change.

GOP and balls haven't gone together in the same sentence since the 60's at best. :lol:

I really enjoy watching educated and passionate people debate. Politics is not the place to see that. It's like watching 3rd graders flog each other with wet noodles.
 
Meh. It's easy when you're born a millionaire. Even easier when your dad leaves you a few hundred successful businesses when he dies.
He could have taken the easy, Kardashian-like or Paris Hilton-like path and did nothing with his life. Instead he became a successful business man and POTUS. I don't hold a rich upbringing or an inheritance of wealth against him.

Most importantly he wasn't born into politics. I'm all for limiting terms of every government position and getting rid of career politicians.

And you do realize that the reason he hasn't had to pay taxes in a decade is because he screwed up bad enough to not have to pay taxes for a decade.
I wish I would screw up as bad as Trump...


According to Trump, you can't believe the polls. Your comment holds no water. :ror:
Touche`. He's right, you know.
 
He could have taken the easy, Kardashian-like or Paris Hilton-like path and did nothing with his life. Instead he became a successful business man and POTUS. I don't hold a rich upbringing or an inheritance of wealth against him.

That has more to do with parenting and the instilled values.


I don't hold peoples upbringing or inherited wealth against them either. They don't really have a say in the matter. But measuring a persons success when they've got that big of a head start is not much of a measure at all. If it weren't for his wealth and influence, and he was just a regular jagoff like the rest of us, he'd have been homeless more than a couple of times.
 
Meh. It's easy when you're born a millionaire. Even easier when your dad leaves you a few hundred successful businesses when he dies.



And you do realize that the reason he hasn't had to pay taxes in a decade is because he screwed up bad enough to not have to pay taxes for a decade.







According to Trump, you can't believe the polls. Your comment holds no water. :ror:




That has more to do with parenting and the instilled values.





I don't hold peoples upbringing or inherited wealth against them either. They don't really have a say in the matter. But measuring a persons success when they've got that big of a head start is not much of a measure at all. If it weren't for his wealth and influence, and he was just a regular jagoff like the rest of us, he'd have been homeless more than a couple of times.



"Bitter, Party of one! Your table is ready!"


Re-read your posts. Each one contradicts the next. You bad-mouth Trump's "inheritance" in one post but then say "you dont hold it against him" in the next. You're completely passive-aggressive. The well known, but seldom mentioned, liberal inferiority complex is fully justified.


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"Bitter, Party of one! Your table is ready!"


Re-read your posts. Each one contradicts the next. You bad-mouth Trump's "inheritance" in one post but then say "you dont hold it against him" in the next. You're completely passive-aggressive. The well known, but seldom mentioned, liberal inferiority complex is fully justified.

I don't hold his wealth against him. I disagree with the portrayal that he scratched his way to success from almost nothing and that apart from the initial loan from his father, it was all due to hard work and an unbelievably high IQ. It wasn't.

It is very rare for people born into that kind of wealth to truly go broke like you or I would. Even the stupid and/or lazy ones have a crap load of assets to catch them when they fall. And he has fallen more than once. He claimed to have been "broke" after his bankruptcy, but still lived incredibly well for someone with no money.
 
It is very rare for people born into that kind of wealth to truly go broke like you or I would.


He estimates that his grandfather, who founded the John Forsyth Shirt Co, had a fortune of at least $70 million in today's dollars. But through a combination of bad decisions, bad luck, and alcohol dependency, the next generation squandered that money.
"I think about it all the time," says Lovell, a financial planner in Walnut Creek, California.
Indeed, 70% of wealthy families lose their wealth by the second generation, and a stunning 90% by the third, according to the Williams Group wealth consultancy.



70% of Rich Families Lose Their Wealth by the Second Generation | Money
 
I don't hold his wealth against him. I disagree with the portrayal that he scratched his way to success from almost nothing and that apart from the initial loan from his father, it was all due to hard work and an unbelievably high IQ. It wasn't.



It is very rare for people born into that kind of wealth to truly go broke like you or I would. Even the stupid and/or lazy ones have a crap load of assets to catch them when they fall. And he has fallen more than once. He claimed to have been "broke" after his bankruptcy, but still lived incredibly well for someone with no money.



"Broke"? Like Hillary and "Slick Willie" claimed to be after they left the Whitehouse?

"You have no reason to remember, but we came out of the White House not only dead broke, but in debt"

-Hillary Clinton 2014

Keep digging.




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