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Pro Scooter (kick type)

You apparently need to be right about this, but your argument can be used about anything as stated before.

Zeus.:God said:
Anything can be made expensive. I've seen what these do, and its not really news to me, but the cost is. Never really looked into it before so that much of an investment in something that is still produced with what appears to be aluminum plate/tubing with 4 bearings and a few machined collars. I would expect to pay that much for something with a lot of billet/fancy parts, where as these look to be "entry level" for scooters in general. All I'm really saying is, the markup on these has got to be insanely high.

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What are the bars made out of, Sled?
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Duuuuuuuude said:
There is way more to building these than you are taking into consideration.

Materials are the cheapest part of the equation.

Its not like all the aluminum bits show up at the door and machine and anodize and assemble and test and drive themselves to retail and customer locations. You have to buy equipment and pay people to operate them. You have to pay for a building for that equipment and those people to work in. You have to spend valuable time and money setting up an efficient assembly process. You have to pay people to answer phones, keep track of inventory, take and place orders, interact with customers, design, advertise, deal with vendors, do your taxes, do your payroll, make sure you comply with state and federal business standards, maintain your building, handle your shipping.....

Do I need to go on?
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Which is the whole subject of my posts. Materials. That's all I'm talking about.

corkysk8 said:
You apparently need to be right about this, but your argument can be used about anything as stated before.
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I don't need to be right about anything. I'm stating that these things don't cost an established manufacturer that much to produce as well as the fact that there is obviously a considerable markup on the the two scooters posted. Moving off of just materials alone, how much would you say these manufacturers have put into one of the two scooters posted in the OP- labor hours, R&D, and materials? I'm going to say not anywhere near 450 dollars.

I'd be interested in seeing how a cheapo scooter like a Razor would compare to a higher end, and what kind of money would be needed to bump that low end scooter up to snuff.
 
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Zeus.:God said:
Which is the whole subject of my posts. Materials. That's all I'm talking about.
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No its not. You're complaining about an insanely high markup on something that you think costs no more than $150 total to build.

Tell you what, go get the raw materials and build a pro-level scooter. If you can do it and spend no more than $149.99, I'll pay you double what you spent.
 
Duuuuuuuude said:
No its not. You're complaining about an insanely high markup on something that you think costs no more than $150 total to build.

Tell you what, go get the raw materials and build a pro-level scooter. If you can do it and spend no more than $149.99, I'll pay you double what you spent.
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Who are you to tell me what I'm saying? :roll: I'm pretty sure I mentioned materials and sourced parts can't cost more than 150 bucks. If I need to clarify, I'll do that now- that's my estimate for your average, entry level "pro" scooter. Go make one out of Magnesium and Titanium and guess what, you've got a 1200 dollar scooter, right? What I see is these things are made out of aluminum tube and plate (59Sled says the bars are not, so what, steel? Even cheaper.), no machined parts to speak of aside from clamps/collars which may or may not be sourced, basic design, bearings and some urethane wheels, both of which are also probably sourced by the original manufacturer. Razor sells fixed bar scooters for 60 bucks. I bet you I could modify one of those to compete with a high dollar scooter for a fraction of the price, even if I have to weld in a bit of fresh material. As far as design is concerned, in the OP's words, no one is reinventing the wheel here. R&D is mostly for finding better materials, not some radically new or fresh design.

And what is there to complain about? I'm not the one spending money on these things.

Say what you want, misconstrue what I say- whatever, I'm not going to continue arguing over a damn scooter. :ror:
 
You can not scoot on raw materials.

Razor makes a pro level scooter and it retails around $140 for the deck alone.

The computer &/or assembled computer parts you are typing on are probably marked up more than these scooters.

Zeus.:God said:
Which is the whole subject of my posts. Materials. That's all I'm talking about.



I don't need to be right about anything. I'm stating that these things don't cost an established manufacturer that much to produce as well as the fact that there is obviously a considerable markup on the the two scooters posted. Moving off of just materials alone, how much would you say these manufacturers have put into one of the two scooters posted in the OP- labor hours, R&D, and materials? I'm going to say not anywhere near 450 dollars.

I'd be interested in seeing how a cheapo scooter like a Razor would compare to a higher end, and what kind of money would be needed to bump that low end scooter up to snuff.
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The bars are chromolly with a couple of bends in them. Then powdered coated. They run in the ball park of $65-$90. More for the oversized bars.

My kids had the Razor ultra pro. It was $99 for a complete scooter. But it had thin threaded forks, plastic wheels, non sealed headset and crappy rattling brake.
Which my older kid bent the forks, cracked the rear wheel, and the clamp could not keep the headset tight.
So there is a difference of the higher end to Razor.

Part of the issue might be these are all small individual company's starting up to make these parts. Which leads to a little higher price.

One example is aluminum wheels. Most wheels are $30-$45 a wheel for the best ones (Proto or Epic's). Then there is a Chinese company making cheap aluminum metal core wheels for $30 for 2.
 
corkysk8 said:
You can not scoot on raw materials.

Razor makes a pro level scooter and it retails around $140 for the deck alone.

The computer &/or assembled computer parts you are typing on are probably marked up more than these scooters.
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Is this really who I was arguing with? Jeez... :lmao:

I build computers on a regular basis, trust me I know there can be huge markup, though there is definitely a LOT more R&D and initial investment in pretty much ANY electronic device than there is in these scooters.

Can't scoot on raw materials? Certainly can- it's called snow boarding. :flipoff:

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Seriously this time, I'm done.
 
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No. You where correcting our misunderstanding of your ignorance about the topic.

I was sure hoping you would build a pro level scooter and put a lighting bolt on it. :flipoff:

You should help you home land out with that debt crisis.:flipoff:

Snowboarding is another sport you would not understand the cost of, but I am sure you could do everything about it better and for less money.:flipoff:

Zeus.:God said:
Is this really who I was arguing with? Jeez... :lmao:

I build computers on a regular basis, trust me I know there can be huge markup, though there is definitely a LOT more R&D and initial investment in pretty much ANY electronic device than there is in these scooters.

Can't scoot on raw materials? Certainly can- it's called snow boarding. :flipoff:

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Seriously this time, I'm done.
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I hope he's aware that post doesn't count towards his 30 he needs for classified section access. :mrgreen:
 
I missed this when it was posted but am glad I ran across it now. I always hated little kids on razors in neighborhoods but had no idea it had evolved into this.

Thanks to the OP for shedding some light for me. Those vids were pretty awesome.


It's like the bastard child of snow boarding, skate boarding and bmx.
 
Man what a old post. My older kid is now driving and hasn't touched the scooter in years.
Not sure if the scooters are popular anymore. Been out of it for a few years.
But does seem that I see more kids on skateboards these days.
 
Well, sometimes materials are an important part of your investments to the machine. Sure, if you live in the region where rain is a surprise and all the time is the sun not hot as hell but comfortable, you can make a vehicle from good paper (I actually saw a man that did that). It will be like super cheap but What will it worth when the rain start? So, think ahead on all of the details. The best balance of price and quality that I found is propanescooters. Check it out, maybe that is a good idea for you too.
 
I know this is an old topic but it seems like a crazy debate coming from guys who have no problem buying a rtr truck for $350 then dumping $1500 into it to replace every part it came with. Not saying I dont do the same, just when you have a hobby you are passionate about money doesnt matter as much. Look at the people that spend $2500 on a pair of sneakers or $800 for a pair of pants. What do you think the markup on that crap is!??

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I think some of you would crap your pants on how much I have in my oldschool JMC (BMX bike)
 
^^I was just about to mention that the people shitting their pants over a $400 scooter would have a heart attack if they every priced a nice bicycle. My MTB blue books for more than the truck that's hauling it. :mrgreen:
 
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