Shafty Vs Moa

[setecastronomy]

I'm a long term TLT crawler owner and only recently I bought a Xr10. I'm slowly learning how to drive the new Moa crawler and due to my past experience I'm still more comfortable with the TLT.
I wonder if there are racing paths where a shafty 2.2 crawler can prove to be superior to a 2.2 Moa. And if you believe it is possible how would you create that path ? To put it with other words are there situations or terrains where a shafty performs better than a Moa ?

Thanks
Filippo

 

[AX10wannabe]

all my friends and i run shaftys (ax10) and we're all pretty close with scores on the scoresheet, then a guy showed up with an xr10 (moa) with dig and it steers way better in the tight stuff then us because of the front dig..

we are having a small spring fling type of gtg in april for the last indoor crawl of the winter and the guy with the xr10 is showing up, there is cash prices and stuff but we told him that he has to "dial down" his rig so he's closer to our level. the good thing about an moa is that you can proportion the axles and dial it down... on our little course which is technical but us shafty guys are in the mid 20 point mark and the xr10 is like a 2 point run.. :shock:

in my opinion there is no way a shafty like the ax10 can keep up to an MOA.

 

[Charlie-III]

With well set up rigs, it is more driver than anything.
The 2 biggest advantages a MOA tends to have are:
-Lower CG
-No torque twist

From what I've seen in comps, MOA tends to have an advantage in everything compared to a shafty. Pretty much everyone has switched to MOA although we do have one club member that runs a well set up shafty and he places well.

 

[AgentXTC]

In my local club, the guys I'm up against are all MOA (except 1 and myself). Last comp (my first), I placed 4th of 5. If I had dig on my AX10 (which is on it's way now), I would have placed better as the last course was impossible without dig. A lot of it is driver skill, there's no reason a well equipped shafty can't beat a well equipper moa. Hopefully I'll be able to prove this next weekend.

 

[hoghead5150]

at our comps we run the sportsman rigs (shafty's) on the same course we run the pro class rigs. it happens time and time again that people score better in the sportsman class than the pro class. i did it this weekend. scored quite a bit better with the sportsman than the pro rig. i find that i will try different (and harder) lines with the pro rigs because they seem more capable, and with the shafty i can still make the same gates, just different lines. i know for a fact that a couple guys in our group can take my sportsman rig and score tons better than i could ever get with a moa rig. the driver has alot to do with it.

 

[holycaveman]

There are courses where a shafty shines. There are drivers who can take a shafty and beat you and your moa.

But once moa drivers learn how to use rear dig instead of playing with their motor bias.......its all over.

 

[alexchen86]

I can't think of any scenario where a shafty will beat out an MOA...at least on our types of courses down here. The only way is if the MOA driver was new or if his rig was not setup properly compared to a seasoned driver behind a dialed in shafty. I never got too competitive enough to get an MOA rig due to work and less time now so I'm satisfied tinkering with my sportsman shafty and scalers.

...not to say one of these days if I come across a nice set of berg axles I might make the switch!

 

[holycaveman]

I can't think of any scenario where a shafty will beat out an MOA...at least on our types of courses down here. The only way is if the MOA driver was new or if his rig was not setup properly compared to a seasoned driver behind a dialed in shafty. I never got too competitive enough to get an MOA rig due to work and less time now so I'm satisfied tinkering with my sportsman shafty and scalers.

...not to say one of these days if I come across a nice set of berg axles I might make the switch!

Go with bullies. 1/4 the cost and stronger."thumbsup"