GodSpeed999
Quarry Creeper
Can anyone confirm if the FI Spools are phased or not?
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Tell me about Spool Lockers
- Thread starter GodSpeed999
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The FI spool is "in phase".
Our center slot goes all the way through and is created in a single operation to ensure this.
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Thanks guys
GodSpeed999
Quarry Creeper
Thanks for the response. "thumbsup"
Now to see what the LHS carries....unless you want to help me out directly with shipping to Canada?
Now to see what the LHS carries....unless you want to help me out directly with shipping to Canada?
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We do ship straight to Canada.
(Our most recently added Team Driver is up there too)
And if your local shop does not have our stuff, have them contact us to get setup:
https://lockeduprc.3dcartstores.com/crm.asp?action=contactus
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johnnyh66
Scale Detail Engineering
Also, in our rc application
Spools: The axle shafts have a little bit of play in the spool. They can slide in and out which makes maintenance a bit easier but does have some slop in the drive train (still less than stock Axial)
Lockers: Clamp on the axle shafts generally via set screws or a tang. They eliminate all slop in that particular spot. Downside's are must be unlocked for maintenance (a bigger deal for scx10 axles) and if a set screw comes loose, you're in 3wd or 2wd until you can open the axle and tighten them back up.
Gripfab and I had worked on a locking spool... best of both worlds.
It had the tight tolerance of a spool so you would never be in 3wd/2wd even if the set screw came loose and there was zero slop because of the set screws.
Unfortunately, he only made a very small run of them...
Spools: The axle shafts have a little bit of play in the spool. They can slide in and out which makes maintenance a bit easier but does have some slop in the drive train (still less than stock Axial)
Lockers: Clamp on the axle shafts generally via set screws or a tang. They eliminate all slop in that particular spot. Downside's are must be unlocked for maintenance (a bigger deal for scx10 axles) and if a set screw comes loose, you're in 3wd or 2wd until you can open the axle and tighten them back up.
Gripfab and I had worked on a locking spool... best of both worlds.
It had the tight tolerance of a spool so you would never be in 3wd/2wd even if the set screw came loose and there was zero slop because of the set screws.
Unfortunately, he only made a very small run of them...
GodSpeed999
Quarry Creeper
Struck out with 3 LHSs on both Locked Up and Holmes. The closest, from whom I've purchased Holmes stuff before, is working on getting the HH spools but currently doesn't have a timeframe. They deal with a distributor, not direct from HH.
$9.80 or about $12.15 CDN currently just for shipping direct from Locked Up
Yay Canada.
Only in FL for one more day so even Expedited, which is still cheaper than shipping to Canada, wouldn't get here in time.
$9.80 or about $12.15 CDN currently just for shipping direct from Locked Up
Yay Canada.
Only in FL for one more day so even Expedited, which is still cheaper than shipping to Canada, wouldn't get here in time.
Struck out with 3 LHSs on both Locked Up and Holmes. The closest, from whom I've purchased Holmes stuff before, is working on getting the HH spools but currently doesn't have a timeframe. They deal with a distributor, not direct from HH.
$9.80 or about $12.15 CDN currently just for shipping direct from Locked Up
Yay Canada.
Only in FL for one more day so even Expedited, which is still cheaper than shipping to Canada, wouldn't get here in time.
Yep.
International shipping is, unfortunately, expensive on both ends for single items. Nothing we can do there unless USPS drops rates.
As I said, feel free to have your hobby shop contact us and we can get them setup. They would be able to buy in bulk to help offset some of the shipping cost.
"thumbsup"
GodSpeed999
Quarry Creeper
Look at this link for information regarding phasing. Good stuff.
I ordered HH spools btw. "thumbsup"
Hmmm. Makes sense now, BTW you want regret the HH spools just installed a set in my Wraith.
GodSpeed999
Quarry Creeper
Got my Holmes Hobbies Spools. Here's a couple of notes for others upgrading from the stock locker setup (for SCX-10....don't know enough about Wraith's etc. to know if they're the same).
- You cannot use the stock ring gear gasket. Even its minuscule thickness is too much for the bearings to fit properly in their cradles in the diff housing. It makes the [ bearing > ring gear > locker > bearing ] setup just that much too 'long' to fit squarely and snugly in the cradle
- the stock M2x10mm screws (AXA015) from the stock locker are WAY too long. You can use them and they won't hit anything, but they look a bit stupid and they might churn grease a lot if you're in the habit of loading your diff housings. I tried using M2x6mm (still a few mm longer than necessary) stainless steel screws from the Fast Eddy screw kit I bought but the heads are too big (despite being 'normal' size....the Axial ones have a very small head). The Fast Eddy heads stick out from the back side of the ring gear just enough to hit the diff housing and it won't rotate. Big problems. Wouldn't work. The Axial heads essentially counter-sink themselves into the ring gear and are flush.
Another note:
- while installing these HH Lockers, I'm also doing UD/OD gears -- Axial AX30401 & AX30402. If you look closely at these pictures, the inside diameter of the machined out portion of the OD ring gear is much smaller than on the stock or UD gear.
AX30401 overdrive gear -- see how the screw holes are nearly in the teeth in the raised portion and the machined out portion is much smaller? Stock gasket doesn't fit, even if you wanted to use it.
AX30402 underdrive gear -- holes are in the much larger machined out lower portion. Stock gasket fits perfectly, but as previously mentioned, makes the locker setup too long to fit in the cradle if using HH Spools.
- You cannot use the stock ring gear gasket. Even its minuscule thickness is too much for the bearings to fit properly in their cradles in the diff housing. It makes the [ bearing > ring gear > locker > bearing ] setup just that much too 'long' to fit squarely and snugly in the cradle
- the stock M2x10mm screws (AXA015) from the stock locker are WAY too long. You can use them and they won't hit anything, but they look a bit stupid and they might churn grease a lot if you're in the habit of loading your diff housings. I tried using M2x6mm (still a few mm longer than necessary) stainless steel screws from the Fast Eddy screw kit I bought but the heads are too big (despite being 'normal' size....the Axial ones have a very small head). The Fast Eddy heads stick out from the back side of the ring gear just enough to hit the diff housing and it won't rotate. Big problems. Wouldn't work. The Axial heads essentially counter-sink themselves into the ring gear and are flush.
Another note:
- while installing these HH Lockers, I'm also doing UD/OD gears -- Axial AX30401 & AX30402. If you look closely at these pictures, the inside diameter of the machined out portion of the OD ring gear is much smaller than on the stock or UD gear.
AX30401 overdrive gear -- see how the screw holes are nearly in the teeth in the raised portion and the machined out portion is much smaller? Stock gasket doesn't fit, even if you wanted to use it.
AX30402 underdrive gear -- holes are in the much larger machined out lower portion. Stock gasket fits perfectly, but as previously mentioned, makes the locker setup too long to fit in the cradle if using HH Spools.
Die-Laughing
RCC Addict
I have a few things to say that might be of help to someone..
I never came across the issue where the locker/spool does not fit because the ring gears are different. I understand that they are indeed different but, I believe the difference is in the teeth themselves and that all of the dimensions from the back side are the same. Axial would have to make different sized lockers to match their different ring gears if that were the case.
My lockers require aftermarket ring gears as they do not have provisions for the stock ring gears locating pins. Those pins can be ground down and removed but, I recommend upgrading out of the stock ring gear because they are a weak point.
I designed my lockers to not be used with a gasket and I believe most other aftermarket locker/spool manufactuers do as well. They also come with M2x5 mounting hardware to replace the long stock hardware.
Scx10, ax10, wraith, deadbolt, yeti (rear), etc Are all compatible with the same locker/spool typically.
I never came across the issue where the locker/spool does not fit because the ring gears are different. I understand that they are indeed different but, I believe the difference is in the teeth themselves and that all of the dimensions from the back side are the same. Axial would have to make different sized lockers to match their different ring gears if that were the case.
My lockers require aftermarket ring gears as they do not have provisions for the stock ring gears locating pins. Those pins can be ground down and removed but, I recommend upgrading out of the stock ring gear because they are a weak point.
I designed my lockers to not be used with a gasket and I believe most other aftermarket locker/spool manufactuers do as well. They also come with M2x5 mounting hardware to replace the long stock hardware.
Scx10, ax10, wraith, deadbolt, yeti (rear), etc Are all compatible with the same locker/spool typically.
Die-Laughing
RCC Addict
For a low RPM application like our crawlers, I personally don't believe it matters. I've machined some spools in-phase and some out of phase and have not seen or heard any results as to what is better.
I can see it possibly making a difference in a high speed application but, a locked steering axle in a high speed RC application is uncommon. The fastest we'll see is a U4 race truck or similar but, those are typically unlocked front differentials and if the rear is locked, they have straight axles anyways so, it definitely does not make a difference in a non-turning axle.
GodSpeed999
Quarry Creeper
Here's some photos to better show what I was trying to explain and one *CORRECTION* to something I said, along with photo evidence that I was wrong. I'll explain....
Here's how long with stock AX015 M2x10mm screws look with the Holmes Hobbies Spool. Like I said, they work, but they might churn butter and they look stupid --
Here is a comparison of the stock ring gear alongside the Axial AX30401 & AX30402 ring gears. Note the centre section differences. You cannot use the gasket with the OD gear *but you can't use it anyway with the UD gear and HH Spool due to overall length anyway (pics later)
They both work with the HH Spools and stock lockers though --
This is the length of the UD gear with the gasket installed and the HH Spool --
It's hard to tell, but it doesn't allow the bearings to fit in the diff case cradles properly --
Here's the length without the gasket --
Which allows it to fit in the diff case properly --
**Here's the CORRECTION regarding the head size of the Fast Eddy screws not working. They DO work, despite it being close**
Difference between Fast Eddy M2x6mm and Axial AX015 M2x10mm heads (and length, duh) --
How they stick out of the back of the ring gear --
But they still work in the diff housing, despite them being very close to rubbing on the case --
And lastly, how their length looks more appropriate through the HH Spool --
Here's how long with stock AX015 M2x10mm screws look with the Holmes Hobbies Spool. Like I said, they work, but they might churn butter and they look stupid --
Here is a comparison of the stock ring gear alongside the Axial AX30401 & AX30402 ring gears. Note the centre section differences. You cannot use the gasket with the OD gear *but you can't use it anyway with the UD gear and HH Spool due to overall length anyway (pics later)
They both work with the HH Spools and stock lockers though --
This is the length of the UD gear with the gasket installed and the HH Spool --
It's hard to tell, but it doesn't allow the bearings to fit in the diff case cradles properly --
Here's the length without the gasket --
Which allows it to fit in the diff case properly --
**Here's the CORRECTION regarding the head size of the Fast Eddy screws not working. They DO work, despite it being close**
Difference between Fast Eddy M2x6mm and Axial AX015 M2x10mm heads (and length, duh) --
How they stick out of the back of the ring gear --
But they still work in the diff housing, despite them being very close to rubbing on the case --
And lastly, how their length looks more appropriate through the HH Spool --
winnerone23
I wanna be Dave
Just my way.. I screwed the screw's in, with loctite and let sit.. Then I take my pliers and snap the long screw's off, that stick out..
Is it the best way to do it? Prolly not... I have noticed, they snap off cleaner then cutting them off with a dremel. They leave less off a burr.. They actually snap off pretty clean..
Is it the best way to do it? Prolly not... I have noticed, they snap off cleaner then cutting them off with a dremel. They leave less off a burr.. They actually snap off pretty clean..
GodSpeed999
Quarry Creeper
Son of a bitch....installed an axle into the spool (tight as hell) and forgot the Beef Tube. :evil:
GodSpeed999
Quarry Creeper
Got it out with a vice and not too much trouble. BTW, unlike the Locked Up spool pictured earlier in this thread, the axle hole does not go all the way through in the HH spool so I couldn't insert something in the other end and tap it out that way.
New problem. With the axle tapped all the way in to the spool, the Beef Tubes are too tight in between the spool and the outer bearing. Once the Beef Tube is screwed into the aluminum chub and axle housing, this thing won't spin.
I'm going to search the forum....
I think I'm just going to have to file some material off the Toobs. Currently they're all within a few 100th's of a mm of each other in the range of 50.64 - 50.67mm total length (which could even be attributed to the finicky digital callipers I have).
GodSpeed999
Quarry Creeper
Filed 0.6x of a mm off each of them. Perfect.
